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Russian Federation59 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote:
So who are the best fighters or were the best fighters the moment they die in my opinion:
Tier 1 :
Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane
Tier 2 :
Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie)
Tier 3 :
Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar
How is Jaqen tier 3? He wiped out a castle by himself. I'm pretty sure he'd win against anyone.
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On May 04 2013 06:42 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote:
So who are the best fighters or were the best fighters the moment they die in my opinion:
Tier 1 :
Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane
Tier 2 :
Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie)
Tier 3 :
Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar How is Jaqen tier 3? He wiped out a castle by himself. I'm pretty sure he'd win against anyone.
He only killed 2 or 3 men I think and aside from his tricks I don't see him winning against people from tier 2 or 1
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He's not really a straight up fighter though, unlike the others. And where do you think he wiped out a castle? He killed 3 men for Arya, and then left. If you're talking about Harrenhal, that would've been gregor clegane abandoning the place before Robb showed up.
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On May 04 2013 06:48 Soan wrote:
He's not really a straight up fighter though, unlike the others. And where do you think he wiped out a castle? He killed 3 men for Arya, and then left. If you're talking about Harrenhal, that would've been gregor clegane abandoning the place before Robb showed up.
He killed 2 and then eliminated all the guards because Arya would make him commit suicide if he didn't
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On May 04 2013 06:42 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote:
So who are the best fighters or were the best fighters the moment they die in my opinion:
Tier 1 :
Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane
Tier 2 :
Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie)
Tier 3 :
Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar How is Jaqen tier 3? He wiped out a castle by himself. I'm pretty sure he'd win against anyone.
Why isnt the knight of the flower in there ? Loras Tyrel.
Tier 1 are
Barristan Selmy (when he was young)
Jamie lannister (when he had his hand, was cut of 1 epidose before)
Loras Tyrel (Knight of the Flower)
Greog Clegane is just big brute and not that good of a fighter in my opinion, even Sandor is better than him in my opinion.
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Russian Federation59 Posts
On May 04 2013 07:05 Holy_AT wrote:
Why isnt the knight of the flower in there ? Loras Tyrel.
Tier 1 are
Barristan Selmy (when he was young)
Jamie lannister (when he had his hand, was cut of 1 epidose before)
Loras Tyrel (Knight of the Flower)
Greog Clegane is just big brute and not that good of a fighter in my opinion, even Sandor is better than him in my opinion.
Loras lost to Brienne in season 2. He is good but not tier 1 good.
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Russian Federation59 Posts
On May 04 2013 06:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 06:48 Soan wrote:
He's not really a straight up fighter though, unlike the others. And where do you think he wiped out a castle? He killed 3 men for Arya, and then left. If you're talking about Harrenhal, that would've been gregor clegane abandoning the place before Robb showed up. He killed 2 and then eliminated all the guards because Arya would make him commit suicide if he didn't
Yeah that's what I thought. Its seemed like he killed all the guards. Arya walked out through the main door and nobody stopped her.
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On May 04 2013 07:05 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 06:42 ecstazy wrote:On May 04 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote:
So who are the best fighters or were the best fighters the moment they die in my opinion:
Tier 1 :
Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane
Tier 2 :
Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie)
Tier 3 :
Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar How is Jaqen tier 3? He wiped out a castle by himself. I'm pretty sure he'd win against anyone. Why isnt the knight of the flower in there ? Loras Tyrel. Tier 1 are Barristan Selmy (when he was young) Jamie lannister (when he had his hand, was cut of 1 epidose before) Loras Tyrel (Knight of the Flower) Greog Clegane is just big brute and not that good of a fighter in my opinion, even Sandor is better than him in my opinion.
If you listen to the video of Sandor's actor that's been posted a couple times here, he includes some lines that weren't in the show. Most importantly that Gregor didn't kill the knight in the joust by accident, that his lance 'goes where [he] wants it to'. He's not simply a wild brute, he's implied to have great proficiency alongside immense strength and size. He is, as Robb mentioned, quite unstrategic, though.
Loras disarmed Brienne before being tackled, so you can draw all sorts of conclusions from that - a one-off tourney fight. They're both clearly pretty good.
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If we go by past performances, even that fits in the show Khal Drogo should be tier 1. Before he died.
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On May 04 2013 06:42 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote:
So who are the best fighters or were the best fighters the moment they die in my opinion:
Tier 1 :
Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane
Tier 2 :
Jamie Lannister, Jeor Mormont (can you lift someone with 1 hand after being stabbed?), Sandor Clegane, Eddard Stark, Thoros of Myr (he has powers and was a hero of the Greyjoy rebellion with his flame sword mentioned by Jamie)
Tier 3 :
Brienne of Tarth, Jorah Mormont, Bronn, Beric Dondarrion, Stannis Baratheon, Robert Baratheon (guessing, he was old and fat), Syrio Forel, Yoren, Jaqen H'ghar How is Jaqen tier 3? He wiped out a castle by himself. I'm pretty sure he'd win against anyone.
He's an assassin, not a fighter. He shouldn't be on the list at all.
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On May 04 2013 07:25 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
If we go by past performances, even that fits in the show Khal Drogo should be tier 1. Before he died.
Yes I forgot him and I think he is tier 2.
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Tier 0.
Dragons!!!
