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On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote: oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.
so a character can never lie or be wrong?
i think everyone should be a bit more careful
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote: oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.
so a character can never lie or be wrong?
i think everyone should be a bit more careful
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote: oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.
so a character can never lie or be wrong?
i think everyone should be a bit more careful
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
Yes he is
yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it
First, I've seen an error often enough that it can no longer just be a typo: Whitebread is a type of food you eat and Blackbread is a type of food you throw away unless very desperate. Whitebeard or Blackbeard is a description of facial hair and also the name of pirates in One Piece (and actual history for Blackbeard).
Second, I think eventually we'll find out that a Logia user has his physical essence in only a part of his entire logia body. Armament Haki allows a user to damage logia, but still doesn't help you know where a logia user's physical essence is and you will often just slice through ice/magma/smoke anyways and miss the body. A well trained logia user, like an admiral, will have very good control over where his physical essence is and hide it well, but a lower ranked guy like Smoker hasn't developed that skill yet.
I think this would explain why a haki imbued attack from Whitebeard did not hurt Akioji despite Whitebeard presumably having stronger haki. It would also explain why Vista and Marco did not cause any damage to Akainu despite cutting him with their attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's attack caused serious damage to Smoker because he must have hit the physical essence of Smoker with a haki imbued attack.
Third, this last chapter was a little below average for One Piece. There seems to be a whole lot of fodder introductions that seemed unnecessary. I think most of them are there just to show how big of a badass Luffy has become, but I'd rather that he show his badassery against Doflamingo's crew or Burgess/Cavendish/Bartolomeo when the time comes. I assume that some of the characters may eventually come back to play semi-important roles later in the series, but I don't feel like all will and some could have been skipped. Perhaps I'll yet be surprised. Maybe the whole arena of fighters will turn against Doflamingo after he screws over Luffy.
First, I've seen an error often enough that it can no longer just be a typo: Whitebread is a type of food you eat and Blackbread is a type of food you throw away unless very desperate. Whitebeard or Blackbeard is a description of facial hair and also the name of pirates in One Piece (and actual history for Blackbeard).
its not at all wierd on internet forums for two letters to be switched every now and then
Second, I think eventually we'll find out that a Logia user has his physical essence in only a part of his entire logia body. Armament Haki allows a user to damage logia, but still doesn't help you know where a logia user's physical essence is and you will often just slice through ice/magma/smoke anyways and miss the body. A well trained logia user, like an admiral, will have very good control over where his physical essence is and hide it well, but a lower ranked guy like Smoker hasn't developed that skill yet
extremely unlikely, much more likely is a skilled Logia user can pre-split his body (like how Buggy dodges Luffys attacks)
Man is there anyone else that really wants to see more of Sentomaru? He my favorite marine because he looks really unique with not only his size and shape but his attire. Also he is pretty young compared to most of the New World marine and has shown respect for the Strawhats.It takes a special man to be Vegapunks body guard after all.
On July 20 2013 14:03 RenSC2 wrote: First, I've seen an error often enough that it can no longer just be a typo: Whitebread is a type of food you eat and Blackbread is a type of food you throw away unless very desperate. Whitebeard or Blackbeard is a description of facial hair and also the name of pirates in One Piece (and actual history for Blackbeard).
Second, I think eventually we'll find out that a Logia user has his physical essence in only a part of his entire logia body. Armament Haki allows a user to damage logia, but still doesn't help you know where a logia user's physical essence is and you will often just slice through ice/magma/smoke anyways and miss the body. A well trained logia user, like an admiral, will have very good control over where his physical essence is and hide it well, but a lower ranked guy like Smoker hasn't developed that skill yet.
I think this would explain why a haki imbued attack from Whitebeard did not hurt Akioji despite Whitebeard presumably having stronger haki. It would also explain why Vista and Marco did not cause any damage to Akainu despite cutting him with their attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's attack caused serious damage to Smoker because he must have hit the physical essence of Smoker with a haki imbued attack.
Third, this last chapter was a little below average for One Piece. There seems to be a whole lot of fodder introductions that seemed unnecessary. I think most of them are there just to show how big of a badass Luffy has become, but I'd rather that he show his badassery against Doflamingo's crew or Burgess/Cavendish/Bartolomeo when the time comes. I assume that some of the characters may eventually come back to play semi-important roles later in the series, but I don't feel like all will and some could have been skipped. Perhaps I'll yet be surprised. Maybe the whole arena of fighters will turn against Doflamingo after he screws over Luffy.
You forget that a point blank tremor ball from whitebeard pretty much shatters the victims entire body, when he did it to akainu it was demonstrated by showing cracks across akainus entire body. So wherever he would have "hid" this life essence that you talk about, it would have been damaged. Akainu WAS injured in that fight, btw.
secondly, we have already briefly learned the nature of Busoshoku Haki and how it works. Rayleight never mentioned anything about hiding life essences.
