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nakam
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden245 Posts
May 01 2013 21:03 GMT
#15041
Cercei: "My father apperciates facts."
Lord Baelish: "Myself, I often find them a hindrance."

Best quote from last episode.
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ecstazy
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation59 Posts
May 01 2013 22:12 GMT
#15042
On May 02 2013 05:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Actually, pushing Bran really wasnt evil. I mean clearly it was an immoral action, but I think the evil of hurting a child is outweighed in this case by what it avoids. If Bran didnt die [or at least lost his memory] he would expose Jaimes incest. Which means his three children would be put to death, who are innocents in all this, and his sister and himself would be branded traitors. Thus sparking a civil war against the Lannisters, resulting, ultimately, in his death, his brothers death, his father and his sisters, nevermind the tens of thousands from combat and disease. I'd of pushed the fucker out the window too.


That's a bit far just for keeping him quiet, don't you think? I believe there is a scene in season 1 where cersei and jaime themselves agree that pushing him was a bad idea. At least Cersei definitely stated that she could have tried to reason with Bran instead.
awaller
Profile Joined February 2012
United States23 Posts
May 01 2013 22:26 GMT
#15043
On May 02 2013 05:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 04:33 frontliner2 wrote:
On May 02 2013 00:20 Dfgj wrote:
On May 01 2013 23:46 Golondrin wrote:
After all that he pushed Bran, killed Ned's men just to make a point, killed Kastark son and even his own nephew.

Killing Karstark's son doesn't make him a bad person. They're at war. Osha killed men to break Bran/Rickon out - that's not treachery, it's bravery. The 'point' he was making by killing Ned's men was 'you're kidnapping and trying to execute my innocent brother, what the fuck'. Pushing Bran, on the other hand, is a hideous act - but not because he's a monstrous person so much as because he's not very subtle where his passions come into it. As he said to Cersei later, he'd kill anyone that threatened to come between them.

Killing the cousin is an act that doesn't seem to fit him, because it comes out of nowhere, is never mentioned again, and was entirely unnecessary.

Not a good person, but his dishonorable attributes are being redeemed heavily: respect for opponents, upholding of vows (remember all the others, to obey one's father and protect the innocent).


Was it really his cousin? Or was it some relative being a Lannister like a cousin of a cousin or something like that? Still a horrible move. But perhaps he knew he was more important a Lannister and decided to free himself because it would be better for the Lannisters?

The only thing I really hate him for is pushing Bran that was evil...
Actually, pushing Bran really wasnt evil. I mean clearly it was an immoral action, but I think the evil of hurting a child is outweighed in this case by what it avoids. If Bran didnt die [or at least lost his memory] he would expose Jaimes incest. Which means his three children would be put to death, who are innocents in all this, and his sister and himself would be branded traitors. Thus sparking a civil war against the Lannisters, resulting, ultimately, in his death, his brothers death, his father and his sisters, nevermind the tens of thousands from combat and disease. I'd of pushed the fucker out the window too.

Evil


1

a: morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse>

b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation>
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
May 01 2013 22:53 GMT
#15044
The editing for the sword fight scene was abysmal. I really hope the other sword scenes aren't as bad as that one cos you couldn't even tell what was going on for the most part.
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 01 2013 23:00 GMT
#15045
On May 02 2013 07:53 Aegon I wrote:
The editing for the sword fight scene was abysmal. I really hope the other sword scenes aren't as bad as that one cos you couldn't even tell what was going on for the most part.

i thought they did that on purpose, since its in a dark cave and one of the two fighters is freaking out 'cuz the other one has a flaming sword (which, I thought was poorly done too. You'd think that if you spend your days fighting people with a flaming stick youd know how to use it to burn it or something, by locking guards more frequently. instead it looked like they had two hammers trying to hammer each other. if you are going to do that, why not get a real hammer?)
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 01 2013 23:06 GMT
#15046
On May 01 2013 23:32 Sent. wrote:
But they're using short spears, not long pikes. I'm not an expert but I think heavy cavalry can crush light spearmen easily.

