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[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
October 19 2013 21:43 GMT
#10821
On October 20 2013 04:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This just in: Blackbeard is Wolverine

This just in: DD is Spiderman
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 19 2013 21:46 GMT
#10822
Interesting I never thought of it that way because I don't really think Roger gave Whitebeard a "wound" because they seemed more like rival or competetive friends. Could certainly be true though.

Personally I still think he talks about Blackbeard.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
October 19 2013 21:48 GMT
#10823
On October 20 2013 04:41 Incognoto wrote:
Ok, good discussion everyone. Next question:

Who is "that man"? Mihawk or Blackbeard ?

http://i33.mangapanda.com/one-piece/434/one-piece-63467.jpg

It's Roger.

At that point in that chapter Whitebeard does not yet know it's Blackbeard who inflicted the scars on Shank's face, so he can't be refering to either the scars or Blackbeard (because why would Shank's face remind anyone of Blackbeard?).
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
October 19 2013 22:58 GMT
#10824
On October 20 2013 06:48 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 04:41 Incognoto wrote:
Ok, good discussion everyone. Next question:

Who is "that man"? Mihawk or Blackbeard ?

http://i33.mangapanda.com/one-piece/434/one-piece-63467.jpg

It's Roger.

At that point in that chapter Whitebeard does not yet know it's Blackbeard who inflicted the scars on Shank's face, so he can't be refering to either the scars or Blackbeard (because why would Shank's face remind anyone of Blackbeard?).

Because Blackbeard used three fanged claws in the past and shanks has 3 scar lines on his face.
Supposedly Whitebeard knows how Blackbeard fought in the past.

This may be wrong, but a reasonable way to think. I repeat: I do not think this is true.
+ Show Spoiler +
I can already see in my mind, how somebody is going to tell me this is wrong. I know that. Because right afterwards Shanks tells WB who gave him that scar.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
October 20 2013 02:42 GMT
#10825
On October 20 2013 05:07 shark. wrote:
As I said before it is impossible to Debate whether or not Buggy is affected by haki strikes as we have not been shown absolute proof. To say that Mihawk wasn't using Haki despite knowing Luffy is a DF user and saying that he would go all out would be stupid. Yet given Buggy's DF was working as normal would show otherwise. Given the small glimpse into Haki we have been given we simply don't have enough info to possibly have a decent discussion about a topic such as Buggy etc. All we know is that Haki can be used to negate DF's to point where the user can still use his abilities but an opponent can by pass them given enough skill. Logias have been explained and we have been shown that paramecias can also be harmed but the nature of the strike being dealt also seems to play a huge impact onto the result.


I only want to talk about the Buggy and Haki thing. How would it affect him? He seperates his body. Does it mean you think he has some sort of connection between the splitting and with Haki you could in fact tie them up orsomething?

Haki enhanced attack/defence is like a waterblanket against fire, you can use it to cover yourself or to put out the fire. It doesn't allow you to make them unable to use their ability. It only allows you to punch through their DF and straight up damage their real bodies. So I'm not exactly sure why Haki would be really that detremental against Buggy unless ofcourse Buggy tries to fight but doesn't know how to use Haki against a Haki which would be bad for him as his punches wouldn't hurt really as much.
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
October 20 2013 03:01 GMT
#10826
new anime episode
+ Show Spoiler +
one again they make luffy looker weaker then he really is -_-
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
October 20 2013 03:38 GMT
#10827
On October 20 2013 12:01 i am plus wrote:
new anime episode
+ Show Spoiler +
one again they make luffy looker weaker then he really is -_-

How so? The anime is supposed to follow the manga to the letter (though it sometimes expands at places due to Oda wanting to add stuff).

And why are you spoilering something that happened 1.5 years ago?
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
October 20 2013 07:17 GMT
#10828
On October 20 2013 12:38 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 12:01 i am plus wrote:
new anime episode
+ Show Spoiler +
one again they make luffy looker weaker then he really is -_-

How so? The anime is supposed to follow the manga to the letter (though it sometimes expands at places due to Oda wanting to add stuff).

And why are you spoilering something that happened 1.5 years ago?

Simple, anime tries to make a 30 minute episode out of 5 minutes worth of content. It needs to extend everything, including fights. This means Luffy doesn't manhandle people in a few hits. It's why Hody actually gave Luffy trouble in the anime.
####
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8771 Posts
October 20 2013 08:20 GMT
#10829
On October 20 2013 11:42 Sableyeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 05:07 shark. wrote:
As I said before it is impossible to Debate whether or not Buggy is affected by haki strikes as we have not been shown absolute proof. To say that Mihawk wasn't using Haki despite knowing Luffy is a DF user and saying that he would go all out would be stupid. Yet given Buggy's DF was working as normal would show otherwise. Given the small glimpse into Haki we have been given we simply don't have enough info to possibly have a decent discussion about a topic such as Buggy etc. All we know is that Haki can be used to negate DF's to point where the user can still use his abilities but an opponent can by pass them given enough skill. Logias have been explained and we have been shown that paramecias can also be harmed but the nature of the strike being dealt also seems to play a huge impact onto the result.


