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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 19 2013 16:34 GMT
#8621
For all the people worried about Haki-induced plotholes, trust in Oda.
He's been setting up the idea of different 'levels' of Haki for a while now.
See the chapter where Law is able to slice Vergo in a billion pieces, for example, or the most recent one where a Haki-infused weapon doesn't do shit.
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Araneae
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway100 Posts
July 19 2013 16:39 GMT
#8622
On July 20 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
For all the people worried about Haki-induced plotholes, trust in Oda.
He's been setting up the idea of different 'levels' of Haki for a while now.
See the chapter where Law is able to slice Vergo in a billion pieces, for example, or the most recent one where a Haki-infused weapon doesn't do shit.

You also have haki users that does not become black where they use it, like Luffy and Vergo, if I'm not mistaking.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
July 19 2013 16:40 GMT
#8623
On July 20 2013 01:21 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 01:14 Frost wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:12 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:06 Frost wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:01 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:58 shark. wrote:
Haki does not negate Devil Fruit powers. Seastone negates Devil Fruit powers. Haki allows you to bypass the Devil Fruit ability but the Devil fruit user is still more than capable of using their Devil Fruit.

updated my post to clarify.


You are still wrong because haki does not negate devil fruit powers. Busoshoku haki merely lets you "touch" the real form oe body of a devil fruit power. Read the poats on the last page that i made to learn properly.

by neglecting it i mean the same thing as what you described. we are in agreement in this matter. the "neglecting" word is key on the person neglecting the incoming DF power acting on him. when i said "neglect" i don't mean the DF user loses their ability all together.


You said negate. Troll more?

auto spell check, sorry


On July 20 2013 00:44 rei wrote:

Haki allow people to negate devil fruit powers when that power is come into contact with the haki imbued body. as well as increase defensive power on the part of the body that is coated with the haki. The damage of the attack coated with haki has everything to do with the physical power behind the attack much more so than the amount of haki that is imbued into the attack. you can imbue your entire body with haki like vergo but if you are weak physically you still can't do any damage to people.


I was responding to this. Also dont bother responding to me. Have fun with trolling!
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 19 2013 16:43 GMT
#8624
On July 20 2013 01:40 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 01:21 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:14 Frost wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:12 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:06 Frost wrote:
On July 20 2013 01:01 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:58 shark. wrote:
Haki does not negate Devil Fruit powers. Seastone negates Devil Fruit powers. Haki allows you to bypass the Devil Fruit ability but the Devil fruit user is still more than capable of using their Devil Fruit.

updated my post to clarify.


You are still wrong because haki does not negate devil fruit powers. Busoshoku haki merely lets you "touch" the real form oe body of a devil fruit power. Read the poats on the last page that i made to learn properly.

by neglecting it i mean the same thing as what you described. we are in agreement in this matter. the "neglecting" word is key on the person neglecting the incoming DF power acting on him. when i said "neglect" i don't mean the DF user loses their ability all together.


You said negate. Troll more?

auto spell check, sorry


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:44 rei wrote:

Haki allow people to negate devil fruit powers when that power is come into contact with the haki imbued body. as well as increase defensive power on the part of the body that is coated with the haki. The damage of the attack coated with haki has everything to do with the physical power behind the attack much more so than the amount of haki that is imbued into the attack. you can imbue your entire body with haki like vergo but if you are weak physically you still can't do any damage to people.


I was responding to this. Also dont bother responding to me. Have fun with trolling!

ya english is no my first language, sometimes i misused words, and dont' express my thoughts precisely. But we have the same idea about relationship between haki and devil fruit power when they come in contact with each other.
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 19 2013 16:49 GMT
#8625
On July 20 2013 01:39 Araneae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
For all the people worried about Haki-induced plotholes, trust in Oda.
He's been setting up the idea of different 'levels' of Haki for a while now.
See the chapter where Law is able to slice Vergo in a billion pieces, for example, or the most recent one where a Haki-infused weapon doesn't do shit.

You also have haki users that does not become black where they use it, like Luffy and Vergo, if I'm not mistaking.


