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On August 23 2022 06:55 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2022 03:33 Shellshock wrote:On August 22 2022 16:31 herMan wrote:On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes. I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments. Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective. It was stated. 1 daimyo from the family assassinated the other daimyos in an attempt to be named the new shogun because Oden’s grandfather didn’t have an heir yet. He was discovered after oden’s father was born and executed via seppuku and then the people of wano decided to exterminate the entire clan as well because if the actions of the patriarch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminationsIt may seem barbaric by modern standards but this happened all the time in Japan, China, and other Asian countries.
Wow, that is seriously fucked up. I guess as a Westerner the hardest thing for me to come to terms with Asian culture is the fact that you are "responsible" for something that your ancestors did or did not do.
Yeah, if you exact that sort of punishment then it makes sense for the remaining Kurozumi to get even. Can you even be a benevolent, trusting ruler after enduring such persecution is also a valid question.
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On August 23 2022 16:23 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2022 06:55 Hyperbola wrote:On August 23 2022 03:33 Shellshock wrote:On August 22 2022 16:31 herMan wrote:On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes. I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments. Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective. It was stated. 1 daimyo from the family assassinated the other daimyos in an attempt to be named the new shogun because Oden’s grandfather didn’t have an heir yet. He was discovered after oden’s father was born and executed via seppuku and then the people of wano decided to exterminate the entire clan as well because if the actions of the patriarch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminationsIt may seem barbaric by modern standards but this happened all the time in Japan, China, and other Asian countries. Wow, that is seriously fucked up. I guess as a Westerner the hardest thing for me to come to terms with Asian culture is the fact that you are "responsible" for something that your ancestors did or did not do. Yeah, if you exact that sort of punishment then it makes sense for the remaining Kurozumi to get even. Can you even be a benevolent, trusting ruler after enduring such persecution is also a valid question.
this isnt really a thing in modern asian culture. and in ancient history this wasnt specific to asia. im fairly certain that even in western history, entire families were persecuted for the sins of one member also.
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On August 23 2022 16:23 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2022 06:55 Hyperbola wrote:On August 23 2022 03:33 Shellshock wrote:On August 22 2022 16:31 herMan wrote:On August 20 2022 14:57 Shellshock wrote:
exact same sentiment the world govt uses
"prejudice brings stability" - Aramaki
the people of Wano learned nothing. The reason Orochi went psycho was because the Kurozumi were hunted down and executed in the first place as a clan because of the actions of 1 guy
it's the same sentiment Doflamingo used to rule Dressrosa by framing the Riku
Oda basically makes them no different than the bad guys.
I give Wano arc like a 3/10. bloated, lots of loose threads never explained or followed up on, terrible ending Eh, monarchies will always have enemies. If I recall correctly, it was not stated why the Kurozumi were hunted in the first place. Perhaps they did something to justify this hunt. And as someone else pointed out, the Kurozumi kinda overstepped their revenge by making life living hell for the entire people of Wano for decades. The One Piece monarchies also seem to have a "divine right" to govern, which means heads of state are not really accountable for their mistakes. I also love how the World Government is portrayed in this series. On the other hand you have the elite who can literally get away with murder and enslaving people. And, on the other hand you have a semi-stable government structure for your average citizen in a world where humans are endowed with apocalyptic powers. In this scenario, more people as a whole benefit from government - the greatest amount of prosperity for the largest amount of people is one of the key goals for governments. Even though the arrangement still sucks, what better alternatives can we have in this kind of world with a million islands? Governance systems tend to always corrupt over time. We get a very warped view of the govt. from the pirate perspective. It was stated. 1 daimyo from the family assassinated the other daimyos in an attempt to be named the new shogun because Oden’s grandfather didn’t have an heir yet. He was discovered after oden’s father was born and executed via seppuku and then the people of wano decided to exterminate the entire clan as well because if the actions of the patriarch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminationsIt may seem barbaric by modern standards but this happened all the time in Japan, China, and other Asian countries. Wow, that is seriously fucked up. I guess as a Westerner the hardest thing for me to come to terms with Asian culture is the fact that you are "responsible" for something that your ancestors did or did not do. Yeah, if you exact that sort of punishment then it makes sense for the remaining Kurozumi to get even. Can you even be a benevolent, trusting ruler after enduring such persecution is also a valid question.