I only want to talk about the Buggy and Haki thing. How would it affect him? He seperates his body. Does it mean you think he has some sort of connection between the splitting and with Haki you could in fact tie them up orsomething?

Haki enhanced attack/defence is like a waterblanket against fire, you can use it to cover yourself or to put out the fire. It doesn't allow you to make them unable to use their ability. It only allows you to punch through their DF and straight up damage their real bodies. So I'm not exactly sure why Haki would be really that detremental against Buggy unless ofcourse Buggy tries to fight but doesn't know how to use Haki against a Haki which would be bad for him as his punches wouldn't hurt really as much.

consider buggy's df to be a logia. his body splits against swords exactly the same way logias do. if haki imbued attacks can cut logias then its safe to assume buggy could get cut too.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 20 2013 08:33 GMT
#10830
On October 20 2013 17:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 11:42 Sableyeah wrote:
On October 20 2013 05:07 shark. wrote:
As I said before it is impossible to Debate whether or not Buggy is affected by haki strikes as we have not been shown absolute proof. To say that Mihawk wasn't using Haki despite knowing Luffy is a DF user and saying that he would go all out would be stupid. Yet given Buggy's DF was working as normal would show otherwise. Given the small glimpse into Haki we have been given we simply don't have enough info to possibly have a decent discussion about a topic such as Buggy etc. All we know is that Haki can be used to negate DF's to point where the user can still use his abilities but an opponent can by pass them given enough skill. Logias have been explained and we have been shown that paramecias can also be harmed but the nature of the strike being dealt also seems to play a huge impact onto the result.


I only want to talk about the Buggy and Haki thing. How would it affect him? He seperates his body. Does it mean you think he has some sort of connection between the splitting and with Haki you could in fact tie them up orsomething?

Haki enhanced attack/defence is like a waterblanket against fire, you can use it to cover yourself or to put out the fire. It doesn't allow you to make them unable to use their ability. It only allows you to punch through their DF and straight up damage their real bodies. So I'm not exactly sure why Haki would be really that detremental against Buggy unless ofcourse Buggy tries to fight but doesn't know how to use Haki against a Haki which would be bad for him as his punches wouldn't hurt really as much.

consider buggy's df to be a logia. his body splits against swords exactly the same way logias do. if haki imbued attacks can cut logias then its safe to assume buggy could get cut too.

Buggy is not a Logia. Your logic is baseless and faulty.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8771 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 09:02:56
October 20 2013 09:02 GMT
#10831
On October 20 2013 17:33 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 17:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On October 20 2013 11:42 Sableyeah wrote:
On October 20 2013 05:07 shark. wrote:
As I said before it is impossible to Debate whether or not Buggy is affected by haki strikes as we have not been shown absolute proof. To say that Mihawk wasn't using Haki despite knowing Luffy is a DF user and saying that he would go all out would be stupid. Yet given Buggy's DF was working as normal would show otherwise. Given the small glimpse into Haki we have been given we simply don't have enough info to possibly have a decent discussion about a topic such as Buggy etc. All we know is that Haki can be used to negate DF's to point where the user can still use his abilities but an opponent can by pass them given enough skill. Logias have been explained and we have been shown that paramecias can also be harmed but the nature of the strike being dealt also seems to play a huge impact onto the result.


I only want to talk about the Buggy and Haki thing. How would it affect him? He seperates his body. Does it mean you think he has some sort of connection between the splitting and with Haki you could in fact tie them up orsomething?

Haki enhanced attack/defence is like a waterblanket against fire, you can use it to cover yourself or to put out the fire. It doesn't allow you to make them unable to use their ability. It only allows you to punch through their DF and straight up damage their real bodies. So I'm not exactly sure why Haki would be really that detremental against Buggy unless ofcourse Buggy tries to fight but doesn't know how to use Haki against a Haki which would be bad for him as his punches wouldn't hurt really as much.

consider buggy's df to be a logia. his body splits against swords exactly the same way logias do. if haki imbued attacks can cut logias then its safe to assume buggy could get cut too.