The vergo got sliced up part i already explain, law's ability allow him to cut anywhere without making connection with his sword. so vergo needed to spread out his haki throughout his entire body. When law make the first cut, he concentrated all his haki on his sword, which was able to cut vergo's evenly spreaded out haki on one spot on his body. The more haki the user is able to imbue on one spot, the harder that spot becomes. This make complete sense on how Law cut a haki imbued vergo.
As for that axe that broke in the most recent chapter, i think the explanation is there are a lot more haki imbued in that guy's back than the axe.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8771 Posts
July 19 2013 17:20 GMT
#8626
On July 20 2013 01:39 Araneae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
For all the people worried about Haki-induced plotholes, trust in Oda.
He's been setting up the idea of different 'levels' of Haki for a while now.
See the chapter where Law is able to slice Vergo in a billion pieces, for example, or the most recent one where a Haki-infused weapon doesn't do shit.

You also have haki users that does not become black where they use it, like Luffy and Vergo, if I'm not mistaking.

luffy's arms turn black sometimes. gear 3rd to be precise
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 19 2013 17:26 GMT
#8627
Do we have a new one, who know "everything" about haki? Seriously.
The amount of double and triple posts in the last pages is disturbing.
With all due respect, One Piece is fiction and fictions is up to interpretation.

Dear Frost, please refrain from shoving your ideas down other people's throats. That's what other people do.
Rei can talk about how awesome Enel is all day and nobody cares because we can all agree that he lives on the moon now and has no impact on the story.
Forikorder got banned for behavior quite similar to yours in the last few pages.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
July 19 2013 17:34 GMT
#8628
On July 20 2013 02:26 Mataza wrote:

With all due respect, One Piece is fiction and fictions is up to interpretation.

.

hell ya
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
July 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#8629
one piece thread is on fire! The passion... I can feel it.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
July 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#8630
On July 20 2013 02:26 Mataza wrote:
Do we have a new one, who know "everything" about haki? Seriously.
The amount of double and triple posts in the last pages is disturbing.
With all due respect, One Piece is fiction and fictions is up to interpretation.

Dear Frost, please refrain from shoving your ideas down other people's throats. That's what other people do.
Rei can talk about how awesome Enel is all day and nobody cares because we can all agree that he lives on the moon now and has no impact on the story.
Forikorder got banned for behavior quite similar to yours in the last few pages.


What? I never claimed to know "everything" about haki. The double/triple posts are because I am retarded and failed to use multiple quotes in one post.
And I don't see how telling people about how haki works based on what only Oda said is "shoving ideas down people's throats". I do apologize if my posts came out strong.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11378 Posts
July 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#8631
Both rei and Frost, please use edit rather than double and triple post/spam this thread.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18538 Posts
July 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#8632
wow 70 new posts, I hoped some super big news came out XD
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 19:06:41
July 19 2013 19:05 GMT
#8633
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
July 19 2013 19:15 GMT
#8634
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful


Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.

It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
July 19 2013 20:49 GMT
#8635
On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful


Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.

It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.


There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
July 19 2013 23:18 GMT
#8636
Ah we we have started the Oda is wrong thingy and almost hundred posts appeared over night.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 23:49:01
July 19 2013 23:43 GMT
#8637
On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful


Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.

It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.


There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.

like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?

This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.

One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.
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sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 20 2013 01:12 GMT
#8638
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful

I do love me some unreliable narration.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 03:22:57
July 20 2013 03:20 GMT
#8639
On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful


Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.

It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.


There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.

like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?

This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.

One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.


Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can

I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.

Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.

On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
July 20 2013 04:32 GMT
#8640
On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:
On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:
On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:24 rei wrote:
oda name it blackhole, oda said not even light can escape. Whatever blackbread says comes from oda, blackbread is a character made up of oda's imagination.


so a character can never lie or be wrong?

i think everyone should be a bit more careful


Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.

It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true.


There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true.

like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?

This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.

One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here.


Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can

I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard.

Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard.

On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss.



As i have said before, i think Mihawk would be the best counter to blackbeard. He does not rely on any devil fruit whatsoever so the darkness would only serve as a weakness since it increases the damage BB takes, and Blackbeard is a close combat fighter wich means he has to take blows from mihawks sword.

on the side note, Busoshoku Haki is first and foremost a defensive technique, so i see no reason why it should not be possible for logia users to use it at least in that regard, to counter the offensive use of the technique. For example, Im pretty sure Akainu would have died to whitebeards repeated haki infused point-blank tremor explosions if he did not use Busoshoku Haki himself defensivly to negate some of the damage. Remember, Logia users cannot use their elemental powers to heal their actual physical body after being struck by Busoshoku Haki,
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