EPTAs for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2.
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czylu
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As for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:30 oGoZenob wrote: speaking of the mountain, why is he never on screen ? we're hearing about him every episode. Conan Stevens played the mountain in season one, but then went off to film the Hobbit films. The actor who played the Mountain in season two was not as good. This is purely speculation but they may be waiting for Stevens to become available again. Also, has there been a need to see the mountain? At the moment we imagine him ravaging the countryside and leaving a trail of headless horses. Seeing his pillaging might be a bit of a let down. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:25 czylu wrote: As for Syrio, his title is the First Sword of Braavos. I don't know what that means, Well its probably better than Second Sword of Braavos | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:25 czylu wrote: w/ regards the syrio fight, i think people are forgetting the human element in the fight. The 3 guards he shat on were lannister cloaks. That's the equivalent of a private security guard in modern terms. The guy he fought at the end, that's a Kingsguard(ie jaime lannister, a top tier swordsman). That's the secret service right there. 1 Kingsguard(like barristan selmy) could probably take out 3 lannister guards, even w/ a wooden sword. As for Syrio, his title is the First Sword of Braavos. I don't know what that means, but i'm definitely sure it's at least better or equal to Kingsguard. Him taking out 3 guys who barely know how to hold a sword w/ a wooden bat is very realistic to me. As for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2. I don't think there is a "best swordsman". However strong or or fast or skilled a knight may be, there are others who can match him. A man will win one tourney, and fall quickly in the next. A slick spot in the grass may mean defeat, or what you ate for supper the night before. A change of wind may bring the gift of victory. Or, - meaningful pause - a woman's favour knotted round an arm. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 03 2013 23:52 -Archangel- wrote: Fencing swords are pretty useless against armor. Yes, a real expert might find weak spots against untrained troops and defeat them (but they would defeat them with a wooden sword as well  ) but against a trained knight with any decent skill and good armor and a shield (not the kind that idiot used against Bronn in S1) he would die before the would kill the knight.In our world people only started using fencing swords when armors were no longer used. And armors were not used because of guns that ignored armor and took little skill to use compared to crossbows or bows so any peasant with little to no training could kill heavily armored knights. No guns so far means armor still rules the day and fencing swords are useless Not quite. 1) Arya's personal weapon is a small rapier, but the practice swords she and Syrio use suggest cut-and-thrust longswords. 2) Such longswords were developed as armor became tougher, preventing cutting blows from being effective, and were primarily designed to thrust between the cracks in armor. 3) Rapiers are a related weapon, and a development on this design, with the original same purpose. It was popular even in the age of armor, and was effective at striking the joints where holes in the armor existed. The etymology as “dress” sword is a myth. The word comes from rapidzo, the Greek for “to strike.” On Syrio's fighting prowess: We don't really know how he stacks up with the others, but in that fight he demonstrated himself among the most clever (other being Bronn). Holding the cloak, getting them to hit each other, tripping the last guy, Syrio's a bright guy. Also, he hit them hard, but at least three are still conscious and moving on the floor, trying to get up. | ||
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TotalNightmare
Germany139 Posts
What speaks against Syrio being Jaquen H'Gar btw? There is a good Chance that Syrio could have ended up in prison and then just used a good moment to shapeshift so he gets taken to the Night's Watch so he can get out. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:03 TotalNightmare wrote: I wouldn't be surprised that GRRM has secretly decided that Brienne is the best Fighter but it won't really matter since it is not likely that we will ever see all of them fight, and downright impossible that we see them fighting each other. What speaks against Syrio being Jaquen H'Gar btw? There is a good Chance that Syrio could have ended up in prison and then just used a good moment to shapeshift so he gets taken to the Night's Watch so he can get out. Considering they were killing everyone related to the Starks on sight I find it unlikely they would just arrest him, specially after humiliating several guards. The only way he could have survived was to win that fight, unless he changed his opinion on running away. It's still unlikely. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:07 SKC wrote: Considering they were killing everyone related to the Starks on sight I find it unlikely they would just arrest him, specially after humiliating several guards. The only way he could have survived was to win that fight, unless he changed his opinion on running away. It's still unlikely. Also Ser Meryn Trant's words to the Lannister footmen were: "Kill the Braavosi, bring the girl". It's possible he could change his mind (out of respect?) but from what we know about him it is highly unlikely he would spare the water dancer. | ||
