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On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown.
thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro
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On March 28 2014 01:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown. thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro
Hmmm yeah..
Nami even acts more like the first mate rather Zoro actually.
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On March 28 2014 01:17 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:07 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown. thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro Hmmm yeah.. Nami even acts more like the first mate rather Zoro actually.
the first mate is the captains right hand, whenever he needs something done he goes to his first mate
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On March 28 2014 01:27 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:17 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:07 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown. thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro Hmmm yeah.. Nami even acts more like the first mate rather Zoro actually. the first mate is the captains right hand, whenever he needs something done he goes to his first mate
Yeah luffy doesn't do that. He basically just tells everyone to do something.
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On March 28 2014 01:29 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:17 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:07 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown. thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro Hmmm yeah.. Nami even acts more like the first mate rather Zoro actually. the first mate is the captains right hand, whenever he needs something done he goes to his first mate Yeah luffy doesn't do that. He basically just tells everyone to do something.
Luffy doesnt really micromanage the strawhats in general true they pretty much pick a goal then everyone decides how best to reach that goal as individuals
but when Luffy needed someone to take out a Tsunami who did he bring?
when Luffy went to that town place in the skull island who did he bring?
when Pica attacked who did he 100% trust?
when someone needed to die for Luffy who was it?
when discipline needed to be enforced on usopp who spoke up?
when it comes down to it Luffy trusts Zoro the most and Zoro follows through on that trust the most
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On March 28 2014 01:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:29 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:17 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:07 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 01:04 goody153 wrote:On March 28 2014 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 00:46 sc2holar wrote:On March 28 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote:
when Luffy was dead on Thriller bark who was it who sacrificed himself to get him better?
when Usopp was trying to return who was it who stopped them from just instantly accepting him back? Sanji was the first to offer to sacrifice himself. I disagreed with Zoro when it came to accepting Usopp back. Usopp risked his life to help save Robin when he didnt have to. That alone proves his loyalty and commitment to the crew. no he wasnt, Zoro fought of Kuma and lost so sacrificed himself, Sanji heard that and offered but got knocked out by Zoro wether Usopp was loyal or commited is irrelevant he still attacked the captain you cant just pretend that never happened without some sort of apology During dressrosa, id say Franky has taken the most initiatives. Sanji has done alot of heroic stuff too. Zoro has been extremley absent during the entire arc. I cant think of a single initiative he has taken except for taking on Pica. and what has Luffy done aside from get side tracked in the Colloseum? Luffy is still the captain. The captains word is the law as they say. So you can bet he'll just do whatever he wants. Despite his crew having a bad time. As what the past episodes have shown. thats not the point the argument is "Zoro doesnt act like a first mate so shouldnt be considered one" and part of the argument is his activities on dressrossa while Luffy is even worse then Zoro Hmmm yeah.. Nami even acts more like the first mate rather Zoro actually. the first mate is the captains right hand, whenever he needs something done he goes to his first mate Yeah luffy doesn't do that. He basically just tells everyone to do something. Luffy doesnt really micromanage the strawhats in general true they pretty much pick a goal then everyone decides how best to reach that goal as individuals but when Luffy needed someone to take out a Tsunami who did he bring? when Luffy went to that town place in the skull island who did he bring? when Pica attacked who did he 100% trust? when someone needed to die for Luffy who was it? when discipline needed to be enforced on usopp who spoke up? when it comes down to it Luffy trusts Zoro the most and Zoro follows through on that trust the most
Zoro is reliable if we don't talk about directions. And things need to be done that doesn't require really complex intellect since mostly nami or usopp does those shit.
Yeah i quite know what you mean. Luffy relies on zoro on the most dire situation to get things done.
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You guys did it! You reached an agreement! I never thought I'd see the day two people on this thread worked their way to a mutual agreement.
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On March 28 2014 01:52 GettingIt wrote:
You guys did it! You reached an agreement! I never thought I'd see the day two people on this thread worked their way to a mutual agreement.
Whatt !? we were arguing ? i didn't even realize that lol
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On March 28 2014 02:09 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 01:52 GettingIt wrote:
You guys did it! You reached an agreement! I never thought I'd see the day two people on this thread worked their way to a mutual agreement. Whatt !? we were arguing ? i didn't even realize that lol
Thats how into it you were :D
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About the part that Zoro doesn't laugh anymore like he used to in East Blue:
If you pay attention there are several moments throughout the series in which Zoro gets surprised by something and he scolds himself for being careless.
