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On April 13 2013 06:06 The Irate Turk wrote:
I don't think it has to be exactly like the book but they should aim to make the best show they can. If this means slow the pacing down, then so be it.
HBO is supposed to be the best, and they make quality like The Sopranos, and Deadwood, so why can't someone make a decision not to sacrifice the integrity and quality of the show?
Films (and also tv) don't need hundreds of millions spent on them to be great. Look at the Three Colours series. I appreciate that this is a historical epic and needs costumes and battle scenes etc, but I just feel like we've gone from The Lord of the Rings quality to The Hobbit. Even though it looks and sorta feels the same, something is very wrong.
Sure, in an ideal world with an unlimited budget and an unlimited amount of time, we could have 30 episodes per book. And it would be better.
But back here in the real world, that just ain't gonna work, and no matter how much you rant, it's never going to work like that. It is simply impossible.
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If something can't be done properly it shouldn't be done at all
It's hard to explain it properly but compare this with this
It's the same actor, and the difference is very noticable
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On April 13 2013 06:35 The Irate Turk wrote:If something can't be done properly it shouldn't be done at all It's hard to explain it properly but compare this with thisIt's the same actor, and the difference is very noticable
I'd wager that by far the vast majority would say that this show is done well, so your point is moot.
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Basing one's opinion or argument on what the vast majority think is pretty silly
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On April 13 2013 06:46 The Irate Turk wrote:
Basing one's opinion or argument on what the vast majority think is pretty silly
We'll leave you to your opinion, then, and continue to enjoy the show. 
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If I wanted to read the books I'd go back and read the god damn books, that's why they are there.
I'm watching this because I want to see a dramatized, HBO interpretation of the show. There's no reason you can't enjoy both equally. Like honestly, how boring would it get after 2-3 seasons of every line of dialogue being the exact same as the books and every action being exactly the same with the same interactions and the same progression? There'd be no reason for anyone who watched the show to go and read the books and vice versa.
That said, fantastic season so far.
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On April 13 2013 06:46 The Irate Turk wrote:
Basing one's opinion or argument on what the vast majority think is pretty silly
It's not that silly when it's in response to your claim that because you think the show hasn't been done properly, it shouldn't have been done at all.
You're wanting to deprive people of the show because YOU think it wasn't done correctly, when the vast majority disagree and are at least moderately pleased with it.
In short: deal with it. Either get over your issues with the television medium and enjoy it for what it is, or stop watching. It's really as simple as that.
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On April 13 2013 06:06 The Irate Turk wrote:
I don't think it has to be exactly like the book but they should aim to make the best show they can. If this means slow the pacing down, then so be it.
HBO is supposed to be the best, and they make quality like The Sopranos, and Deadwood, so why can't someone make a decision not to sacrifice the integrity and quality of the show?
Films (and also tv) don't need hundreds of millions spent on them to be great. Look at the Three Colours series. I appreciate that this is a historical epic and needs costumes and battle scenes etc, but I just feel like we've gone from The Lord of the Rings quality to The Hobbit. Even though it looks and sorta feels the same, something is very wrong.
Something is wrong - you. The changes collectively represent improvement over the source material. Just because the books came first doesn't make them better. Your book-reader elitism is clouding your judgement.
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Removed a lot of book talk
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I read adequate book after each season. I like both but I prioritize HBO version. Music, special effects and plot in Game of Thrones are much better than in any other contemporary TV show. Books are good too but in my opinion they don't outshine the competition as much which is why I prefer to maximize enjoyment from watching the show.
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On April 13 2013 07:26 The Irate Turk wrote:I loved the first two seasons and would have no trouble putting it up there with any great show. I feel that there has been a very big decline in quality going from 2 --> 3 Show nested quote +You're wanting to deprive people of the show because YOU think it wasn't done correctly, when the vast majority disagree and are at least moderately pleased with it. Maybe I am the one who is being deprived of a great show by them putting on a very shitty show? Millions read 50 Shades of Grey. This doesn't make it better than Shakespeare. Arguing that something being popular = it being good is a very silly argument. Show nested quote +The changes collectively represent improvement over the source material. Just because the books came first doesn't make them better. Your book-reader elitism is clouding your judgement. It isn't book-reader elitism. I was a fan of the show before reading the books. The first two seasons are golden. I don't really care to discuss whether the changes are an improvement or not, but you are silly if you think skipping half of daenerys' story (especially the handling of Barristan Selmy) is an improvement. Basically, I am a person who was a great big fan of seasons 1 and 2, who loves the book, who wanted 3 to be great (sustain what came before it), but it failed to do this. This doesn't make me some kind of ogre or elitist. There is a very clear decline.
