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On March 27 2014 19:53 Mataza wrote:
How can Nami be a descendant of the ancient kingdom without a D. in her name?
Unless double D bust size counts.
Just saying it is a possibility.
Remember Nojiko and Nami were found.
Its possible that Nami is not her real name.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2184-17/one-piece/chapter-77.html
On March 27 2014 19:05 sc2holar wrote:
Bellamre found nami and nojiko in Dressrosa, and Nami is actually rebeccas older sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The rubble of the town bellmare went to does vaguely resemble the town here so its possible.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/726/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2184-17/one-piece/chapter-77.html
On March 28 2014 12:47 Sentenal wrote:
I doubt Mihawk's training was actual training in the sense of it being one on one training or something. I wouldn't be surprised if his training was something like how Releigh "trained" Luffy, by leaving him on that island to essentially train himself after receiving some conceptual lessons.
^^this
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Nami cnat be from Dressrossa the time line doesnt fit unless DD took over Dressrossa almsot 20 years ago
and the marines never got involved in dressrossa
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On March 29 2014 00:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 14:38 Yoshinaka wrote:On March 28 2014 13:54 Forikorder wrote:On March 28 2014 13:48 Yoshinaka wrote:On March 28 2014 08:33 Mensol wrote:
I lost my interest in Zoro. I still can't believe how he asked Mihawk to train him. It was probably one of the most stupid thing Oda ever done but w/e. Oda should've sent him Wano land instead.
Franky is the coolest nowadays. no i think you missed the whole point. it clearly shows and also mentioned that being the strongest swordsmen is no longer zoro's goal. hes shown on multiple occasions that making luffy pirate king is his new goal and kneeling before mihawk means nothing to that, as expected of a first mate. pretty cool development if you ask me he was willing to die on Thriller Bark for Luffy his one goal is and always will be to be the number one swordsman but hes still completely loyal to Luffy bowing to mihawk was neccesary in order to become strong enough to protect the crew just like how surrendering to kuma was nesecary to protect luffy not really, sacrificing himself for luffy clearly (well for me anyway) that luffy and the crew is way more important then him achieving his own goals. you cant really become the greatest swordsmen if your dead right? that was the first pretty big clue. second was him kneeling before mihawk.i cant quote but im pretty sure mihawk said something on the lines as (" when you kneel before your enemy means you have found something more important) i think not 100% its the chapter when zoro kneels before him or maybe its "if i cant even protect them then i could never call myself the #1 swordsman even if i beat mihawk" So because Luffy is acting like a captain, Zoro cant give advice or show more personality? But I agree mostly. I wouldnt be nitpicking with minor complaints if i didnt care for it and love it so much. Damn it, ive been reading this shit for more than a decade, its like a part of me by now. There is nothing wrong with nitpicking something you love. Show nested quote +
If i had to nitpick dressrosa, id say that Doflamingo is acting wierd right now. He knows Luffy is not in the colusseum. He knows the SHs are going after Sugar, and that they also have Viola with them who can guide then wherever they need to go.
Yet he is just sitting in the room of suits and kinda reacts to what is going on without doing anything. That seems kind of wierd to me. He is built up as one of the most intelligent villains in the series, but he must be way to confident in his subordinates. But still, why not just leave law and riku for a second and hunt down the SHs before they create a huge wave of chaos?
hes got all the hostages with him and trusts his crew to handle the rest he assumes there gonna try to rescue law
But he knows that they are going after sugar. He even commented on it.
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He told Trebol to take sugar to the castle but trebol and sugar had already won their fight. One thing that has been shown is that DD 100% trusts his crew to not lose or at least knows their capabilities enough to properly gauge what they are capable of.
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actually nevermind i was looking back and i thought it was 20years ago that mingo took over but apparently not.
But then again that does not discredit the first point.
And the marines may or may not have actually gotten involved.
Vergo is the type of person that would send marines to their death to prove a point. Vergo did accept the dressrosa case. We just don't know if he acted on it at all.
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On March 29 2014 01:25 shark. wrote:
He told Trebol to take sugar to the castle but trebol and sugar had already won their fight. One thing that has been shown is that DD 100% trusts his crew to not lose or at least knows their capabilities enough to properly gauge what they are capable of.
And to be fair his trust isn't misplaced. I mean Usopp, Robin and Franky all got owned pretty hard and since he is so smart he guess that Luffy and Zoro would come after him. He also knows that the rest of the crew isn't sticking around Dressrosa since he saw them run away as per Law's order. There was just no way for him to predict Usopp's eyes and tongue popping out like that causing Sugar to pass out from shock.
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Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do.
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On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do.
I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times.
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On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times.
and sent more dudes down there too who didnt make it in time the old dude lao G or whatever his name was was supposed to be there and the kid who almost killed Bellamy was heading there IIRC
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On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times.
http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpg
Doffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them.
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On March 29 2014 14:45 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times. http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpgDoffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them.
Thats interesting. Maybe he doesn't know that the dwarfs know about Sugar's abilities. I forgot how they found out in the first place was it because Toy Soldier told them? He probably should have made a more serious effort to find Toy Solider.