On July 20 2013 14:29 GettingIt wrote: Man is there anyone else that really wants to see more of Sentomaru? He my favorite marine because he looks really unique with not only his size and shape but his attire. Also he is pretty young compared to most of the New World marine and has shown respect for the Strawhats.It takes a special man to be Vegapunks body guard after all.
exactly my thoughts!^^ Was just rewatching the anime episode after the timeskip yesterday and really liked how Sento showed respect for Luffy when he smashed that fake dude :D
On July 20 2013 14:03 RenSC2 wrote: First, I've seen an error often enough that it can no longer just be a typo: Whitebread is a type of food you eat and Blackbread is a type of food you throw away unless very desperate. Whitebeard or Blackbeard is a description of facial hair and also the name of pirates in One Piece (and actual history for Blackbeard).
Second, I think eventually we'll find out that a Logia user has his physical essence in only a part of his entire logia body. Armament Haki allows a user to damage logia, but still doesn't help you know where a logia user's physical essence is and you will often just slice through ice/magma/smoke anyways and miss the body. A well trained logia user, like an admiral, will have very good control over where his physical essence is and hide it well, but a lower ranked guy like Smoker hasn't developed that skill yet.
I think this would explain why a haki imbued attack from Whitebeard did not hurt Akioji despite Whitebeard presumably having stronger haki. It would also explain why Vista and Marco did not cause any damage to Akainu despite cutting him with their attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's attack caused serious damage to Smoker because he must have hit the physical essence of Smoker with a haki imbued attack.
Third, this last chapter was a little below average for One Piece. There seems to be a whole lot of fodder introductions that seemed unnecessary. I think most of them are there just to show how big of a badass Luffy has become, but I'd rather that he show his badassery against Doflamingo's crew or Burgess/Cavendish/Bartolomeo when the time comes. I assume that some of the characters may eventually come back to play semi-important roles later in the series, but I don't feel like all will and some could have been skipped. Perhaps I'll yet be surprised. Maybe the whole arena of fighters will turn against Doflamingo after he screws over Luffy.
You forget that a point blank tremor ball from whitebeard pretty much shatters the victims entire body, when he did it to akainu it was demonstrated by showing cracks across akainus entire body. So wherever he would have "hid" this life essence that you talk about, it would have been damaged. Akainu WAS injured in that fight, btw.
secondly, we have already briefly learned the nature of Busoshoku Haki and how it works. Rayleight never mentioned anything about hiding life essences.
Err, yes. Akainu was hit and had some lasting damage because he had nowhere to hide. He probably used some haki as shielding so that he wouldn't completely die from it. However, not long before Whitebeard got his hands on Akainu, Vista nearly chopped his head off with Haki, yet Akainu wasn't even hurt. http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/574/7 That tells me that Akainu was able to take his physical essence and hide it from the attack, otherwise he'd be pretty damaged by getting partially decapitated. Also add in Crocodile getting decapitated by Doflamingo, who we know can imbue his attacks with haki as well: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/566/7
This is the link to Whitebeard stabbing Aokiji, but he's perfectly fine: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/567/8 However, Jozu bashes Aokiji with Haki, where he couldn't hide his essence well enough and he's hurt on the next page. Large bashing attacks + haki seem to work, but sharp stabbing attacks seem to be dodged even though they're hitting what we would think is the logia's body. If you're going to argue about Haki power levels, I can't believe that Jozu would have more haki than Whitebeard. All of these events tells me that a logia can hide his physical essence in some way within his logia body and you have to hit that physical essence to do actual damage to the logia. Only against a less experienced logia user, Smoker, does a slashing attack actually seem to work.
On another note, Whitebeard made a prediction on the events of the future: One Piece will be found and then "A grand battle that engulfs the entire world". http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/576/12 So the series doesn't seem like it will end even after One Piece is found.
Actually since he saw Whitebeard's stab coming he probably was able to dematerialize and dodge it whereas Jozu bodyslam was a surprise attack and he didn't expect. Stabbing is not less effective than smashing ....
On July 20 2013 14:03 RenSC2 wrote: First, I've seen an error often enough that it can no longer just be a typo: Whitebread is a type of food you eat and Blackbread is a type of food you throw away unless very desperate. Whitebeard or Blackbeard is a description of facial hair and also the name of pirates in One Piece (and actual history for Blackbeard).
Second, I think eventually we'll find out that a Logia user has his physical essence in only a part of his entire logia body. Armament Haki allows a user to damage logia, but still doesn't help you know where a logia user's physical essence is and you will often just slice through ice/magma/smoke anyways and miss the body. A well trained logia user, like an admiral, will have very good control over where his physical essence is and hide it well, but a lower ranked guy like Smoker hasn't developed that skill yet.