Tier 1.
Brienne, Jaime, Barristan, Loras (roughly that order)
Tier 2
Who cares
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On May 04 2013 04:44 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 04:25 czylu wrote:
w/ regards the syrio fight, i think people are forgetting the human element in the fight. The 3 guards he shat on were lannister cloaks. That's the equivalent of a private security guard in modern terms. The guy he fought at the end, that's a Kingsguard(ie jaime lannister, a top tier swordsman). That's the secret service right there. 1 Kingsguard(like barristan selmy) could probably take out 3 lannister guards, even w/ a wooden sword. As for Syrio, his title is the First Sword of Braavos. I don't know what that means, but i'm definitely sure it's at least better or equal to Kingsguard. Him taking out 3 guys who barely know how to hold a sword w/ a wooden bat is very realistic to me.
As for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2. I don't think there is a "best swordsman". However strong or or fast or skilled a knight may be, there are others who can match him. A man will win one tourney, and fall quickly in the next. A slick spot in the grass may mean defeat, or what you ate for supper the night before. A change of wind may bring the gift of victory. Or, - meaningful pause - a woman's favour knotted round an arm.
Your tiers make no sense, as you have no way of comparing...
This shouldn't be news to SC2 players, but you can't compare the quality of competitors that easily...
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On May 04 2013 08:54 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 04:44 kafkaesque wrote:On May 04 2013 04:25 czylu wrote:
w/ regards the syrio fight, i think people are forgetting the human element in the fight. The 3 guards he shat on were lannister cloaks. That's the equivalent of a private security guard in modern terms. The guy he fought at the end, that's a Kingsguard(ie jaime lannister, a top tier swordsman). That's the secret service right there. 1 Kingsguard(like barristan selmy) could probably take out 3 lannister guards, even w/ a wooden sword. As for Syrio, his title is the First Sword of Braavos. I don't know what that means, but i'm definitely sure it's at least better or equal to Kingsguard. Him taking out 3 guys who barely know how to hold a sword w/ a wooden bat is very realistic to me.
As for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2. I don't think there is a "best swordsman". However strong or or fast or skilled a knight may be, there are others who can match him. A man will win one tourney, and fall quickly in the next. A slick spot in the grass may mean defeat, or what you ate for supper the night before. A change of wind may bring the gift of victory. Or, - meaningful pause - a woman's favour knotted round an arm. Your tiers make no sense, as you have no way of comparing... This shouldn't be news to SC2 players, but you can't compare the quality of competitors that easily...
Not to mention that different styles of fighting match up better against others. Any random skilled archer is probably going to beat Gregor Clegane near 100% of the time.
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On May 04 2013 08:56 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 08:54 kafkaesque wrote:On May 04 2013 04:44 kafkaesque wrote:On May 04 2013 04:25 czylu wrote:
w/ regards the syrio fight, i think people are forgetting the human element in the fight. The 3 guards he shat on were lannister cloaks. That's the equivalent of a private security guard in modern terms. The guy he fought at the end, that's a Kingsguard(ie jaime lannister, a top tier swordsman). That's the secret service right there. 1 Kingsguard(like barristan selmy) could probably take out 3 lannister guards, even w/ a wooden sword. As for Syrio, his title is the First Sword of Braavos. I don't know what that means, but i'm definitely sure it's at least better or equal to Kingsguard. Him taking out 3 guys who barely know how to hold a sword w/ a wooden bat is very realistic to me.
As for the best swordsman in the series, it's been referred to many times that it's Gregor Clegane, the guy that chopped a horse in 2. I don't think there is a "best swordsman". However strong or or fast or skilled a knight may be, there are others who can match him. A man will win one tourney, and fall quickly in the next. A slick spot in the grass may mean defeat, or what you ate for supper the night before. A change of wind may bring the gift of victory. Or, - meaningful pause - a woman's favour knotted round an arm. Your tiers make no sense, as you have no way of comparing... This shouldn't be news to SC2 players, but you can't compare the quality of competitors that easily... Not to mention that different styles of fighting match up better against others. Any random skilled archer is probably going to beat Gregor Clegane near 100% of the time.
Gregor has a better chance against archers than most since he has 2x the armor and a kiteshield.
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Where is it said that either Clegane are good swordsmen?
Don't know why I bother, the entire discussion is rather silly tbh. As someone said, a new episode is sorely needed lol.
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I think Jaime will become just as good with his left hand as his chopped off right hand. Remember the story Tywin told Arya about how Jaime had a reading disability but he still fought through it and learned how to read. I expect the same with his left hand.
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On May 04 2013 10:10 TeePee wrote:
I think Jaime will become just as good with his left hand as his chopped off right hand. Remember the story Tywin told Arya about how Jaime had a reading disability but he still fought through it and learned how to read. I expect the same with his left hand.
Jaime was forced to do it lol. Not to mention having trouble reading is a lot different from losing your dominant hand.
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Bronn is a pretty good fighter, he's ranked a bit low. Sure he's a merc and he fights in non-standard ways, but he's an awesome fighter as far as you can tell from the show.
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Isn't Braavos supposed to be the richest city in the world or something? If Syrio came from there and was considered their best fighter, I would have to pick him in a swordfight against anyone from Westeros. Anyone who's considered the strongest in a city full of shapeshifting assassins must be legit.
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