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ecstazy
Russian Federation59 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:12 revoN wrote: Also Ser Meryn Trant's words to the Lannister footmen were: "Kill the Braavosi, bring the girl". It's possible he could change his mind (out of respect?) but from what we know about him it is highly unlikely he would spare the water dancer. Maybe he killed Trant and replaced him. Probably not given what Trant has done since (beating Sansa, etc.) My guess is Syrio disabled him and left. Would fulfill his honor obligation to not "run," since it's not running if you win, it's just leaving. And maybe he is Jaqen. Or maybe not. Hard to say. He's a faceless man. He could be anybody. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:07 SKC wrote: Considering they were killing everyone related to the Starks on sight I find it unlikely they would just arrest him, specially after humiliating several guards. The only way he could have survived was to win that fight, unless he changed his opinion on running away. It's still unlikely. Correct me if im wrong but isnt Syrio the only character that "died" offscreen? So far every somewhat important character got killed in a very clear manner. And every character that "died" offscreen got revealed to be alive a few(or a lot) episodes after (Bran and Rickon not being burned and hanged in Winterfell; Tyrion not being killed by the Lannister guard at the Battle of Blackwater; Davos still being alive after getting blown off his ship after the wilfire explosion; Berrick Danderrion(spelling?) not being killed by the mountain but being part of the BWB and getting resurrected a bunch) I also think that Syrio could have escaped after killing the last guard as he wasnt really on the lannister "hitlist". He only got in trouble after refusing to hand over Arya and noone besides the guards he fought knew about that. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I would love to see some retaliatory Braavosi force assassinating members of the royal family in order to get their money back. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm betting on Syrio being dead as well. I would love to see some retaliatory Braavosi force assassinating members of the royal family in order to get their money back. Tyrion seemed to think the Braavosi likely to simply fund their enemies. Maybe they'll bankroll Dany. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:26 Yoav wrote: Tyrion seemed to think the Braavosi likely to simply fund their enemies. Maybe they'll bankroll Dany. So she can buy even more slaves. :D | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:26 Yoav wrote: Tyrion seemed to think the Braavosi likely to simply fund their enemies. Maybe they'll bankroll Dany. Use funds to purchase Braavosi assassins. Or maybe Jaqen's only that good due to his shapeshifting, he can disguise himself as a Lannister guard or one of the nobles, get in, and then put in the knife. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
Tier 1 : Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane Tier 2 : Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie), Khal Drogo Tier 3 : Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:21 PerryHooter wrote: The way I understood things; Robb isn't looking for an independent north, he wants revenge and a few Lannister heads and then he'd like to withdraw to Winterfell and live peacefully under a better king, such as Stannis. Sure, he does make the propsal to the Lannisters (S2E1) that there can be peace if they acknowledge an independent North etc., but that's under the supposition that Joffrey remains king. Nothing in the show is indicating that Robb would refuse to be part of the kingdom under a different king, such as Stannis. The "king in the north"-shouting is for me just a way of Robb's men to declare loyalty, aswell as a way of opposing Joffrey's rule. If Robb sat down with Stannis, I feel they could have an alliance on terms similar to that of Ned and Robert vs The Mad King, i.e. that Stannis becomes king and Robb rules the north as part of the seven kingdoms. After all, Robb's main reason for going south was revenge. It seems awfully greedy of him to all of a sudden wanting an independent north. he wasn't interested in independence until great john, rickard karstark, etc... pushed him in the direction of becoming king of the north. But i think he would give up that title in a heartbeat after joffrey is deposed and the lannisters taken down a notch, and of course after a good king were placed on the Iron throne. Stannis is more interested in doing things right(whats right in his mind) than doing the smart thing, and he suffers greatly for this. | ||
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