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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On May 04 2013 02:58 Slayer91 wrote: having been hit with a wooden sword before, it cant happen My father has done autopsies on individuals struck dead with a single blow to the head from a wooden post. It is most certainly believable that Syrio knocked these dudes out with a wooden sword, and it is even believable that they suffered a fair degree of blunt force trauma. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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moopie
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:02 SKC wrote: It's not the sort of fight that really needs to be plausible. It also has the issue of NPCs sucking too much compared to named characters. It feels kinda odd for Syrio to have easily defeated 4 amored and armed opponents with such ease and then having such a hard time fighting against a single knight that as far as we know isn't exceptionally skilled. You can't nitpick these kind of things too much, it's just a show. It's also hard to measure their skill because of it. well he blocked the first few blows from the knight easily. and it wasn't until the knight got a full grip on the sword that there was a problem. and syrio barely seemed phased once he got his hilt back. and the fact that the knight cautiously went in even after that showed the respect he gave syrio with that little thing. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:02 farvacola wrote: My father has done autopsies on individuals struck dead with a single blow to the head from a wooden post. It is most certainly believable that Syrio knocked these dudes out with a wooden sword, and it is even believable that they suffered a fair degree of blunt force trauma. You mean like a fencing post? Those things are a lot heavier and presumably he was knocked into it or something. (also if its stuck in the ground, theres more resistance so you come to rest faster, so its a bigger impact, knocking your head into a stacked block isnt the same as knocking your head into a wall) I'm pretty sure we don't have people getting killed by a single hit of a baseball bat regularly do we? (knocked out sure, but even then its a lot better clubbing weapon that the wooden stick syrio used, and with 2 hands and with bigger stronger guys) | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:02 farvacola wrote: My father has done autopsies on individuals struck dead with a single blow to the head from a wooden post. It is most certainly believable that Syrio knocked these dudes out with a wooden sword, and it is even believable that they suffered a fair degree of blunt force trauma. oh damn were those men your father did autopsies for gold cloaks with elite armor? | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
On May 04 2013 02:33 Slayer91 wrote: I just remember 3 knights coming in and arya running away, didn't remember him beasting 2 dudes with a wooden sword. Completely unrealistic that a little tiny short dude with 1 hand and a wooden sword can knock out people in massive armour 1 hit though. About as realistic as dragons and ancient dead people rising from the dead to wipe out all life? It is a fantasy world  And they're just badly hurt, the soldiers are rolling around at the end moaning not unconscious. If you can knock someone out with your fists, you can knock someone out with a wood stick. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:07 biology]major wrote: oh damn were those men your father did autopsies for gold cloaks with elite armor? Neither were the men that syrio knocked out (they were wearing cheap lannister helms and lannister armor), we know the helms are cheap because of a comment tyrion made before the battle that he brought the hill tribes into. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:13 biology]major wrote: well obviously the guy who got hit to the head could have been knocked out, but the rest was stupidly unrealistic(which is fine because Syrio is a badass). I just find it interesting that this is even an argument lol the full blow to the head, and the hit that caused the guys head to wrench upwards clearly could cause damage, the other guy getting hit with the tip of a steel sword caused damage, the guy syrio hugged to death, thats kind of odd. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
I mean if blows to the head from a sword knocked people out nobody would wear helmets because you're basically dead if you get hit in the head anyway lol | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:07 biology]major wrote: oh damn were those men your father did autopsies for gold cloaks with elite armor? The point is that injury and physical harm can be caused in seemingly implausible ways, and this happens in real life all the time. Given that, Syrio's potential to harm knights in armor is very real. On May 04 2013 03:19 Slayer91 wrote: I'm not completely sure about the physics of it we need fight science to test the impacts of various weapons given the same force or something but I'm pretty sure the weight distribution and weight of the sword has a massive negative impact on the knockout potential. (people hit you with the hilt to knock you out - less leverage and bigger weight) I mean if blows to the head from a sword knocked people out nobody would wear helmets because you're basically dead if you get hit in the head anyway lol Not all blows to the head are created equal. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:08 PrinceXizor wrote: If a helmet cant adequately dampen the blow from a simple wooden sword then its worse than cheap, its made of a metal so fantastically incompetent it doesnt exist in reality, and couldnt conceivably have any use but to trick lannister men into believing their safe in battle as a sadistic ploy.Neither were the men that syrio knocked out (they were wearing cheap lannister helms and lannister armor), we know the helms are cheap because of a comment tyrion made before the battle that he brought the hill tribes into. On May 04 2013 03:20 farvacola wrote: The point was never established, however. All we know is that wood can injure someone, in some situation. We knew that before the son of the doctor told us it. What we dont know, and what beggars belief, is that a knights armour and helmet could be so futilely useless that they could be substantially injured by something far less dense than a baseball bat [realistically the sword was essentially a stick].The point is that injury and physical harm can be caused in seemingly implausible ways, and this happens in real life all the time. Given that, Syrio's potential to harm knights in armor is very real. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:19 Slayer91 wrote: I mean if blows to the head from a sword knocked people out nobody would wear helmets because you're basically dead if you get hit in the head anyway lol To be honest helmets don't really prevent injuries from direct blows. they just protect against glancing blows. which are more likely in battles and less likely in duels (to death). a skilled swordsman can avoid making those glancing blows against less skilled opponents provided that its a duel-like scenario, and not a chaotic fight. or obviously with an opening. this is why so many sword-fighters duck or sword and shield fighters use their shield to block direct blows to the head as a priority. On May 04 2013 03:22 Dazed_Spy wrote: The point was never established, however. All we know is that wood can injure someone, in some situation. We knew that before the son of the doctor told us it. What we dont know, and what beggars belief, is that a knights armour and helmet could be so futilely useless that they could be substantially injured by something far less dense than a baseball bat [realistically the sword was essentially a stick]. practice swords are heavy 2-3 pounds, and baseball bats are 2 pounds. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:24 PrinceXizor wrote: To be honest helmets don't really prevent injuries from direct blows. they just protect against glancing blows. which are more likely in battles and less likely in duels (to death). a skilled swordsman can avoid making those glancing blows against less skilled opponents provided that its a duel-like scenario, and not a chaotic fight. or obviously with an opening. Precisely. If Syrio is indeed a master of the sword, it is very possible that he knows at what angle and velocity he needs to hit an armored man with a wooden sword in order to do damage. Scientific tests would only be so useful here, because we are talking about an application of skill that is difficult to measure. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
against a stabbing attack I don't think it helps much however | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:27 Slayer91 wrote: I'm pretty sure a helmet helps against any kind of slashing attack, it doesn't help against head trauma but might help your skull not being sliced off against a stabbing attack I don't think it helps much however nah even plate armor barely protects against estocs or rapiers (like needle), both are used for water dancing. (with regards to stabbing attacks.) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
DnD alignments? Who's the best swordsman? Can you knock someone out with a solid wooden bat? Is the First Sword of Bravoos actually unskilled? How many men does Robb have (again)? About time for the next episode! | ||
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