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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On May 14 2013 05:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I like that trailer for Episode 8. Joffrey is flipping out, and it looks like there's going to be an epic showdown with him, Tyrion and Tywin coming up. Meanwhile, Gendry seems to be a sex slave to Melisandre at this point. He's not Stannis (i.e. expendable) so perhaps he can be used to spawn assassins until his fire is burnt out. Note that Melissandre said to Stannis that he wasn't strong enough to try to make another "kid". While Gendry is said to be very strong like his father (melissandre on the ship). | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On May 14 2013 13:00 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Tyrion I get it. But one is in jail and the other one is just a bodyguard who came back from the shadows a few episodes back. I dont see how key they are compared to say Arya or Daenarys. Davos might actually be fucked for all we know... did I miss something about those two guys? I wouldn't agree everyone likes them. I find Tyrion to be too much of a sad clown and his puerile emotional dependency on prostitutes is understandable but cliche. Davos is alright, but that's about it. "Oh, look at me, the loyal man to the end, wasting away in a dungeon while continuing to worship Stannis, the guy who cut off my fingers." That sounds like a total dunderhead to me. Selmy's the same sort of guy. A total honor-bound pill. Littlefinger, Varys, and Margaery Tyrell on the other hand are my favorites. So, again, I think it's quite pointless to try to boil the story down into typical hero-villain archetypes. It's just too basic of a model to use. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 14 2013 11:56 lord_nibbler wrote: This story telling style (and somewhat this thread) have really corrupted some of my viewing pleasure.  Like when I saw Robb and his wife make lovey-dovey sex for 5 min, all I could think about was: "Oh, so I guess one of them is going to die soon now. Why would they spend so much time on their already established relationship otherwise." What I am trying to say is that, regardless of what is actually going to happen to them, the 'feeling' of the scene was totally ruined for me because of these thoughts. To show their naked bodies of course. And we don't mind at all  Granddaughter Chaplin really has a nice one | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On May 14 2013 11:19 SamsungStar wrote: Wouldn't it be more accurate to say then that it is now transitioning into an ensemble show? The Tyrells are major figures. Stannis is still a major figure. Geoffrey is setting himself in opposition to his grandfather, so the Lannisters are starting to split into multiple factions. Littlefinger is building into a major player and Lord Bolton seems to be making moves as well. The war is spreading and becoming more chaotic, less good vs evil. People are trying to judge GoT now as if each season needs a full narrative arc, when the story doesn't necessarily lend itself to that structure. Also, I totally disagree that Season 2 can simply be summed up as Tyrion's rise and fall. Tyrion was a major plot arc but it's arguable that Season 2 was more about the fall of House Baratheon and the vengeance of House Stark than Tyrion. Which is why analyses like these tend to be rather futile. Plot progression is quite simply learning new details and events about the main narrative of the series, which is the Game of Thrones. Who is going to sit the Iron Throne when the dust settles? And there's been plenty of new information and events in Season 3 that affect who takes the throne. Anyone who argues otherwise has not been paying attention. To me, some of the biggest plot events have been the further cementing of an alliance between House Tyrell and Lannister. The loss of Jaime's hand and his possible death. The beheading of Karstark, which is a HUGE event. Just because there wasn't some huge bang-up battle doesn't mean it wasn't a massively important event. Robb Stark lost half his damned army with one stroke of his sword. That to me is way crazier than some random on-screen battle. The wildlings are confirmed crossing the wall. Daenerys gaining an army. How can one possibly say the plot hasn't moved forward? Jaime losing his hand didn't advance his plot in the slightest. He is still a prisoner, he is still being transported to King's Landing. They never really show anything about Robb's army and their advancement, so losing half of nothing is pretty insignificant from a TV show perspective. Plot wise his position has not changed much. He didn't have power to attack before, he still doesn't now. Daenerys gained an army, but we already knew she had dragons so power was never an issue. She is still in the exact same position plot wise as she was at the start of the season. In the East fapping around doing nothing. Bran has been traveling for fucking forever. Some randoms turn up, add no value and now they all just travel still going no where. If you haven't noticed the trend, despite some events changing their circumstances, everyone is still on the exact same course as they were at the start of the season. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:08 Conti wrote: All this makes it sound like you don't care one damn bit about character development. And in that case, this show might indeed not be the right choice for you. There was plenty of character development in seasons 1 and 2. Alongside with advancement of the plot. The two aren't mutually exclusive as many of you seem to think. It's quite clear they are milking the franchise that has proved to be successful. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
Don't get me wrong there's nothing I didn't enjoy about Oona or a couple whores messing with Theon but ... mbe more story next time. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:14 Emix_Squall wrote: Did they exchange script with 90210 for 1 episode? Don't get me wrong there's nothing I didn't enjoy about Oona or a couple whores messing with Theon but ... mbe more story next time. This episode was pretty much nothing but story. It was character development across the board. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
The titties and torture need not be so explicit but on the otherhand I don't mind naked girls and badass scenes. I'm already glad they blurred out the castration scene. the flaying scene of last episode was a bit too horrible for my taste. i don't like suffering. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
