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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On October 17 2013 20:00 []Phase[] wrote: Wait, what happened to Bellamy again? Does that count as a potential seperate storyline/event? Maybe he saved luffy from the same ending, as other fighters?  That will be nice. Then there is bertolomeo too not ended up in the toy pit. Zoro and the samurai is outside the arena.Haha, I can only imagine right now.. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:09 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Maybe he saved luffy from the same ending, as other fighters? That will be nice. Then there is bertolomeo too not ended up in the toy pit. Zoro and the samurai is outside the arena.Haha, I can only imagine right now.. Why would they need to be saved from the pit? They're winners of their groups. They still have an upcoming fight. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 18 2013 08:23 PVJ wrote: So, does anyone think that Dinosaur will be something else than Drake? I have a feeling that that solution would be too easy. Along with all the other clues, the dinosaur has the same haircut as post timeskip drake. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:09 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Maybe he saved luffy from the same ending, as other fighters? That will be nice. Then there is bertolomeo too not ended up in the toy pit. Zoro and the samurai is outside the arena.Haha, I can only imagine right now.. Only the losers get sent down to the pit. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:57 Sentenal wrote: Only the losers get sent down to the pit. Ah, sorry , I missed that one. I thought that is resting area or something. kkk | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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shark.
593 Posts
On October 19 2013 05:23 Incognoto wrote: Does Haki counteract Buggy's Bara Bara No Mi? We haven't been shown anything to show that it does. Mihawk Failed to cut him during the Marineford war while attempting to stop luffy so it could be assumed that Buggy isn't affected by haki yet it would be impossible to argue either way. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
On October 19 2013 05:23 Incognoto wrote: Does Haki counteract Buggy's Bara Bara No Mi? Buggy is a Paramecia, the same as Luffy. Haki attacks on Luffy negate his rubber. It would be assumed that haki attacks to actually hit Buggy would negate his bara bara fruit; however, we haven't seen it happen yet. I guess Mihawk didn't bother to put haki into his attacks against Buggy. As long as Buggy pre-splits to avoid attacks, he should be safe even against haki. With proper training and backed up with some haki attacks of his own, his fruit could be very powerful. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On October 19 2013 05:31 shark. wrote: We haven't been shown anything to show that it does. Mihawk Failed to cut him during the Marineford war while attempting to stop luffy so it could be assumed that Buggy isn't affected by haki yet it would be impossible to argue either way. I'd argue that Mihawk didn't bother using haki on Buggy because he was a much of a threat as an ant in the grass. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On October 19 2013 05:56 RenSC2 wrote: Buggy is a Paramecia, the same as Luffy. Haki attacks on Luffy negate his rubber. It would be assumed that haki attacks to actually hit Buggy would negate his bara bara fruit; however, we haven't seen it happen yet. I guess Mihawk didn't bother to put haki into his attacks against Buggy. As long as Buggy pre-splits to avoid attacks, he should be safe even against haki. With proper training and backed up with some haki attacks of his own, his fruit could be very powerful. Haki isn't kairouseki/seastone. Haki allows you to hurt Logia fruit users, but nowhere is it said that any df powers get negated by haki. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On October 19 2013 10:10 Mataza wrote: Haki isn't kairouseki/seastone. Haki allows you to hurt Logia fruit users, but nowhere is it said that any df powers get negated by haki. Not just logia all df's get hurt by haki. It just doesn't negate the ability. Luffy is supposed to basically be immune to physical blows but. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-56928-13/one-piece/chapter-597.html | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 19 2013 10:10 Mataza wrote: Haki isn't kairouseki/seastone. Haki allows you to hurt Logia fruit users, but nowhere is it said that any df powers get negated by haki. Haki allows you to hit an opponent regardless of their fruit abilities, but you still need to actually be able to hit them. Monet vs Tashigi is a great example of this. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Whether Luffy got hurt because haki was used or simply because Rayleigh was just that much stronger than him is not clear to me. If it did, then it would on the other hand mean that Mihawk for no apparent reason didn't strike with haki when Luffy used Buggy as a shield during marineford. Or possibly that Buggy has lightning reflexes that let him counteract the movement of Mihawks sword immediately after Luffy grabbed him(Buggy) by surprise. Putting these side by side, until I see someone not being able to use his paramecia df powers because of haki I will stand by my point. Attacks with Haki (may) hurt more than regular attacks, but they are not (yet) shown to injure more than regular attacks. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 19 2013 10:37 Mataza wrote: Luffy said he was hurt, which I do remember. But Rayleigh was also way stronger than Luffy at that point and the first competent haki user. Whether Luffy got hurt because haki was used or simply because Rayleigh was just that much stronger than him is not clear to me. If it did, then it would on the other hand mean that Mihawk for no apparent reason didn't strike with haki when Luffy used Buggy as a shield during marineford. Or possibly that Buggy has lightning reflexes that let him counteract the movement of Mihawks sword immediately after Luffy grabbed him(Buggy) by surprise. Putting these side by side, until I see someone not being able to use his paramecia df powers because of haki I will stand by my point. Attacks with Haki (may) hurt more than regular attacks, but they are not (yet) shown to injure more than regular attacks. Mihawk didn't use haki because: - He didn't think he needed to vs Luffy - Even if he knew Luffy was going to use Buggy as a shield, he wouldn't think he needed to vs Buggy either And even ignoring those two points, he clearly didn't care that much about the marines winning the war. He was just there fighting because it was required of him, doesn't mean he had to actually try. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On October 19 2013 10:18 terranghost wrote: Not just logia all df's get hurt by haki. It just doesn't negate the ability. Luffy is supposed to basically be immune to physical blows but. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-56928-13/one-piece/chapter-597.html It goes even way back: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2538-18/one-piece/chapter-431.html Even sanji knows that luffy is immune to physical blows! And of course he is, if he can reflect bullets he can also reflect regular punches. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