I think this would explain why a haki imbued attack from Whitebeard did not hurt Akioji despite Whitebeard presumably having stronger haki. It would also explain why Vista and Marco did not cause any damage to Akainu despite cutting him with their attacks. Meanwhile, Doflamingo's attack caused serious damage to Smoker because he must have hit the physical essence of Smoker with a haki imbued attack.
Third, this last chapter was a little below average for One Piece. There seems to be a whole lot of fodder introductions that seemed unnecessary. I think most of them are there just to show how big of a badass Luffy has become, but I'd rather that he show his badassery against Doflamingo's crew or Burgess/Cavendish/Bartolomeo when the time comes. I assume that some of the characters may eventually come back to play semi-important roles later in the series, but I don't feel like all will and some could have been skipped. Perhaps I'll yet be surprised. Maybe the whole arena of fighters will turn against Doflamingo after he screws over Luffy.
You forget that a point blank tremor ball from whitebeard pretty much shatters the victims entire body, when he did it to akainu it was demonstrated by showing cracks across akainus entire body. So wherever he would have "hid" this life essence that you talk about, it would have been damaged. Akainu WAS injured in that fight, btw.
secondly, we have already briefly learned the nature of Busoshoku Haki and how it works. Rayleight never mentioned anything about hiding life essences.
Err, yes. Akainu was hit and had some lasting damage because he had nowhere to hide. He probably used some haki as shielding so that he wouldn't completely die from it. However, not long before Whitebeard got his hands on Akainu, Vista nearly chopped his head off with Haki, yet Akainu wasn't even hurt. http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/574/7 That tells me that Akainu was able to take his physical essence and hide it from the attack, otherwise he'd be pretty damaged by getting partially decapitated. Also add in Crocodile getting decapitated by Doflamingo, who we know can imbue his attacks with haki as well: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/566/7
This is the link to Whitebeard stabbing Aokiji, but he's perfectly fine: http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/567/8 However, Jozu bashes Aokiji with Haki, where he couldn't hide his essence well enough and he's hurt on the next page. Large bashing attacks + haki seem to work, but sharp stabbing attacks seem to be dodged even though they're hitting what we would think is the logia's body. If you're going to argue about Haki power levels, I can't believe that Jozu would have more haki than Whitebeard. All of these events tells me that a logia can hide his physical essence in some way within his logia body and you have to hit that physical essence to do actual damage to the logia. Only against a less experienced logia user, Smoker, does a slashing attack actually seem to work.
On another note, Whitebeard made a prediction on the events of the future: One Piece will be found and then "A grand battle that engulfs the entire world". http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/576/12 So the series doesn't seem like it will end even after One Piece is found.
but whitebeards tremor bombs basicly work like an exploding bashing attack that smashes the victims entire body.
also, i dont think DD used haki when he decapitated crocodile. he was just fooling around and wanting to make a statement. when he used haki, you could actually see black strings cutting things apart. that was not the case with crocodile
Re: Haki Infused battles: I personally don't think there's a logical system behind it that we can really deduce yet. If there is, you can get Oda will explain it later.
On another note, Whitebeard made a prediction on the events of the future: One Piece will be found and then "A grand battle that engulfs the entire world". http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/576/12 So the series doesn't seem like it will end even after One Piece is found.
Haven't you read the "One Piece is all blue" theory? The huge battle of the world will be over the creation of "One Piece".
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote: oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.
so a character can never lie or be wrong?
i think everyone should be a bit more careful
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
Yes he is
yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it
Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs.
remember how they said Blackbeard's body is not normal and that's the reason he can have two different devil fruit, and luffy and zoro referred to Blackbeard as they instead of him? I think the reason Yami Yami no mi doesn't transform him completely into the element is because only one entity inside Blackbeard acquired the Yami Yami no mi, while the other entity inside Blackbeard has the Gura Gura no mi. Even though the part of Blackbeard can turn into shadow the other half can't.
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote: oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.
so a character can never lie or be wrong?
i think everyone should be a bit more careful
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
Yes he is
yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it
Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs.
but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
Yes he is
yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it
Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs.
but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia
His body is permanently Darkness just he can't break apart his form like other logias can. His fruit is a logia but in reverse sort of so instead of letting object pass through him it makes sure that hes hit by it with its full effect, hence why its a "unique logia" as while it satisfies the requirements it reverses some of the effects, so to speak. Thats what it seems like to me anyway.
Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can
I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.
Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.
On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard
Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him
Yes he is
yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it
Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs.
but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia
His body is permanently Darkness just he can't break apart his form like other logias can. His fruit is a logia but in reverse sort of so instead of letting object pass through him it makes sure that hes hit by it with its full effect, hence why its a "unique logia" as while it satisfies the requirements it reverses some of the effects, so to speak. Thats what it seems like to me anyway.
Hey guys, go to 2:00 and watch from there. Blackbeard explains why his body gets hurt. Then if you have time, watch part one and part two to see him talk about other things. It's a lot easier to find answers instead of debating if you just look for them =/
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