But still, did everyone else love the "attack attack" part? :D | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 14 2013 11:22 PrinceXizor wrote: To me the protagonists are the people that everyone pretty much can agree on to like. Davos, Tyrion, Selmy. IT just happens to be that those three people don't have any real power. There may be some usefulness to defining characters we can all agree to like, but that's just not the definition of protagonist. The protagonist is the character who makes the climax decision, and usually also makes the primary decisions within the main story arc up until that point. Protagonists can be good guys, but aren't always. Macbeth is a protagonist. So is Darth Vader (of the whole SW series). Tyrion was unambiguously the protagonist of last season. Taken as a whole, his arc defined the season. Sure, Stannis was important. So was Joffrey. So was Cersei. They were Tyrion's antagonists. Likewise, Ned was clearly the protagonist of the first season. Never mind that he was billed as such, his actions drove the actions of every other sub-plot. Every plot revolved around him, and the most important decisions were his. This season appears to have broken from the two season tradition of having the Hand be the protagonist, presumably because Tywin isn't going anywhere at the end of it. Instead, my guess is that Robb is the season protagonist, as other plots can be seen as revolving around him. However, he is a weaker protagonist than other season have had so far. I haven't read a word of the books, but my guess as to why is that this season is half of the third one. So the original plot is based around some character who will be our Season 4 protagonist, and Robb is the fill-in to try to give this season some thrust. | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On May 14 2013 16:52 foxmeep wrote: If you haven't noticed the trend, despite some events changing their circumstances, everyone is still on the exact same course as they were at the start of the season. Tyrion, Sansa, Jon, Cercei, Gendry, Arya would probably disagree with that assessment. Also yes there has been advancements in the greater scheme of things as well, mainly the new power struggle between Lannister and Tyrell in the capital, where before it was all about Lannister vs Stark. You are right though that Robb's situation isn't much different from season 2. Still the guy who wins battles against all odds and setbacks but doesn't have an idea how to turn that into winning his war. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
Noone has yet mentionned the most IMPORTANT part of this episode. When Osha starts getting mad at Jojen fo speaking with Bran all the time, she's first mumbling to herself than stares at Hodor for a few seconds and then it happens. Sharp eye, perfectly delivered line: "Hodor" ... I was expecting one of these in the season and was really happy to finally get it :D | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote: I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? Im gonna preserve this for posterity, will be fun to see if someone in this list dies =) | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 14 2013 11:19 SamsungStar wrote: Wouldn't it be more accurate to say then that it is now transitioning into an ensemble show? The Tyrells are major figures. Stannis is still a major figure. Geoffrey is setting himself in opposition to his grandfather, so the Lannisters are starting to split into multiple factions. Littlefinger is building into a major player and Lord Bolton seems to be making moves as well. The war is spreading and becoming more chaotic, less good vs evil. I think this is a temporary thing for this season, as explained above. I think next season will transition to a strong protagonist like previous seasons. On individuals mentioned: The Tyrell/Lannister thing is certainly interesting, and some meaningful changes have happened. There's an outside chance of Tywin ending up being the season protagonist, which I can imagine working. Stannis, however, hasn't made any particularly interesting decisions all season. Only 3, all minor, by my count. Both he and Joff have barely appeared on screen. Littlefinger is cool, and I think his day will come in time, but he hasn't been a driving force this season, just an accessory to the Lannisters. On May 14 2013 11:19 SamsungStar wrote: People are trying to judge GoT now as if each season needs a full narrative arc, when the story doesn't necessarily lend itself to that structure. Also, I totally disagree that Season 2 can simply be summed up as Tyrion's rise and fall. Tyrion was a major plot arc but it's arguable that Season 2 was more about the fall of House Baratheon and the vengeance of House Stark than Tyrion. What vengeance did House Stark get in Season 2? Or ever, really. And I think it makes the most sense to see Stannis as a major antagonist to Tyrion. And of course every season needs a narrative arc. Narrative arcs literally are story. No arc, no story, which is uninteresting. You can call it "plot development" or "character development" all you like, but it's story and you need it for... well, a story. On May 14 2013 11:19 SamsungStar wrote: To me, some of the biggest plot events have been the further cementing of an alliance between House Tyrell and Lannister. The loss of Jaime's hand and his possible death. The beheading of Karstark, which is a HUGE event. Just because there wasn't some huge bang-up battle doesn't mean it wasn't a massively important event. Robb Stark lost half his damned army with one stroke of his sword. That to me is way crazier than some random on-screen battle. The wildlings are confirmed crossing the wall. Daenerys gaining an army. How can one possibly say the plot hasn't moved forward? Agreed with all of this. | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On May 14 2013 18:14 Yoav wrote: What vengeance did House Stark get in Season 2? Or ever, really. And I think it makes the most sense to see Stannis as a major antagonist to Tyrion. And of course every season needs a narrative arc. Narrative arcs literally are story. No arc, no story, which is uninteresting. You can call it "plot development" or "character development" all you like, but it's story and you need it for... well, a story. Not true. Narrative arc is simply one structure for arranging story. It is not the end all be all of story-telling. You can have story without a narrative arc. You can have stories with deconstructed narrative arcs. And you absolutely cannot call plot development or character development narrative arc. There are other people in this thread misusing writing terms, not just you, but I don't want to be combative and chase them all down. Suffice to say, plot development, narrative arc, character development, and a season of TV are all four different things and should not be confused for each other. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:46 frontliner2 wrote: Funny how many people hate on this episode. I thought it was (one of the) best episodes of all seasons. Very deep, very subtle. The titties and torture need not be so explicit but on the otherhand I don't mind naked girls and badass scenes. I'm already glad they blurred out the castration scene. the flaying scene of last episode was a bit too horrible for my taste. i don't like suffering. Haha this could have been my post. Enjoyed ths episode probably most of all this season, minus the torture. And when I read that some people want things to go faster, or even a shorter season, I was like "Wat?". Really confusing to me. For my taste they could make episodes twice as long with the same content. | ||
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Neino
Norway295 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:14 foxmeep wrote: There was plenty of character development in seasons 1 and 2. Alongside with advancement of the plot. The two aren't mutually exclusive as many of you seem to think. It's quite clear they are milking the franchise that has proved to be successful. What.. It's based on something I'm not allowed to mention. The show isn't milking anything, they're following a set story <.< | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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