Luffy's paramecia power of rubber doesn't help you avoid attacks, i.e. the haki-infused attack still lands on him doing the damage ("it hurts even though I'm rubber" seems to imply it's not negated per se). Buggy's paramecia power avoids the cutting attack all-together by design, which I'd recon would mean it doesn't matter if it's haki-infused or not. Atleast that's the theory. Now attack Buggy with a haki-infused punch instead and you'd get the same effect as punching any other DF user. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 19 2013 11:45 sumsaR wrote: The base question is whether or not a haki-infused attack would negate the effect of someone's DF power or that it only allows them to be damaged (where the non-haki-infused attack would be ineffective). Buggy's specific power is that he cannot be cut, which technically isn't the same as a Logia's ability to 'be an element' and therefore negate attacks by having it pass through you. Luffy's paramecia power of rubber doesn't help you avoid attacks, i.e. the haki-infused attack still lands on him doing the damage ("it hurts even though I'm rubber" seems to imply it's not negated per se). Buggy's paramecia power avoids the cutting attack all-together by design, which I'd recon would mean it doesn't matter if it's haki-infused or not. Atleast that's the theory. Now attack Buggy with a haki-infused punch instead and you'd get the same effect as punching any other DF user. Buggy's power, the Bara Bara no Mi (which makes him a 'spliting human'), is to allow him to split up into parts. So his power is splitting, specifically. Him being unable to be cut is a side effect of that power. Since he can split, any cut inflicted on him is just him being split, and he can put himself back together/be otherwise unaffected. So with Buggy, I think its less that he "can't be cut", and more like "cutting doesn't affect him because it does what his power already does". And since haki doesn't actually cancel out Devil Fruits, if someone cuts Buggy with a haki attack, hes still getting split, and he still controls himself while split, so I don't think it would do any damage. We can only speculate so much about what ifs, but Mihawk was unable to do it for whatever reason, so.... We know Haki gives form to fluid Logia users to allow you to hit them, so I imagine its the same deal with Luffy. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On October 19 2013 12:02 Sentenal wrote: Buggy's power, the Bara Bara no Mi (which makes him a 'spliting human'), is to allow him to split up into parts. So his power is splitting, specifically. Him being unable to be cut is a side effect of that power. Since he can split, any cut inflicted on him is just him being split, and he can put himself back together/be otherwise unaffected. So with Buggy, I think its less that he "can't be cut", and more like "cutting doesn't affect him because it does what his power already does". And since haki doesn't actually cancel out Devil Fruits, if someone cuts Buggy with a haki attack, hes still getting split, and he still controls himself while split, so I don't think it would do any damage. We can only speculate so much about what ifs, but Mihawk was unable to do it for whatever reason, so.... We know Haki gives form to fluid Logia users to allow you to hit them, so I imagine its the same deal with Luffy. Only thing I have a gripe about for your post is you used Mihawk as an example. I severely doubt Mihawk bothered using Haki against Buggy for the couple seconds they fought. He probably just threw some slashes at him (powerful ones albeit) but not Haki imbuened ones. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 19 2013 12:02 Sentenal wrote: Buggy's power, the Bara Bara no Mi (which makes him a 'spliting human'), is to allow him to split up into parts. So his power is splitting, specifically. Him being unable to be cut is a side effect of that power. Since he can split, any cut inflicted on him is just him being split, and he can put himself back together/be otherwise unaffected. So with Buggy, I think its less that he "can't be cut", and more like "cutting doesn't affect him because it does what his power already does". And since haki doesn't actually cancel out Devil Fruits, if someone cuts Buggy with a haki attack, hes still getting split, and he still controls himself while split, so I don't think it would do any damage. We can only speculate so much about what ifs, but Mihawk was unable to do it for whatever reason, so.... We know Haki gives form to fluid Logia users to allow you to hit them, so I imagine its the same deal with Luffy. I don't really agree with this. Busoshoku Haki allows your attack to bypass the powers of a Devil Fruit, touching the "substantial body" (as the wiki puts it). A Haki imbued slice should really cut Buggy and actually harm him. If Buggy split around the attack, say using Haoshoku Haki, sure he'd be fine, but if he took the attack he'd be really cut, not simply split. | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On October 19 2013 12:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't really agree with this. Busoshoku Haki allows your attack to bypass the powers of a Devil Fruit, touching the "substantial body" (as the wiki puts it). A Haki imbued slice should really cut Buggy and actually harm him. If Buggy split around the attack, say using Haoshoku Haki, sure he'd be fine, but if he took the attack he'd be really cut, not simply split. Akainu got a deep cut through his neck by someone using haki and was able to fuse back together though. http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v59/c574/8.html | ||
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