[TV] HBO Game of Thrones - Page 690

On April 19 2013 17:30 Don_Julio wrote:
It doesnt matter who did it anymore. Wouldnt change anything and none of the characters would care. Too much has happened. What is important is that it resulted in a family feud between the Lannisters and the Starks that ultimately was the reason that the whole continent is at war. Just because a little boy didnt listen to his mother.

It was Cersei most certainly

On April 19 2013 16:55 Zinnwaldite wrote:
Maybe it was someone else. This person wanted to spark a conflict between the Lannisters and the Starks, and the fact that Bran saw Cersei and Jamie was just a random twist of fate to make us think Jamie or Cersei did it..

On April 19 2013 19:08 pzea469 wrote:
So here's something I've been thinking about. Maybe one of you fine and beautiful people can clear this one up for me.

Sooo..... Maester Pycelle has been a spy for Cersei as revealed in season 2 by Tyrion. We also know that he knew that John Arryn had found out the big secret(the king having no true born heirs). We know this because he himself admitted it to Tyrion. He might have even assisted in his death as suggested by Tyrion and Pycelle's reaction.

Now, with all that out of the way, why in seven hells would he tell Ned Stark about both John Arryns last words and give him the book that John Arryn had been reading? It makes no sense at all. Even if he didn't believe he would reach that conclusion, why give him any real info at all? I guess telling him his last words is okay, because we can assume that more people knew what his last words were seeing as how Lady Lysa(Arryns wife) knew his last words as well. It's also not really that helpful either, but he still gave him that info without really needing to. Basically I'm just saying that he was too willing to give him info. And then Ned asks what John Arryn wanted from him(maester Pycelle) right before he died. Maester Pycelle immediately tells him that he was looking for a book. After Ned asks further, Pycelle shows him the book. But this means that Pycelle was also the one that helped John Arryn figure out that Joffrey and his siblings were born of incest. What is Pycelle playing at? Is this a goof in the story or did Pycelle want the hands to figure the secret out? He never looked like he had that intention though. When he was interrogated by Tyrion in season 2 he seemed like a devoted spy to the queen. He also admitted that he knew John Arryn was going to figure it all out and used that as his excuse to betraying him. He denied poisoning him, but it very much suggested that he was in on the plan of taking John Arryn to the grave.

So what's up?

Also, sorry if this was mentioned before but I haven't seen it and it's really been bothering me.

On April 19 2013 17:45 misirlou wrote:


Cersei makes no sense tbh. She was mad at Jaime for trying to kill him when he threw him off the balcony. That would have been a way more concealable death than sending an assassin with a dagger that supposedly belongs to her family, so either the dagger does belong to her family in which case it was stupid to send it, or LF lied about the dagger and he is, at least, trying to put the blame on the lannisters. Then, she wanted to spare Ned, in order to avoid the war.

On April 19 2013 19:08 pzea469 wrote:
So here's something I've been thinking about. Maybe one of you fine and beautiful people can clear this one up for me.

Sooo..... Maester Pycelle has been a spy for Cersei as revealed in season 2 by Tyrion. We also know that he knew that John Arryn had found out the big secret(the king having no true born heirs). We know this because he himself admitted it to Tyrion. He might have even assisted in his death as suggested by Tyrion and Pycelle's reaction.

Now, with all that out of the way, why in seven hells would he tell Ned Stark about both John Arryns last words and give him the book that John Arryn had been reading? It makes no sense at all. Even if he didn't believe he would reach that conclusion, why give him any real info at all? I guess telling him his last words is okay, because we can assume that more people knew what his last words were seeing as how Lady Lysa(Arryns wife) knew his last words as well. It's also not really that helpful either, but he still gave him that info without really needing to. Basically I'm just saying that he was too willing to give him info. And then Ned asks what John Arryn wanted from him(maester Pycelle) right before he died. Maester Pycelle immediately tells him that he was looking for a book. After Ned asks further, Pycelle shows him the book. But this means that Pycelle was also the one that helped John Arryn figure out that Joffrey and his siblings were born of incest. What is Pycelle playing at? Is this a goof in the story or did Pycelle want the hands to figure the secret out? He never looked like he had that intention though. When he was interrogated by Tyrion in season 2 he seemed like a devoted spy to the queen. He also admitted that he knew John Arryn was going to figure it all out and used that as his excuse to betraying him. He denied poisoning him, but it very much suggested that he was in on the plan of taking John Arryn to the grave.

So what's up?

Also, sorry if this was mentioned before but I haven't seen it and it's really been bothering me.

On April 20 2013 03:34 Whitewing wrote:


I also find it highly unlikely that Tyrion would ever bet against his own brother, I think that story is fairly dubious.

On April 20 2013 06:34 D10 wrote:


I disagree 100%

Tyrion is a rational man, he wouldnt choose his brother on a bet just because its his brother, he would try to chose the winning man 100% of the time, and since Loras seems to be the best jouster ever, its not really that unlikely that tyrion having seen them both ride before, could concoct the thought that jaime would lose.