The first incident is when Buggy stabs him with a knife in the back.
Everytime such an incident happened he got more serious, started to train more and laughed less than before.
Nami mainly tells the crew to stop being silly(and manages the money, most of the crew would be awful at finances)
Zoro on the other hand hangs back and watches out, as a silent guardian.
Its true though that Sanji often does scout or spy work. He *still* has no proper wanted poster.
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Awesome chapter omg. I hope somehow Kyros will destroy Diamante in the arena! Sabo and Burgess are about the same level and should neutralize themselves and Bartolomeo will only care about protecting Rebecca, it may happen actually. Would be so cliché but so cool :D
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I lost my interest in Zoro. I still can't believe how he asked Mihawk to train him. It was probably one of the most stupid thing Oda ever done but w/e. Oda should've sent him Wano land instead.
Franky is the coolest nowadays.
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On March 28 2014 06:48 mavignon wrote:
Awesome chapter omg. I hope somehow Kyros will destroy Diamante in the arena! Sabo and Burgess are about the same level and should neutralize themselves and Bartolomeo will only care about protecting Rebecca, it may happen actually. Would be so cliché but so cool :D
i doubt hell go after diamante he doesnt know hes fighting Rebecca and Doflamingo is right in front of him
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On March 28 2014 08:33 Mensol wrote:
I lost my interest in Zoro. I still can't believe how he asked Mihawk to train him. It was probably one of the most stupid thing Oda ever done but w/e. Oda should've sent him Wano land instead.
Franky is the coolest nowadays.
Asking Mihawk to train him is just a way to show that how strong his determination of wanting to become stronger, and yes he is trying very hard there to the point that he kneeled before his supposedly 'arch enemy' to help him. A strong man knows what it takes to become stronger and clearly Zoro knows that.
That said, since Mihawk trained him so it will probably turn out that Mihawk is not longer his 'ultimate goal' anymore, probably there will just be a 'friendly match' between themor something like that in future.
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I doubt Mihawk's training was actual training in the sense of it being one on one training or something. I wouldn't be surprised if his training was something like how Releigh "trained" Luffy, by leaving him on that island to essentially train himself after receiving some conceptual lessons.
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On March 28 2014 08:33 Mensol wrote:
I lost my interest in Zoro. I still can't believe how he asked Mihawk to train him. It was probably one of the most stupid thing Oda ever done but w/e. Oda should've sent him Wano land instead.
Franky is the coolest nowadays.
no i think you missed the whole point. it clearly shows and also mentioned that being the strongest swordsmen is no longer zoro's goal. hes shown on multiple occasions that making luffy pirate king is his new goal and kneeling before mihawk means nothing to that, as expected of a first mate. pretty cool development if you ask me
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On March 28 2014 13:48 Yoshinaka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 08:33 Mensol wrote:
I lost my interest in Zoro. I still can't believe how he asked Mihawk to train him. It was probably one of the most stupid thing Oda ever done but w/e. Oda should've sent him Wano land instead.
Franky is the coolest nowadays. no i think you missed the whole point. it clearly shows and also mentioned that being the strongest swordsmen is no longer zoro's goal. hes shown on multiple occasions that making luffy pirate king is his new goal and kneeling before mihawk means nothing to that, as expected of a first mate. pretty cool development if you ask me
he was willing to die on Thriller Bark for Luffy his one goal is and always will be to be the number one swordsman but hes still completely loyal to Luffy
bowing to mihawk was neccesary in order to become strong enough to protect the crew just like how surrendering to kuma was nesecary to protect luffy
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I interpreted it as Zoro thinking that if he can't help his crewmates achieve their dreams, then he isn't worthy of achieving his own. I don't think its been mentioned anywhere that his goal has changed. If he has mentioned that he has a different goal, when did he say it?
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On March 28 2014 13:55 Sentenal wrote:
I interpreted it as Zoro thinking that if he can't help his crewmates achieve their dreams, then he isn't worthy of achieving his own. I don't think its been mentioned anywhere that his goal has changed. If he has mentioned that he has a different goal, when did he say it?
Well it wasn't explicitly mentioned, but based on his actions, his crewmates and stuff are just as important as his own goal of being the #1 swordsman if not more.
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