Yea, the unsullied are basically armed the way Athens/Sparta era ancient greeks were. The lances of knights will actually outrange their own. I dont know why the creators didnt just give them long pikes to make them look like the best European mercenaries of the middle ages- the swiss pike- OR if you want to go the route of slave-elites then makes them look like Jannisaries/Mameluks, with personal preference towards Jannisaries because they have hilarious hats.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
May 01 2013 23:09 GMT
#15047
On May 02 2013 08:00 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 07:53 Aegon I wrote:
The editing for the sword fight scene was abysmal. I really hope the other sword scenes aren't as bad as that one cos you couldn't even tell what was going on for the most part.

i thought they did that on purpose, since its in a dark cave and one of the two fighters is freaking out 'cuz the other one has a flaming sword (which, I thought was poorly done too. You'd think that if you spend your days fighting people with a flaming stick youd know how to use it to burn it or something, by locking guards more frequently. instead it looked like they had two hammers trying to hammer each other. if you are going to do that, why not get a real hammer?)


Real swordsmanship involves precious few "locks." Disengaging for advantage is one of the very first things new fencers are taught. Close quarters, which is what the "locks" in movies tend to depict, is very hard to press a competent fencer into against their will. Especially if they were are strong and fast as the Hound.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 01 2013 23:15 GMT
#15048
On May 02 2013 08:09 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:00 Sub40APM wrote:
On May 02 2013 07:53 Aegon I wrote:
The editing for the sword fight scene was abysmal. I really hope the other sword scenes aren't as bad as that one cos you couldn't even tell what was going on for the most part.

i thought they did that on purpose, since its in a dark cave and one of the two fighters is freaking out 'cuz the other one has a flaming sword (which, I thought was poorly done too. You'd think that if you spend your days fighting people with a flaming stick youd know how to use it to burn it or something, by locking guards more frequently. instead it looked like they had two hammers trying to hammer each other. if you are going to do that, why not get a real hammer?)


Real swordsmanship involves precious few "locks." Disengaging for advantage is one of the very first things new fencers are taught. Close quarters, which is what the "locks" in movies tend to depict, is very hard to press a competent fencer into against their will. Especially if they were are strong and fast as the Hound.

real swordsman dont have magical fireblades, and fencers are armed with light weapons, not two handed swords. At least in the historical sword fighting manuals I've seen, once there is an engagement both fighters move in relatively close to each other when armed with a two handed sword. There is no darting in and out like a fencing foil because your weapon is too heavy for that.
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
May 01 2013 23:17 GMT
#15049
what would you pick as you house sigil and words???

For me:

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"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
May 01 2013 23:22 GMT
#15050
On May 02 2013 08:06 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 23:32 Sent. wrote:
But they're using short spears, not long pikes. I'm not an expert but I think heavy cavalry can crush light spearmen easily.

Yea, the unsullied are basically armed the way Athens/Sparta era ancient greeks were. The lances of knights will actually outrange their own. I dont know why the creators didnt just give them long pikes to make them look like the best European mercenaries of the middle ages- the swiss pike- OR if you want to go the route of slave-elites then makes them look like Jannisaries/Mameluks, with personal preference towards Jannisaries because they have hilarious hats.

In the first episode of the season, the seller says how they're trained in "the shortsword, the shield, and the three spears." Don't assume the spear and shield they hold is the only thing they wield. I could make up reasons as to why the army is only showed with one type of weapon, but I think it is just because it looks cool to see them all have the exact same uniform and because $$$
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 23:24:51
May 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#15051
Sounds like a mix/match of roman and greek tactics. (mostly greek, but the shortsword and the formations just watching them march and absolute discipline philosophy seems very roman)
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 01 2013 23:29 GMT
#15052
The dragons can take care of the cavalry and the unsullied will do the rest. Kinda pointless to go into what can beat what in real life, when this is a fantasy series..
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 23:37:20
May 01 2013 23:34 GMT
#15053
On May 02 2013 08:29 Thor.Rush wrote:
The dragons can take care of the cavalry and the unsullied will do the rest. Kinda pointless to go into what can beat what in real life, when this is a fantasy series..



