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On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line.
Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets.
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On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition.
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On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride.
Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him.
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On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them...
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On April 20 2013 08:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them...
At this point, I'm fairly convinced that every 2nd or 3rd sentence out of Littlefinger's mouth is a lie. If he's really so in love with Catelyn, why is he working directly for the people who are in direct conflict with her? Given how he's basically the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms in many ways (Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules), his behavior seems really odd. Hell, it's rather strange that he's giving up his position for an attempt at wooing Lysa Arryn, even if he's successful, he's not going to be the Lord of the Vale, but merely it's protector until Robert Arryn comes of age, and it's unlikely that the Lords of the Vale are going to look kindly on dear Petyr.
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On April 20 2013 08:27 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them... At this point, I'm fairly convinced that every 2nd or 3rd sentence out of Littlefinger's mouth is a lie. If he's really so in love with Catelyn, why is he working directly for the people who are in direct conflict with her? Given how he's basically the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms in many ways (Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules), his behavior seems really odd. Hell, it's rather strange that he's giving up his position for an attempt at wooing Lysa Arryn, even if he's successful, he's not going to be the Lord of the Vale, but merely it's protector until Robert Arryn comes of age, and it's unlikely that the Lords of the Vale are going to look kindly on dear Petyr.
Well he at least has some influence there cause when Tyrion went on his spy hunt he wanted him to marry Myrcella (?) to Lysas Son (admittedly this was a lie but he bought it). So I guess there is something.
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On April 20 2013 08:27 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them... At this point, I'm fairly convinced that every 2nd or 3rd sentence out of Littlefinger's mouth is a lie. If he's really so in love with Catelyn, why is he working directly for the people who are in direct conflict with her? Given how he's basically the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms in many ways (Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules), his behavior seems really odd. Hell, it's rather strange that he's giving up his position for an attempt at wooing Lysa Arryn, even if he's successful, he's not going to be the Lord of the Vale, but merely it's protector until Robert Arryn comes of age, and it's unlikely that the Lords of the Vale are going to look kindly on dear Petyr.
lol that kid is like 9 and is still sucking his mommy's titties. fuck him, fuck what he thinks. hes just a tool. he even looked border line retarded when they showed him.
I guess LF can pull his strings. As long as hes got milky boobies not too far.
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On April 20 2013 08:54 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:27 Whitewing wrote:On April 20 2013 08:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them... At this point, I'm fairly convinced that every 2nd or 3rd sentence out of Littlefinger's mouth is a lie. If he's really so in love with Catelyn, why is he working directly for the people who are in direct conflict with her? Given how he's basically the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms in many ways (Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules), his behavior seems really odd. Hell, it's rather strange that he's giving up his position for an attempt at wooing Lysa Arryn, even if he's successful, he's not going to be the Lord of the Vale, but merely it's protector until Robert Arryn comes of age, and it's unlikely that the Lords of the Vale are going to look kindly on dear Petyr. Well he at least has some influence there cause when Tyrion went on his spy hunt he wanted him to marry Myrcella (?) to Lysas Son (admittedly this was a lie but he bought it). So I guess there is something.
And Maester Pycelle has influence with Dorne? I don't think that had anything to do with the reason Tyrion went to him in this fashion, more so that it made it seem more believable to Baelish.
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On April 20 2013 09:00 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 08:54 Doppelganger wrote:On April 20 2013 08:27 Whitewing wrote:On April 20 2013 08:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 08:06 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 08:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:On April 20 2013 07:54 Dfgj wrote:On April 20 2013 07:42 Sub40APM wrote: Maybe Tyrion resents his brother for being everything Tyrion isnt and also because his dad loves Jaimie so much. He's still the man Tyrion calls for when his life is on the line. Love or hate, he knows Jaime can fight, and I doubt Tyrion likes losing bets. Why would resent, or for that matter, trusting him in a life/death situation even play into a betting match on jousting at all? Resent is an emotional without relevance to a bet. No one jousts in a life/death situation [i.e trial of combat] nor is a regular sporting joust a fight to the death. Tyrions his brother and could easily have had intimate information. Jaime was drunk off his ass the night before- drinking with Tyrion- Jaime is bad against a particular lancing style, and wouldnt you know? Tyrion happens to know Loras uses that style. Jaime lost his lucky hankercheif and he'll be distracted. On and on theres explainable reasons for a brother to bet against his brother in a sporting competition. Nothing of what we've seen of Jaime suggests he isn't out there to crush tournaments as a matter of pride. Suggesting some insider information is possible, admittedly, but hugely speculative and far less likely than Littlefinger having lied about his story. He did tell you not to trust him. He lied to the women he loves, when she would eventually be able to discern the truth? I'd imagine private bets between Lords is actually ye know...both common, and the information is widespread. Youd hear most things from personal court rivalries. I think Littlefinger was just prodding them in a direction he wanted using authentic information. Lies usually have truth in them... At this point, I'm fairly convinced that every 2nd or 3rd sentence out of Littlefinger's mouth is a lie. If he's really so in love with Catelyn, why is he working directly for the people who are in direct conflict with her? Given how he's basically the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms in many ways (Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules), his behavior seems really odd. Hell, it's rather strange that he's giving up his position for an attempt at wooing Lysa Arryn, even if he's successful, he's not going to be the Lord of the Vale, but merely it's protector until Robert Arryn comes of age, and it's unlikely that the Lords of the Vale are going to look kindly on dear Petyr. Well he at least has some influence there cause when Tyrion went on his spy hunt he wanted him to marry Myrcella (?) to Lysas Son (admittedly this was a lie but he bought it). So I guess there is something. And Maester Pycelle has influence with Dorne? I don't think that had anything to do with the reason Tyrion went to him in this fashion, more so that it made it seem more believable to Baelish.
