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On August 19 2022 23:49 Hyperbola wrote:An interesting post I saw that discussed the anti-climax of Wano: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/I286G6i.png) Personally, I don't care either way. I'm just glad Wano is over since it felt like a whole bunch of filler and now One Piece's actual story can finally start.
Me too. I'm just worried about Oda's mental health. It seems like he's kinda burnt out? Hopefully it was just due to how insanely long this arc was. Hope he stop introducing 200+ characters to sacrifice screen time for strawhats.
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Yamato was disappointing because it was off screen'd the change in their decision after their clear emphasis on leaving so it feels weak and a sudden reversal.
Going to have to read the arc in a binge to see how it flows because sometimes arcs read a lot better as a whole instead of over a long period, though preliminary opinion is that the arc had a lot of potential that I feel like Oda wasted a good chunk of it.
Think Big Mom as an inclusion was a mistake. She should have been dealt with in whole cake island arc or in some other arc (Elbaf perhaps??) Throwing her in does seem like a "just get her out of the way" type deal.
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I agree on the ending feeling a bit meh. Overall I think the arc needed slimming down, felt like Oda was juggling too many ideas and characters and all wanted them in the arc. And while I like a lot of them, in the end it felt overcrowded and with a lack of focus and made it hard to keep track of everything that was happening to me. Oda probably could have written 2-3 arcs with all the ideas he had, but putting them all into one was a mistake imo.
The outro makes this even more clear to me. It's obviously centered on Momosuke, Hyori and the scabbards, but all of these feel like weak characters to me that were a bit undercooked. I'm supposed to should sympathize with Momo who is definitely the centerpiece of this arc and actually has quite a bit of character growth, but I never found him really likeable tbh, the samurai are freaking idiots for following him for 3/4 of the story. Maybe this works better for people who don't think that monarchy is fucking dumb.
Overall I think the only new interesting char coming out of this arc was Yamato and while I'm happy that she's not becoming part of the main crew I'd have preferred if she stuck around with one of the others.
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United States97276 Posts
The korozumi were born to burn is probably one of the worst lines of dialogue in the manga. So much for the sins of your parents don’t define you. Kanjuro and orochi were the way they were because of persecution following the actions of 1 ancestor
Guess Robin should have died for being from Ohara after all
And good thing ace died for being roger’s son
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France7248 Posts
even if the translation makes it really harsh, I don't really like this pun
kurozumi = charcoal, and it's said like "it's not kurozumi (charcoal) if it's not burned" (same way Oden was meant to be boiled)
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No idea where this theme of revenge suddenly came from 
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It might not be the best messaging but it's very understandable considering Orochi forced Wano into slavery and famine for 20 years. Most cultures need an antagonist to operate effectively. Unfortunate as it is, the Kurozumi are the natural choice.
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United States97276 Posts
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending
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Austria24422 Posts
Agree with a lot of points here. Big Mom felt really out of place in this arc, and the fact that she was included here put a dent in both WCI and Wano for me. I kept waiting for the whole Sanji saving her life thing to pay off in some way - realizing that she owed the SHs a great debt and turning on Kaido, after all the talk of pirates betraying each other, would have been the much better way to go about it for me. It would have made Kaido's defeat more believable, would have tied up the last arc and underlined the difference between Luffy and other big names, and why he's going to be pirate king. Alas, she was just there and got defeated by others.
I personally don't dislike huge arcs and lots of characters, as long as they're all relevant, the writing is good and ends are tied up well. Can't say this happened here.
Definitely one of the weaker arcs for me.
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I don't really mind the ending, it's very One Piece after all with the flag, Luffy/Trafalgar/Kid being stupid, etc.
Slightly disappointed with Yamato's story though. I don't really get the whole "I wanna join the crew but nop". I imagine there could be some payoff later, when she's done with her stuff on Wano, goes after them and save them from a bad situation.
Also, I like her character, a lot more than Jinbei for example.
And agree with Big Mom and the cake from previous arc, guess it really was just to buy some time.
All in all, was still enjoyable to read but I'm glad we're moving on.
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On August 20 2022 20:02 Olli wrote:
Agree with a lot of points here. Big Mom felt really out of place in this arc, and the fact that she was included here put a dent in both WCI and Wano for me. I kept waiting for the whole Sanji saving her life thing to pay off in some way - realizing that she owed the SHs a great debt and turning on Kaido, after all the talk of pirates betraying each other, would have been the much better way to go about it for me. It would have made Kaido's defeat more believable, would have tied up the last arc and underlined the difference between Luffy and other big names, and why he's going to be pirate king. Alas, she was just there and got defeated by others.
I personally don't dislike huge arcs and lots of characters, as long as they're all relevant, the writing is good and ends are tied up well. Can't say this happened here.
Definitely one of the weaker arcs for me.
Great point about Big Mom. I remember when Sanji gave her the cake and she immediately went back to hunting the Straw Hats. Everyone was going crazy about Sanji being a straight up traitor, which, he pretty much was lol. I think Oda included her in Wano in order to have Law and Kid play a more major role - taking out another Yonko and establishing themselves as equal rivals to Luffy. You can still have this happen though if you rewrite the arc just a little bit.
If I were to rewrite both Whole Cake and Wano, I would have the cake put Big Mom into a food coma for several days/weeks, with the justification being that Sanji used his Okama Attack Cuisine he learned at the Kamabakka kingdom (does anyone even remember this?). This way, you can have Sanji play a much bigger role in the Whole Cake arc and ultimately be responsible for indirectly taking Big Mom out of the picture, instead of being a straight up traitor.