If you read it, the article states that it has been rarely recorded to be carried out.
I believe this is the most basic homo sapiens thing, nothing specifically to do with Asian culture - think of religious persecutions, genocides, imperialism etc. You get to die because of something someone else did if you are killed by another human, most of the time.
As a counter-example from Europe: Gjakkmarja in Albania was recorded to be still carried out in 6 counties as of 2018: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_blood_feud (not to point fingers on Albania, as I said its a universal thing I think, but to bring the most recent example I can think of to the discussion)
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Referring to the other point I made, what do you think will happen to the World Government in the end? The way I see it, lawlessness will reign supreme and the average citizen will be worse off now that pirates are "free". I would find it a bit half-hearted if it just ended with a coup of some Marines with a nicer brand of justice taking over and promising they would act good. After all, those guys will eventually retire and the same systemic behaviors will continue. The Celestial Dragons will probably be toppled in some form.
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i think a reform is more likely than the absolution of the world government.
the world government is still split between good/evil, with the celestial dragons and officers like akainu on the "evil" side and then officers like garp/coby, maybe sengoku? on the "good side". i think eventually the bad side of the world government will be purged, including the celestial dragons, and youll have people like coby left who still maintain order but have a clearer sense of justice. maybe its possible for revolutionaries to join the world government to maintain the new law and order
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Wow Crocodile has grown quite a bit! Last time we saw him he got bodied by pre-haki pre-gears Luffy. And now look at him, destroying entire fleets of Marine warships with ease and founding a new Baroque Works in the New World with extremely powerful members like Mihawk. Just goes to show you how much side characters can level up in the background while the protagonists take all of the limelight.
It seems like many former One Piece antagonists tend to wind up a lot better in the long run after they get knocked out by Luffy. Enel went to the moon and became the leader of a vast robotic army, Lucci and CP9 leveled up to CP0, Buggy is now an Emperor, Bellamy became a lot stronger and is now his own man, and Wapol is the king of another kingdom. However, I guess some of them do wind up losing quite badly. Arlong, Doflamingo, and Hody are locked up, Kreig is missing, and Moria is apparently dead. However, there's still a chance they can show up later in the story, just like Crocodile did. So who knows?
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honestly it would be pretty cool to see krieg again and find that hes become a formidable guy. same with the other enemies like kuro.
also sanji got demoted lul
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Both Luffy and Buggy got beaten up by their crew members lolololol
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On August 26 2022 21:32 Hyperbola wrote:
Last time we saw him he got bodied by pre-haki pre-gears Luffy.
Last time we saw him he was trolling people across Marineford
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On August 27 2022 00:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
honestly it would be pretty cool to see krieg again and find that hes become a formidable guy. same with the other enemies like kuro.
also sanji got demoted lul
Gin still alive trust me
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On August 26 2022 21:32 Hyperbola wrote:
Wow Crocodile has grown quite a bit! Last time we saw him he got bodied by pre-haki pre-gears Luffy. And now look at him, destroying entire fleets of Marine warships with ease and founding a new Baroque Works in the New World with extremely powerful members like Mihawk. Just goes to show you how much side characters can level up in the background while the protagonists take all of the limelight.
The Crocodile/Moria got depressed after getting bodied by Whitebeard/Kaido and lost motivation theory is stronger than ever.
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On August 27 2022 04:41 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2022 21:32 Hyperbola wrote:
Wow Crocodile has grown quite a bit! Last time we saw him he got bodied by pre-haki pre-gears Luffy. And now look at him, destroying entire fleets of Marine warships with ease and founding a new Baroque Works in the New World with extremely powerful members like Mihawk. Just goes to show you how much side characters can level up in the background while the protagonists take all of the limelight.