Well, at least he expected Littlefinger to broker the agreement himself (with a mentally deranged person and Littlefinger believed he could do it). Pycelle was only told that he had struck a deal with the Dornish.
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I was rewatching (again ) and I was hoping something about the scene of the funeral pyre at the end of season 1.
3 living people went on the funeral pyre, Drogo, Daenerys and the witch. 3 Dragons hatched. Wouldn't it be cool if each of the dragons has the personality and strength of 1 of those 3 people? For example a very strong physical dragon from Drogo's soul, larger than the other 2 and a real fighter. A blood magic dragon from the witchs soul, who can't be trusted And a dragon who's fire and fireresist excels compared to the other 2 from Daenerys, probably also her favorite.
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On April 21 2013 00:25 Zandar wrote: 3 living people went on the funeral pyre, Drogo, Daenerys and the witch. Drogo wasn't alive. Dany smothered him with a pillow beforehand.
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On April 21 2013 00:25 Zandar wrote:
A blood magic dragon from the witchs soul, who can't be trusted
I lold at that. Douche dragon will toast you instead of your enemies if you turn your head the other way, lol.
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On April 21 2013 00:35 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 00:25 Zandar wrote:
A blood magic dragon from the witchs soul, who can't be trusted
I lold at that. Douche dragon will toast you instead of your enemies if you turn your head the other way, lol.
And it will apply fake poultrice on Dany's wounded lovers. Beeyotch!
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On April 20 2013 02:57 chillpenguin wrote: It has not yet been stated who sent the assassin to kill Bran. All we know is that:
1. Littlefinger claims the dagger is his, but lost it to Tyrion, from a bet on Jaime vs. Loras Tyrell in a joust. Littlefinger bet on Jaime.
2. Tyrion denies the dagger belongs to him, and questions the logic of arming an assassin with a blade that could easily be linked back to him. Err. It's Cersei. Come on, we all know that. Jaimie doesn't kill little boys unless Cersei asks him. Tyrion hates his sister and has a normal relationship with his brother. Jealous in some way, but he does love him
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What's this assasin/betting discussion about? Also, the ending of episode 3 was really wtfff. I am really curious what's going to happen with that dragon. No way she is giving away a dragon, she's probably planning on killing the guy with said dragon.
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On April 20 2013 07:32 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 06:34 D10 wrote:On April 20 2013 03:34 Whitewing wrote:On April 20 2013 02:57 chillpenguin wrote: It has not yet been stated who sent the assassin to kill Bran. All we know is that:
1. Littlefinger claims the dagger is his, but lost it to Tyrion, from a bet on Jaime vs. Loras Tyrell in a joust. Littlefinger bet on Jaime.
2. Tyrion denies the dagger belongs to him, and questions the logic of arming an assassin with a blade that could easily be linked back to him. I also find it highly unlikely that Tyrion would ever bet against his own brother, I think that story is fairly dubious. I disagree 100% Tyrion is a rational man, he wouldnt choose his brother on a bet just because its his brother, he would try to chose the winning man 100% of the time, and since Loras seems to be the best jouster ever, its not really that unlikely that tyrion having seen them both ride before, could concoct the thought that jaime would lose. Disagree. I don't believe Loras was considered that great of a jouster until he unhorsed Jaime in that particular match...whereas as an older man Jaime had a much more storied reputation. People knew that Loras was good, but based on the way Littlefinger phrased the sentence, betting on him in that matchup was playing against the odds. Given that Tyrion is a rational man, Jaime was the favorite, AND it was his brother, I also find it surprising that Tyrion would bet against him. He would have to be going against both his head and his heart, and few people would do that.
Thats your opinion man, we cant really know what went thro tyrion`s head, but given his intellect and cunning, i see no reason why he would be deadlocked into chosing jaime.
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Hmm, I got an idea. Would be a wise move to have some polls for who(or if, don't bite) character/s gonna die this season or will the book readers, that means me as well, will just troll it?
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I think people would troll it, because as far as I know, there's no way to tell who votes in it or not, so book readers can anonymously choose the right answers.
Also, if you don't have polls for every character, there's likely to be some idiot who comes in and says, "Hey, why isn't there one for X? He dies in the book around this time!".
So, I think it's more trouble than it's worth, and much better for people to just talk about it here. If you've read the books and know who's going to die, you can just talk about it in the other thread, because it's not like you can actually make "predictions" here as you know what's going to happen.
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On April 21 2013 06:33 Steveling wrote: Hmm, I got an idea. Would be a wise move to have some polls for who(or if, don't bite) character/s gonna die this season or will the book readers, that means me as well, will just troll it?
Yeah, lets not do that
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On April 21 2013 06:33 Steveling wrote: Hmm, I got an idea. Would be a wise move to have some polls for who(or if, don't bite) character/s gonna die this season or will the book readers, that means me as well, will just troll it? If us book readers don't troll it, it could be very fun to see who people think will or won't die or if any one actually does 
But it could be considered too risky, though even if book readers troll it hard no one can truly know if they did or not right?
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