Have you read fifty shades of grey? I get the distinct feeling that those who hates it the most, are the ones who haven't read it.
Also, glad you think the first 2 episodes are so bad. They where clearly labeled by the producers to have the least budget and time (they've wasted all their energy on the last 6 episodes). And then you want them to make 30 episodes pr season. That would mean 30 episodes pretty much in the same line as the two you already hate.
If you had it your way, they would either make 30 episodes of mediocre pr season that not nearly as many would like, OR not make anything at all.
I think the producers know exactly what the majority of the fans want, and that is what they're making. If you don't happen to be part of that majority..tough.
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On April 13 2013 07:26 The Irate Turk wrote:
It isn't book-reader elitism. I was a fan of the show before reading the books. The first two seasons are golden. I don't really care to discuss whether the changes are an improvement or not, but you are silly if you think skipping half of daenerys' story (especially the handling of Barristan Selmy) is an improvement.
Basically, I am a person who was a great big fan of seasons 1 and 2, who loves the book, who wanted 3 to be great (sustain what came before it), but it failed to do this. This doesn't make me some kind of ogre or elitist. There is a very clear decline, and this is due to cutting corners and laziness, nothing else.
I'm happy to discuss this in more detail with you in the book thread. The specifics of the changes are obviously not appropriate for this one.
Edit: We've covered the Daenrys stuff you're referring to after episode one aired in the book thread already.
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So I was telling my brother how he overloaded the drier and how it would make it far less effective, to which he instantly responded with the immortal phrase:
"What is wet may never dry".
Genius.
I (later) remarked that he would have to pay the...iron...price. Yes, you can see where all the wit went in our family.
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you guys are funny 
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Have you read fifty shades of grey? I get the distinct feeling that those who hates it the most, are the ones who haven't read it.
Also, glad you think the first 2 episodes are so bad. They where clearly labeled by the producers to have the least budget and time (they've wasted all their energy on the last 6 episodes). And then you want them to make 30 episodes pr season. That would mean 30 episodes pretty much in the same line as the two you already hate.
If you had it your way, they would either make 30 episodes of mediocre pr season that not nearly as many would like, OR not make anything at all.
I think the producers know exactly what the majority of the fans want, and that is what they're making. If you don't happen to be part of that majority..tough.
What, are you saying that 50 shades of grey is a masterpiece now?
If I had it my way, there would have been a bigger budget and the project would not have been rushed. The end result would have been better.
This whole "we aren't trying for until the last 6 episodes" talk is garbage. If that is their attitude then it would have been better for a more ambitious and able production team to tackle this project.
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Fenrax
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SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE BOOK AND WHAT IS NOT!
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Fenrax
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This can't be so hard to understand, can it?
No spoilers, no hints, no book discussion, no talking about what is similar in book or how much something deviates from the book.
If your post contains the word "book" or information that is exclusive for people who read the books it is very likely that you just should not post it.
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On April 13 2013 07:26 The Irate Turk wrote:
Basically, I am a person who was a great big fan of seasons 1 and 2, who loves the book, who wanted 3 to be great (sustain what came before it), but it failed to do this. This doesn't make me some kind of ogre or elitist. There is a very clear decline, and this is due to cutting corners and laziness, nothing else.
It sounds like the clear difference is you deciding to read the books after watching the series; then having your expectations for the future episodes be anchored by your reading of the books.
What I mean is: when you got into the story, you got to watch the story unfold in HBO's entirety and were totally informed by their vision.
Once you read the book, all those little details and pieces that GRRM put in are filled in and thus you created a second, competing, interpretation separate from HBO's.
This is what Literary Theorist mean by the Author is dead.
BTW: I have not read the books yet, so don't bother trying to tell me why specific parts of the book >> show (in fact please don't spoil things for me =p).
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