EPTOn June 06 2013 03:15 urSa wrote:
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good mods!
can't believe he thought that would be OK to post. Please people, use your brain.
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crms
United States11933 Posts
good mods! can't believe he thought that would be OK to post. Please people, use your brain. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On June 06 2013 03:36 crms wrote: good mods! can't believe he thought that would be OK to post. Please people, use your brain. Brains are all being turned on as per your request. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17473 Posts
On June 06 2013 00:34 TSORG wrote: that is true but jon is on the watch, even if he was trueborn son, he wouldnt have had a claim left. Best example here would be Aemon, he has probably the best claim to the throne out of anyone (oldest living Targaryen) yet he remains at Castle Black. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 06 2013 03:09 Noro wrote: Magic could come in tandem with God(s) intervening in the world again. I dont see how Thoros merely saying something like "Please Lord of Light bring my friend back to life" would be magical. I figured the whole process of magic was, ye know, arcane, ritualistic, maybe involving ingredients and so on...Is it unreasonable to think that perhaps there is no LoL and it's just magic? Everyone knows that since the dragons have come back, magic has been growing increasingly strong in many different forms. The warlocks power was strongest in the presence of the dragons, and Thoros himself said that until the day he ressurected Beric after being killed by Gregor, that the words never did anything. | ||
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Oldfool
Australia394 Posts
On June 06 2013 03:56 Dazed_Spy wrote: Magic could come in tandem with God(s) intervening in the world again. I dont see how Thoros merely saying something like "Please Lord of Light bring my friend back to life" would be magical. I figured the whole process of magic was, ye know, arcane, ritualistic, maybe involving ingredients and so on... Is Bran not using magic as part of being a warg? How else does he take control of wolves/Hodor? Words can have power, I don't think magic is quite so formal as you think. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Altair
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On June 04 2013 04:21 Big J wrote: that would be the most stupid thing ever... Like, her story is almost disconnected from the rest. It would basically just have been a waste of time. Not going to happen. That chick with the dragons will most likely sit the Iron throne in the end. But it will take a long time to get there. Maybe it is stupid but it is also something that no one expects. Its true she has a fair shot at the Iron Throne with her baby dragoons and all that but she is too good and cliche. Let's hope she does survive and we get to see her naked even more. Hehehe. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:11 Altair wrote: Maybe it is stupid but it is also something that no one expects. Its true she has a fair shot at the Iron Throne with her baby dragoons and all that but she is too good and cliche. Let's hope she does survive and we get to see her naked even more. Hehehe. The difference between an unsuspecting plot and a bad one is in how the unexpected occurs... For instance there is no plot motive to just kill her right now... Why watch 3 seasons of her "WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS!" to just have her die before making any impact whatsoever? It's not expected because it would be ridiculous where Robb deserved his fate from his past actions. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Honestly all this magic's getting to be too much for me. I liked the realpolitik atmosphere season 1 had for the most part, now it seems people everywhere are resorting to magical means to further themselves. By far the most important event of season, the betrayal at the wedding, has nothing to do with magic. Just good old political scheming and betrayal. Dany's storyline, the most fantasy like of all, is not even having that much magic in it right now other than dragons. Just military conflict. In the north it's the wildlings vs the NW and we've seen a single white walker and a few creppy crows with limited plot relevance. Then we have Melissandre and the leeches, she burned three and so far one of the victims has died. But I can't believe she actually caused Robb's death, the betrayal was probably in the works for quite some time and she just recentrly burned the leeches. If anything I think she saw it in the flames and it's using the opportunity to consolidate her power by making everyone think she's even more power than she actually has. Which seem to me a lot like realpolitik : P. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Honestly all this magic's getting to be too much for me. I liked the realpolitik atmosphere season 1 had for the most part, now it seems people everywhere are resorting to magical means to further themselves. If you just imagined the world existing in an alternate dimension where the rules of physics that we know it don't apply and or the series being sufficiently in the future such that all magic can be explained with nano-machines, would the show be better for you? | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On June 06 2013 03:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Fat fucking chance that happens any time soon... Tywin is a god damn boss! He may be the only Lannister keeping the name relevant but he is so far one of the best at playing the Game, power comes to him naturally. That being said I agree Margaery is going places, she is smart and is playing Joffrey like a fiddle that plus the backing of her house she is a front runner right now to come out on top as well. I'm pretty sure tywin will die soon. If you remember to season 2 in harrenhal when he's talking with Arya. There is a pretty big point made that "this is my last war." "my legacy will be made by this war". He has just won the war, and has secured his legacy 3 fold through "joffery" victory in the war of the 5 kings, and the marriage of both his children to major rival houses. GRRM likes killing off people when their arcs have ended, seems to me that Tywin's is just about up. Which does kind of suck, because I completely agree, Tywin is by far the best player in the game. But without him, the Lanaster name will fall quickly. His brother will be given casterly rock and what little we know about him, isn't good. Joffery is incompetent and will die. Jaimie can't hold titles. Tyrion got dealt a short hand. And cersi is going to end up in prison or dead after Margaery convinces joffery to do it (or does it herself after he dies). side note- Cersi's arc has been one of my favorites. You think she's this actual player in season 1, then by the end of season 3 you see she's basically incompetent and just a pawn in Tywin's game. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:25 Xahhk wrote: If you just imagined the world existing in an alternate dimension where the rules of physics that we know it don't apply and or the series being sufficiently in the future such that all magic can be explained with nano-machines, would the show be better for you? Just think of the magic in the series as the luck factor. Happenstance and coincidence play a major role in real warfare and politics. And I for one would certainly rather see a dramatized version of luck with dragons and demon babies, instead of real world luck such as rain and brain aneurysms. | ||