The Crocodile/Moria got depressed after getting bodied by Whitebeard/Kaido and lost motivation theory is stronger than ever.
Haha, maybe. All it takes is one good beating from Luffy's fist of love and that'll clear your depression right up!
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Unless you are Moria lol
Crocodile is like the opposite of that one meme thats like... "You defeat the villain and they join as a character, except now they are way weaker." Luffy beats him, and then he cranks it up a level
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I kinda like this recycling of old characters...
I barely read any shonens beside One Piece but it seems to me that it's extremely rare and it's almost always new vilains piling on top of each others, coming out of nowhere.
It makes sense when building a world that defeated enemies just don't sit there on their asses but also keep growing and do something that matters.
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The new chapter's out.
It felt a little rushed, tbh. The fight between Hancock and Blackbeard was strangely on-screen off-screened. At least Ace got to shoot a few fireballs before he went down. Instead, Hancock just got grabbed and immediately lost. So much for the great pirate empress. Not sure why she's worth 1.6 billion seeing as how she couldn't even take down a single Vice Admiral and a couple new Pacifista.
Speaking of which, the new Pacifistas appear to be cybernetic Lunarian child clones of former Shichibukai? The heck? What a random assortment of characteristics. First it was the Germa which felt like 5 different ideas haphazardly slapped together and now it's this. You know, there's a difference between creativity and just taking a grab bag of random shit and stapling it together. What next? A race of Mink-fishmen-skypeain-chinchilla crossbreeds with 3 hands, 5 feet and a scorpion stinger? Anyone remember when one piece had thematic focus?
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hancock managed to make it a pyrrhic victory for blackbeard and the marines. she managed to turn devon and vasco into statues as well as most of koby’s unit.
even blackbeard admitted that there was no way to save his crew and stop boa from petrifying him if he let her go (another complete foil to luffy’s actions on the island)
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On September 09 2022 21:54 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
hancock managed to make it a pyrrhic victory for blackbeard and the marines. she managed to turn devon and vasco into statues as well as most of koby’s unit.
even blackbeard admitted that there was no way to save his crew and stop boa from petrifying him if he let her go (another complete foil to luffy’s actions on the island)
Eh, turning trash into stone is not a significant accomplishment. Boa is over reliant on her devil fruit. Throw in someone resistant to her charms (like the pacifista) or someone that can take her powers away (like Blackbeard) and Hancock is a D-rank pirate. There's no way in hell she should have a higher bounty than King, Queen, Marco, and Katakuri.
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Oh no. Using your op devil fruit. Its not like we have a Yonko that win a whole way that way.
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On September 09 2022 22:46 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 21:54 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
hancock managed to make it a pyrrhic victory for blackbeard and the marines. she managed to turn devon and vasco into statues as well as most of koby’s unit.
even blackbeard admitted that there was no way to save his crew and stop boa from petrifying him if he let her go (another complete foil to luffy’s actions on the island) Eh, turning trash into stone is not a significant accomplishment. Boa is over reliant on her devil fruit. Throw in someone resistant to her charms (like the pacifista) or someone that can take her powers away (like Blackbeard) and Hancock is a D-rank pirate. There's no way in hell she should have a higher bounty than King, Queen, Marco, and Katakuri.
Considering BB straight up said he would be stone'd if he wasn't holding her... Yonko crew members aren't nobodies either.
She also has Conq Haki.
Personally I don't like powers like hers because authors usually don't know how to balance them. Their are either stupidly strong or near useless. It kinda seems like Oda is taking it on the more OP side so he puts her up against one of the few people in the world with a direct counter. Even then it looks more like BB skulked in to sneak up to her for that grab.
I actually like the part of her fruit that allows her to turn the part of people she kicks into stone, thought that was kinda neat.
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If BB says he will be turned into stone if let go does this mean Boa's abilities ignore Haki? That would be crazy imba
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