Yeah also I seem to recall in one of the earlier episodes, that harrenhal is black because a single dragon sacked the city in the old times. Is that true or am I mixing up lore? If that's the case 3 big dragons should be GG for dany.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 23:50:37
May 01 2013 23:47 GMT
#15054
From the S2 BluRay extras, there were short videos about 2-5min in length talking about the olden times and the takeover by the Targ's and the ousting of the Mad King. It was just narration from the characters with artwork being shown in the background telling the history of the world.

They said 1 dragon can take out 4k+ people with his fire alone with ease. So if she has 8k+ soldiers on the ground and the equivalent of 12k+ in the form of dragons. I think she could very easily take down the armies of Westeros if she gains any more troops along the way and then when she first lands and maybe gets more support from old friends.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 02 2013 00:02 GMT
#15055
On May 02 2013 08:34 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:29 Thor.Rush wrote:
The dragons can take care of the cavalry and the unsullied will do the rest. Kinda pointless to go into what can beat what in real life, when this is a fantasy series..



Yeah also I seem to recall in one of the earlier episodes, that harrenhal is black because a single dragon sacked the city in the old times. Is that true or am I mixing up lore? If that's the case 3 big dragons should be GG for dany.

I think you can find an answer for this in some of those extras from DVDs or from HBO site. I don't want to say anything here because I would need to use my book knowledge.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 02 2013 00:17 GMT
#15056
On May 02 2013 09:02 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:34 crms wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:29 Thor.Rush wrote:
The dragons can take care of the cavalry and the unsullied will do the rest. Kinda pointless to go into what can beat what in real life, when this is a fantasy series..



Yeah also I seem to recall in one of the earlier episodes, that harrenhal is black because a single dragon sacked the city in the old times. Is that true or am I mixing up lore? If that's the case 3 big dragons should be GG for dany.

I think you can find an answer for this in some of those extras from DVDs or from HBO site. I don't want to say anything here because I would need to use my book knowledge.

Arya talks about harrenhals fall as well as the lannisters in the show. It was built to withhold any attack, and a dragon burned it to the ground, dragonfire melting rock.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 07:00:38
May 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#15057
Man, I just realized how similar (and different) Robb's execution of Karstark is with Theon's execution of Ser Rodrik. They both did it to prevent losing the respect of their men The music and weather are the same...
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
May 02 2013 07:11 GMT
#15058
On May 02 2013 08:00 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 07:53 Aegon I wrote:
The editing for the sword fight scene was abysmal. I really hope the other sword scenes aren't as bad as that one cos you couldn't even tell what was going on for the most part.

i thought they did that on purpose, since its in a dark cave and one of the two fighters is freaking out 'cuz the other one has a flaming sword (which, I thought was poorly done too. You'd think that if you spend your days fighting people with a flaming stick youd know how to use it to burn it or something, by locking guards more frequently. instead it looked like they had two hammers trying to hammer each other. if you are going to do that, why not get a real hammer?)


Exactly. I thought it was well done.
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
May 02 2013 07:15 GMT
#15059
On May 02 2013 16:00 Kishin2 wrote:
Man, I just realized how similar (and different) Robb's execution of Karstark is with Theon's execution of Ser Rodrik. They both did it to prevent losing the respect of their men The music and weather are the same...


Was it the same music? Didn't notice, but that's clever.
SergioCQH
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
May 02 2013 07:23 GMT
#15060
Cavalry depend upon weakening enemy infantry morale. The Unsullied have unshakeable morale, and can withstand any cavalry charge.
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