For Wano, Big Mom would not appear, and the fight with Kaido would be a 1v3 between Kaido, Luffy, Law, and Kid. I would actually have Luffy be the underdog at the beginning of the fight as Law and Kid reveal their awakening powers while Luffy just gets slapped around. Then, when it seems like all hope is lost and Law and Kid are on death's door, Luffy would then awaken his Toon fruit and use his Toon powers to finish off Kaido.
This accomplishes a number of things:
1. It shortens and focuses the arc due to the exclusion of the Big Mom pirates and it also shortens the battle on the roof of Onigashima to one fight, as opposed to the 3-5 that we got.
2. It still provides room for growth for Luffy. Winning a 1v3 vs Kaido is different from winning a 1v1 vs Kaido, meaning that Luffy is almost at Yonko level but not quite. This opens up possibilities for other opponents down the line like Weevil (did Oda forget about him too?) and the lesser Admirals (GB, Fuji, Kizaru, Kuzan).
3. It fixes the Sanji issue of him being directly responsible for all Big Mom related casualties in Wano.
4. It turns the Nika fruit back into the Toon fruit, a paramecia, removing the bizarre classification change and reducing the whole chosen one nonsense back to a more reasonable level.
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you cant have a 1v3 against kaido at this point in the manga.
pacing has clearly become a problem and unless oda plans on writing for another 15 years, he just doesnt have the time to put in enough arcs in between to develop luffy to a level where he can 1v1 a yonko.
big mom had to be put into wano just to give luffy that 1v1, and even then oda tried to bring kaido down to 50% hp first just to make it seem like luffy winning the 1v1 wasnt complete bullshit
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Wano is a weird arc, so much I liked but yeah also so much that just feels bad. Luffy’s fruit, no payoff on Sanji and Big Mom, Yamato Oops Nvming out of the crew, it’s just… not what I’m used to expecting out of One Piece, far more of a conventional mixed bag this arc.
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On August 20 2022 23:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
you cant have a 1v3 against kaido at this point in the manga.
pacing has clearly become a problem and unless oda plans on writing for another 15 years, he just doesnt have the time to put in enough arcs in between to develop luffy to a level where he can 1v1 a yonko.
big mom had to be put into wano just to give luffy that 1v1, and even then oda tried to bring kaido down to 50% hp first just to make it seem like luffy winning the 1v1 wasnt complete bullshit
Well keeping Luffy as the underdog for a little longer is far more interesting to me. He can still go on to fight Blackbeard, Akainu, or Imu in the next fight but it would actually feel like an incredibly tough hurdle to overcome. As he currently is, Luffy is essentially max level (according to the current scale). I'm sure Oda will come up with another crazy powerup down the line but Luffy is basically Roger level at this point so he can just go and casually finish the series. And that's not really all that exciting, IMO.
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I never believed Yamato was joining to begin with so them changing their minds seemingly last second didn't bother me.
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On August 21 2022 10:23 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2022 23:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
you cant have a 1v3 against kaido at this point in the manga.
pacing has clearly become a problem and unless oda plans on writing for another 15 years, he just doesnt have the time to put in enough arcs in between to develop luffy to a level where he can 1v1 a yonko.
big mom had to be put into wano just to give luffy that 1v1, and even then oda tried to bring kaido down to 50% hp first just to make it seem like luffy winning the 1v1 wasnt complete bullshit Well keeping Luffy as the underdog for a little longer is far more interesting to me. He can still go on to fight Blackbeard, Akainu, or Imu in the next fight but it would actually feel like an incredibly tough hurdle to overcome. As he currently is, Luffy is essentially max level (according to the current scale). I'm sure Oda will come up with another crazy powerup down the line but Luffy is basically Roger level at this point so he can just go and casually finish the series. And that's not really all that exciting, IMO.
Dunno, imo it still looks like Luffy is a lot weaker than Kaido atm. I'm not favoring him in a fight with Akainu if I disregard MC bonuses and overall Luffy still has fairly significant stamina issues with his newfound powers. Considering that Roger went up against BM, Kaido and a bunch of other big shots at the same time I'd still rate Roger considerably higher, although it's hard to estimate how much everyone has grown since then.
Since I still haven't seen anything massive from BB and Imu I don't really have any idea how strong they are.
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On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending
Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes.
I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments.
Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective.
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United States97276 Posts
On August 22 2022 16:31 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes. I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments. Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective.
It was stated. 1 daimyo from the family assassinated the other daimyos in an attempt to be named the new shogun because Oden’s grandfather didn’t have an heir yet. He was discovered after oden’s father was born and executed via seppuku and then the people of wano decided to exterminate the entire clan as well because if the actions of the patriarch
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On August 23 2022 03:33 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2022 16:31 herMan wrote:On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes. I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments. Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective. It was stated. 1 daimyo from the family assassinated the other daimyos in an attempt to be named the new shogun because Oden’s grandfather didn’t have an heir yet. He was discovered after oden’s father was born and executed via seppuku and then the people of wano decided to exterminate the entire clan as well because if the actions of the patriarch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations
It may seem barbaric by modern standards but this happened all the time in Japan, China, and other Asian countries.
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I expect this is the last chapter Oda wrote before his break, and i'd say his exhaustion with Wano showed. Like 1/6 of the panels are just old panels. Greenbull and Shanks were probably written in to hype Film Red, and Oda is probably spinning too many plates launching that and them working on the OP live action.
Zoro is the character I think that got most shafted. Particularly, if he somehow exchanged for the Nidai Kitetsu, all his blades would be great grade swords, that he could upgrade to supreme (maybe?) by making them black blades, which I'd have hoped to learn more about during the Ryuma's grave chapter.
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