Buggy is not a Logia. Your logic is baseless and faulty.

no it isnt. his body reacts exactly the same way logias do against sword attacks. against swordsmen he is no different than a logia so theres no reason for people to assume his body is immune to all sword attacks even with haki
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
October 20 2013 09:37 GMT
#10832
On October 20 2013 18:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 17:33 Sentenal wrote:
On October 20 2013 17:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On October 20 2013 11:42 Sableyeah wrote:
On October 20 2013 05:07 shark. wrote:
As I said before it is impossible to Debate whether or not Buggy is affected by haki strikes as we have not been shown absolute proof. To say that Mihawk wasn't using Haki despite knowing Luffy is a DF user and saying that he would go all out would be stupid. Yet given Buggy's DF was working as normal would show otherwise. Given the small glimpse into Haki we have been given we simply don't have enough info to possibly have a decent discussion about a topic such as Buggy etc. All we know is that Haki can be used to negate DF's to point where the user can still use his abilities but an opponent can by pass them given enough skill. Logias have been explained and we have been shown that paramecias can also be harmed but the nature of the strike being dealt also seems to play a huge impact onto the result.


I only want to talk about the Buggy and Haki thing. How would it affect him? He seperates his body. Does it mean you think he has some sort of connection between the splitting and with Haki you could in fact tie them up orsomething?

Haki enhanced attack/defence is like a waterblanket against fire, you can use it to cover yourself or to put out the fire. It doesn't allow you to make them unable to use their ability. It only allows you to punch through their DF and straight up damage their real bodies. So I'm not exactly sure why Haki would be really that detremental against Buggy unless ofcourse Buggy tries to fight but doesn't know how to use Haki against a Haki which would be bad for him as his punches wouldn't hurt really as much.

consider buggy's df to be a logia. his body splits against swords exactly the same way logias do. if haki imbued attacks can cut logias then its safe to assume buggy could get cut too.

Buggy is not a Logia. Your logic is baseless and faulty.

no it isnt. his body reacts exactly the same way logias do against sword attacks. against swordsmen he is no different than a logia so theres no reason for people to assume his body is immune to all sword attacks even with haki

We just cant know. What if it doesnt matter if he splits himself or gets sliced up? What would happen if law sliced him up, could he reassemble himself? Theres just no way to know and the discussion is useless imho.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 20 2013 09:38 GMT
#10833
^ But Buggy is no Logia and his body doesn't split automatically, he chooses how to split each part.
Revolutionist fan
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
October 20 2013 10:26 GMT
#10834
On October 20 2013 18:38 Salteador Neo wrote:
^ But Buggy is no Logia and his body doesn't split automatically, he chooses how to split each part.


He does an awesome job at splitting his body tho.
In Impel Down, he splitted his feet from a long distance without looking at them - but it's possible I need to read once again to be sure I'm not saying bullshit.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 20 2013 11:13 GMT
#10835
In a Buggy-vs-Law situation, I´m fairly sure that Buggy would still be able to control his separated bodyparts, and reassemble depending on the situation. In that way Buggy would be the counter to Law. Laws haki and combat experience might/would still give him the win though.
:3
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
October 20 2013 13:27 GMT
#10836
That wouldnt stop Law from taking his heart and simply stomping that tho, so i wouldnt really call it a counter.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 20 2013 14:48 GMT
#10837
On October 20 2013 22:27 freewareplayer wrote:
That wouldnt stop Law from taking his heart and simply stomping that tho, so i wouldnt really call it a counter.

Law would probably still win, being a supernova and a Shichibukai, but he will have more trouble with Buggy than Buggys strength would suggest. Consider what he did to Vergo, buggy would just reassemble himself. Laws signature move of disabling an enemy by scrambling their bodyparts wouldn´t work, so he would have to try something new.

Their abilities have more similarities. Buggy mentioned that he can fly with his bodyparts only if they are within a specific range from his feet, similar to how Law controls things within his Room.
:3
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 20 2013 15:15 GMT
#10838
On October 20 2013 22:27 freewareplayer wrote:
That wouldnt stop Law from taking his heart and simply stomping that tho, so i wouldnt really call it a counter.

unless he can freely control his heart and pull it away from law
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 16:15:58
October 20 2013 16:13 GMT
#10839
We have already seen that he cant pull stuff away thats being held down. Law would have a field day with Buggy or anyone else without strong haki.

@furumite you quoted my sentence, yet didnt read it? He doesnt need to do something new. Take his heart = gg wp. He did that to multiple people including smoker who even has Haki. If Buggy learned Haki till now is questionable.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 20 2013 16:40 GMT
#10840
On October 21 2013 01:13 freewareplayer wrote:
We have already seen that he cant pull stuff away thats being held down. Law would have a field day with Buggy or anyone else without strong haki.

@furumite you quoted my sentence, yet didnt read it? He doesnt need to do something new. Take his heart = gg wp. He did that to multiple people including smoker who even has Haki. If Buggy learned Haki till now is questionable.

if law gets his hand on the heart then he may not be able to but before Law can he may be
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