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djukger
Germany68 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:20 CrimsonLotus wrote: Then we have Melissandre and the leeches, she burned three and so far one of the victims has died. But I can't believe she actually caused Robb's death, the betrayal was probably in the works for quite some time and she just recentrly burned the leeches. If anything I think she saw it in the flames and it's using the opportunity to consolidate her power by making everyone think she's even more power than she actually has. Which seem to me a lot like realpolitik : P. Maybe she has like a spy network and knew that something was planned for Robb and then she can always say it worked on Robb you just have to wait | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On June 05 2013 18:09 Chrispy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2013 17:39 Qwertify wrote: This is just a thought - something to look out for: In the previous episode to "The Rains of Castamere" The red witch lady takes blood from Robert Baratheon's bastard son to cast a "spell" I guess you can call it, as a demo or as proof of her power, that the blood and life of this young kid can give him the kingdom. She uses leeches to take the blood, three of them, and with each leech Stanis throws into the fire, he names a name, preceded with the word "usurper." The names were those three which were the greatest threat to Stanis, the biggest hurdles on his way to the throne. These were Rob Stark, Geoffry Barathron, and Balon Greyjoy. In the latest episode - I am thinking we got to see the power of this spell at work, and in the coming episode we can look forward to seeing how the rest of that will work out. We saw Bolton give Jaime back to the Lanisters as long as it was agreed that he had nothing to do with Jaime's maiming. It is a sort of foreshadowing technique that I think us in play with the Tyrell's at King's Landing. They do have some plot or plans within plans as how to take over the kingdom. Of course Margaery Tyrell has no intention of being Geoffrey's Queen for the rest of her life. The fact that Olenna Redwyne from House Tyrell was so curious about Geoffrey as to get Sansa Stark out in private to seek out information about him is particularly suspicious. Then there were the plans for Little Finger to marry Sansa himself by taking her away with him on a ship. That later part was most likely a red herring or a diversion for both the viewer and the Lanisters. If they believe they know what the Tyrell's and their allies are up to, and believe they have thwarted their plans, it gives them a false sense of security. Then - at the right moment, the plans within plans can unravel, and on top of it all will be Little Finger and the Tyrell's. Theon's mystery torturer I think will also be revealed as his father is implicated in the aforementioned "spell" and his freedom might have something to do with his father's death. I only mention his freedom because I don't see the sense of protracting the phase of his torture if he did not have some larger role in the future. I could be wrong, he could just be a piece in a play to get at Balon Greyjoy. All just things to keep in mind as the finale comes shortly. At the same time however, I think that only 2/3 of the people in the spell will actually die. I think that Geoffrey will lose his crown, but I think that he will escape alive, bringing at least some doubts to the power of the red lady witch. Thoughts on this or does anybody see something off with this analysis? Thanks for you thoughts before hand. Couple things: 1. It's Joffrey. Not Geoffrey. 2. The three leeches represented the "false kings" not the biggest threats. According to Stannis, Joffrey is a false king (not Robert's true son), Robb's claim is treasonous and Balon has claimed he is king of the Iron Islands, which Stannis also would dispute. So Melisandre is throwing three leeches on the fire, representing the three false kings. 3. Formatting man! Your post is a mess. Use indents. The fact that he says Geoffrey and not Joffrey means he reads the books and I'm not going to read his "speculation". | ||
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
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CatfooD
United States203 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On June 06 2013 05:03 CatfooD wrote: Why did Mellisandre name Balon Greyjoy as one of the 3 threats with the leeches, in addition to Robb Stark and Joffrey Baratheon? I don't know anything about him really, why he is a threat, why he has a claim to the throne, and so on. Can someone enlighten me please? As we see when Theon goes to see him to offer the alliance with Robb, Balon decides that he's gonna declare independence and attack the North instead. He doesn't do this with aprobal of the Lannisters or anyone else. That's why it's called the War of the Five Kings (Jeoffrey, Robb, Stannis, Renly and Balon). | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On June 06 2013 04:20 CrimsonLotus wrote: By far the most important event of season, the betrayal at the wedding, has nothing to do with magic. Just good old political scheming and betrayal. Dany's storyline, the most fantasy like of all, is not even having that much magic in it right now other than dragons. Just military conflict. In the north it's the wildlings vs the NW and we've seen a single white walker and a few creppy crows with limited plot relevance. Then we have Melissandre and the leeches, she burned three and so far one of the victims has died. But I can't believe she actually caused Robb's death, the betrayal was probably in the works for quite some time and she just recentrly burned the leeches. If anything I think she saw it in the flames and it's using the opportunity to consolidate her power by making everyone think she's even more power than she actually has. Which seem to me a lot like realpolitik : P. I do like the wedding and the Robb story overall because of this. It is all medieval warfare and politics. Dany right now is a Genghis Khan and I guess other than the dragons it's pretty cool. They're only acting like a army magnet right now so it's all good. Melisandre pulls it well since other than the shadow queef we have no indication of her actually manipulating the events by magic. Your points on her are correct. But I absolutely hate the direction the Bran storyline is going in, cavorting around and learning how to possess animals and accidentally possessing Hodor, as well as the Orell guy. And the white walkers serve as a good motivation for the series events to take place but I hate the part of the story actually concerning them. This is not a horror show and none of it should try to resemble one. Sam can die for all I care (but he won't because the story is very unresolved), and it seems to me like making the Wildlings stronger/more equippeepd and making them the invading force instead of the White Walkers would suffice. On June 06 2013 04:25 Xahhk wrote: If you just imagined the world existing in an alternate dimension where the rules of physics that we know it don't apply and or the series being sufficiently in the future such that all magic can be explained with nano-machines, would the show be better for you? Not really. | ||
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