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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
I'm digging the wildings so far. I have not read the books so I don't know how they truly are, but it seems like they are actually some what normal folks compared to most people on the other side of the wall, and because of that + the fact that they live outside of the wall makes them easy scapegoats and the picture of them gets painted way worse than the truth. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Tywin does know about the rumors. the family septa even caught jamie and cerscei having sex when they where teenagers and informed the parents. Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:19 sc2holar wrote: Comparing things with the books might be a bad thing, but i dont see anything wrong with providing basic lore/information that we learn pretty early on in the books but is never mentioned in the tv-series. for example, if you only watched the tv-series you might not know what the valyrian empire was, or who rhaegar targaryen really was. this is shameful because these things did have a hyge impact on how the story from the very begining, and if you knew about it things would probably make more sense. Sure, but some of the things mentioned in the last few pages went much further than that, explaining how scene X never happened in the book or why character Y said what he said, etc. Things went a bit too far, IMO. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:30 Gosi wrote: The scene when Jon Snow was talking about the white walkers gave me the creeps. I'm digging the wildings so far. I have not read the books so I don't know how they truly are, but it seems like they are actually some what normal folks compared to most people on the other side of the wall, and because of that + the fact that they live outside of the wall makes them easy scapegoats and the picture of them gets painted way worse than the truth. I'm digging this a lot too. The Wildlings are 'normal' folk, who live decent and honorable lives. In fact, their concept of being free and having a democratically elected leader is far more progressive than any other Kingdom. The irony is that they're seen by all as less than Human, but are actually the most civilized of all people. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:32 BlackMagister wrote: Ok if the Winterfell question really is spoilers I won't bother talking about it until it is shown on the show. Good thing I remembered quoting someone reveals spoiler text. Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? It's still heavily frowned upon(remember back to season 1, Jamie pushing Bran out the window of the tower to make sure it didn't get out, this is how it all started). Even if he knows it's not the sort of thing you'd say "So father, now that you know about our relationship we expect you to accept it, we love each other." | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:32 BlackMagister wrote: Ok if the Winterfell question really is spoilers I won't bother talking about it until it is shown on the show. Good thing I remembered quoting someone reveals spoiler text. Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? Most likely she's afraid he will tell Tywin about her attempt on his life in the Battle of the Blackwater. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:19 sc2holar wrote: Comparing things with the books might be a bad thing, but i dont see anything wrong with providing basic lore/information that we learn pretty early on in the books but is never mentioned in the tv-series. for example, if you only watched the tv-series you might not know what the valyrian empire was, or who rhaegar targaryen really was. this is shameful because these things did have a hyge impact on how the story from the very begining, and if you knew about it things would probably make more sense. No man...just no. I love the books as much as the next person, but the rules in this thread exist for a reason. If the show skipped over some backstory from the book you thought was important, they may have done it for a reason, and you mixing the two mediums together will just confuse the people watching the show. You've already given some pseudo spoilers in this thread...my advice would be to shut your brain off and pretend that this show has nothing to do with a song of ice and fire, so you don't feel the need to bridge the gap between them. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 01 2013 18:10 Cel.erity wrote: He seems to really like her, but I think all that means is something terrible will end up happening to her. Remember Joffrey was pretty nice to Sansa up to the point Arya's wolf attacked him. Then Sansa's father "betrayed" him in his mind, and her brother became a rebel. Still even before all that, he showed his cruel streak to the butcher's boy that Arya was fencing with. Joffrey also hasn't spent any time alone with Margerie so far and she always has her brother Ser Loras near her to protect her. So maybe he has a different attitude since the Tyrells are an ally and maybe he just hasn't shown her his true colors yet. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:49 ZasZ. wrote: No man...just no. I love the books as much as the next person, but the rules in this thread exist for a reason. If the show skipped over some backstory from the book you thought was important, they may have done it for a reason, and you mixing the two mediums together will just confuse the people watching the show. You've already given some pseudo spoilers in this thread...my advice would be to shut your brain off and pretend that this show has nothing to do with a song of ice and fire, so you don't feel the need to bridge the gap between them. Bullshit. Are you telling me that Roberts rebellion happened for a different reason in the TV series? no, it is heavily implied that it happened for the same reason as in the books, the only difference is that we dont learn as many details. there is even an official HBO "History and Lore of Westeros" series where they go deeper into these things. its avaible on youtube. If even the Creators of the series want to educate the audience on the lore, why should it be frowned upon? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:53 sc2holar wrote: Bullshit. Are you telling me that Roberts rebellion happened for a different reason in the TV series? no, it is heavily implied that it happened for the same reason as in the books, the only difference is that we dont learn as many details. there is even an official HBO "History and Lore of Westeros" series where they go deeper into these things. its avaible on youtube. If even the Creators of the series want to educate the audience on the lore, why should it be frowned upon? Then direct people to those youtube videos in the future, instead of saying "in the books, X happens". Simple as that. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:26 FREEloss_ca wrote: I was confused during the Robb Stark scene. They're on a hillside looking at Harranhal (?) talking about how The Mountain is defending it. The next scene they're surrounded by 200 dead northerners. Did they attack Harranhal and just not show the battle? Did The Mountain die? Also, what's with all the tension and animosity towards Robb? Are the men losing morale? Or is everyone still choked Catlyn let Jamie Lannister free? Overall, extremely glad this show is back. I've ran out of patience with TWD. I was also confused on what happened there. I felt like I missed a battle fast forward or something, but it seemed like they didn't have a battle and just found Harrenhal abandoned with dead northmen inside. I think Robb is feeling double animosity. One for his mother letting Jamie go, and two for marrying this foreign girl who is suddenly their queen instead of the Frey he promised to marry. | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:26 FREEloss_ca wrote: I was confused during the Robb Stark scene. They're on a hillside looking at Harranhal (?) talking about how The Mountain is defending it. The next scene they're surrounded by 200 dead northerners. Did they attack Harranhal and just not show the battle? Did The Mountain die? Also, what's with all the tension and animosity towards Robb? Are the men losing morale? Or is everyone still choked Catlyn let Jamie Lannister free? Overall, extremely glad this show is back. I've ran out of patience with TWD. No, I'm very sure there was no battle for Harrenhal. Robb wants to fight, his men want a fight, as they're looking from the hill, but the Mountain (Gregor Clegane) and his band have already abandoned Harrenhal. So when they march into the fort, they find 200 Northern prisoners butchered before either Tywin's army left or the Mountain's, or both if they left together. The Mountain is certainly not dead; I'm not sure if we've seen the new actor in the role yet either. The post above me got the tension with Robb right. His men resent the foreigner wife and many sympathize with Karstark and his lot over Catelyn letting Jamie Lannister walk 'free,' in their eyes, back to King's Landing. Also I'd imagine the length of this campaign without yet much tangible success has to be wearing on them - they've made it as far south as Harrenhal without getting the vengeance they were seeking nor securing their new 'kingdom' in the north. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:32 BlackMagister wrote: Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? There is nothing to suggest Tywin knows or even suspects the rumor to be anything more than a lie at this point. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:36 FREEloss_ca wrote: I'm digging this a lot too. The Wildlings are 'normal' folk, who live decent and honorable lives. In fact, their concept of being free and having a democratically elected leader is far more progressive than any other Kingdom. The irony is that they're seen by all as less than Human, but are actually the most civilized of all people. Yes, but they also have many members who are raiders, who rape and pillage the lands south of the wall. If they were all just peaceful traders the Night's Watch wouldn't need to guard the Wall against their attacks. They are "free" but they are also rather lawless. Like the show said, Jon is "free" to leave them if Mance lets him join, and Ygritte is "free" to kill him if he tries. | ||
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brian
United States9620 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:53 sc2holar wrote: Bullshit. Are you telling me that Roberts rebellion happened for a different reason in the TV series? no, it is heavily implied that it happened for the same reason as in the books, the only difference is that we dont learn as many details. there is even an official HBO "History and Lore of Westeros" series where they go deeper into these things. its avaible on youtube. If even the Creators of the series want to educate the audience on the lore, why should it be frowned upon? because you can't possibly know what they will and won't reveal to the viewers in future episodes. you're in the wrong thread. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:53 sc2holar wrote: Bullshit. Are you telling me that Roberts rebellion happened for a different reason in the TV series? no, it is heavily implied that it happened for the same reason as in the books, the only difference is that we dont learn as many details. there is even an official HBO "History and Lore of Westeros" series where they go deeper into these things. its avaible on youtube. If even the Creators of the series want to educate the audience on the lore, why should it be frowned upon? It doesn't matter. The rules in this thread exist so you can't be a dick and spoil things for fans of the show, so stop it. It doesn't matter if you think it's just background info or it's early in the books; you can't talk about the books here, so stop. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:36 FREEloss_ca wrote: I'm digging this a lot too. The Wildlings are 'normal' folk, who live decent and honorable lives. In fact, their concept of being free and having a democratically elected leader is far more progressive than any other Kingdom. The irony is that they're seen by all as less than Human, but are actually the most civilized of all people. Well I guess I'm an outlier then. I don't see anything honorable or decent about them. The key thing I took away from their scenes is that they only banded together as a means of survival outside of the wall. In fact it seems they care very little for the fate of any of their fellow man. They certainly feel the most human because their goals are straight-forward and relatable. I'd say they have the most honest intentions out of any group in GoT. They don't have any secret schemes or intent, they just want as far away from danger(white walkers) as possible. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On April 02 2013 00:28 karazax wrote: There is nothing to suggest Tywin knows or even suspects the rumor to be anything more than a lie at this point. Check out One of the hbo histories and lore vids. Jaime and cerscei got caught in the act when they where young | ||
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