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On March 29 2014 17:40 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 14:45 sc2holar wrote:On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times. http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpgDoffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them. Thats interesting. Maybe he doesn't know that the dwarfs know about Sugar's abilities. I forgot how they found out in the first place was it because Toy Soldier told them? He probably should have made a more serious effort to find Toy Solider.
He didn't remember who Toy Soldier was. Sugar's ability is a double edged sword.
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On March 29 2014 17:52 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 17:40 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 14:45 sc2holar wrote:On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times. http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpgDoffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them. Thats interesting. Maybe he doesn't know that the dwarfs know about Sugar's abilities. I forgot how they found out in the first place was it because Toy Soldier told them? He probably should have made a more serious effort to find Toy Solider. He didn't remember who Toy Soldier was. Sugar's ability is a double edged sword.
Yeah, such an ability is awesome for storytelling because it can backfire 
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So is sugar the only person to actually remember all the people she transformed into toys?
I never actually though about that Doffy and all the bad guys have forgotten about Kyros & co as well.
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Yeah, I am curious if Sugar even remember them after she transforms them?
Another questionn I have is for situations like Curos especially. Can she reqrite the rules they have to follow like say, don't harm Luffy assuming she changed sides for example. And if she does that, would that change the toy into another toy and would everyone else forget about the previous toy form?
Just curious. =)
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On March 29 2014 17:52 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 17:40 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 14:45 sc2holar wrote:On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times. http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpgDoffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them. Thats interesting. Maybe he doesn't know that the dwarfs know about Sugar's abilities. I forgot how they found out in the first place was it because Toy Soldier told them? He probably should have made a more serious effort to find Toy Solider. He didn't remember who Toy Soldier was. Sugar's ability is a double edged sword.
He doesn't remember who Kyros is, but he should still remember Toy Soldier.
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On March 29 2014 20:14 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 17:52 Incognoto wrote:On March 29 2014 17:40 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 14:45 sc2holar wrote:On March 29 2014 10:41 GettingIt wrote:On March 29 2014 10:06 BlackMagister wrote:
Donflamingo didn't calculate Luffy would come after him he anticipated that Luffy would be in the arena fighting for the DF and he would have been correct if it were not for Sabo. DD did not foresee the Strawhats attacking Sugar since he thought her location was safe, Trebol was strong enough to defeat Usopp, Robin and the Dwarves, but ideally Sugar would never have been in danger at all. DD said he wasn't underestimating the Strawhats because many previous leaders did to their own downfall and he didn't, but he just couldn't predict all the things they would do. I mean he did predict Luffy coming after him once he found out he wasn't in the stadium. And I'm pretty sure he did predict them going after Sugar since he knows they're after the factory, but at any rate he has Trebol guarding her at all times. http://i30.mangapanda.com/one-piece/740/one-piece-4826705.jpgDoffy knows that they are going after sugar by now, but he was genuinley surprised when he found out because he never expected the SHs to find out the truth about the Toys or the true history of the Kingdom. The next panel we see him after the one i linked, he wrongly suspects that King Riku told them. Thats interesting. Maybe he doesn't know that the dwarfs know about Sugar's abilities. I forgot how they found out in the first place was it because Toy Soldier told them? He probably should have made a more serious effort to find Toy Solider. He didn't remember who Toy Soldier was. Sugar's ability is a double edged sword. He doesn't remember who Kyros is, but he should still remember Toy Soldier.
My point is that he's doing to underestimate big shots because he can't associate weak toys with the actually very strong dudes who are the toys. He'd take Toy Soldier way more seriously if he realized it was Kyros, yet he has forgotten about Kyros, hence he just disregards him as an annoying nuisance, when he's a very legitimate threat. The same could be said about the toys who are currently imprisoned. Doflamingo literally has an army of very strong enemies he has to deal with now, that he just forgot about.
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True.. if they get released now, he will have many fathers, sons, wifes of his own people but also so many strong fighters, pirates, captains, marines and even kings..
This is going to backfire bigtime and the SH's will gain much respect and many many followers/allies..
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Yeah, this Arc might even earn the SHs some gratitude from the WG. It would be cool if luffy was asked by the Gorosei to take up Doffys vacant Shichibukai spot or something. I would not be surprised if luffy is asked to become a warlord at some point in the manga, but he would turn it down without hestitation. Just like Ace.
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On March 29 2014 21:37 sc2holar wrote:
Yeah, this Arc might even earn the SHs some gratitude from the WG. It would be cool if luffy was asked by the Gorosei to take up Doffys vacant Shichibukai spot or something. I would not be surprised if luffy is asked to become a warlord at some point in the manga, but he would turn it down without hestitation. Just like Ace.
Naw they would never ask Luffy. He's done too many things against them directly for them to ask him to be on their side, declaring war on them and raiding enies lobby, Breaking in and out of Impel Down and most importantly punching a tenryuubito. Of course he would also instantly say no and I think they would know that as well. So I disagree I don't think they would ever ask him to be a Shichibukai.
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