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On April 01 2013 23:53 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 23:49 ZasZ. wrote:On April 01 2013 23:19 sc2holar wrote:On April 01 2013 23:15 Conti wrote:On April 01 2013 15:21 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Damn, if Margerie was actually sincere in her kindness towards the poor then that was pretty unexpected. Seems like she'd probably be a really good queen. That scene reminded me of all those photo-ops the politicians do when they visit an orphanage or something. It seems to me she knows exactly what she is doing, and she knows that she can't rule King's Landing when the people hate her. Also, can we please stop with all the "in the books" comparisons? They're still spoilers, no matter how minor, and a decently intelligent person can deduct a lot of information from those posts. We have a very strict no spoiler policy in this thread for a reason. Comparing things with the books might be a bad thing, but i dont see anything wrong with providing basic lore/information that we learn pretty early on in the books but is never mentioned in the tv-series. for example, if you only watched the tv-series you might not know what the valyrian empire was, or who rhaegar targaryen really was. this is shameful because these things did have a hyge impact on how the story from the very begining, and if you knew about it things would probably make more sense. No man...just no. I love the books as much as the next person, but the rules in this thread exist for a reason. If the show skipped over some backstory from the book you thought was important, they may have done it for a reason, and you mixing the two mediums together will just confuse the people watching the show. You've already given some pseudo spoilers in this thread...my advice would be to shut your brain off and pretend that this show has nothing to do with a song of ice and fire, so you don't feel the need to bridge the gap between them. Bullshit. Are you telling me that Roberts rebellion happened for a different reason in the TV series? no, it is heavily implied that it happened for the same reason as in the books, the only difference is that we dont learn as many details. there is even an official HBO "History and Lore of Westeros" series where they go deeper into these things. its avaible on youtube. If even the Creators of the series want to educate the audience on the lore, why should it be frowned upon?
It doesn't matter if you don't see anything wrong with providing lore from the books or just how much lore/history HBO provides outside of the show. This thread is for the show only. Take a look at the giant white post at the top.
NO BOOK DISCUSSION! This thread is basically for viewers who have not read the books. If you have, be very careful about what you post.
Use this thread[LINK] to talk freely about book stuff concerning the show.
Do NOT post/request links to illegal downloads/streams etc.
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- You guys are so wrong about stuff! (NOT ALLOWED)
- In the books, + Show Spoiler + (NOT ALLOWED)
It shouldn't really be hard from reading this, that bookspoilers or any information what so ever from the books should not be posted in this thread. Even if you think it might be relevant, or nice to know, or believe that the show skipped some important or for that matter trivial information - You don't post about it in this thread! If people wants to know they will seek the information out or ask for it - and then you can PM them.
The reason this thread has (or should have) such a strict rule about spoilers and book content, is because there are so many people in this community and each has a different diffenition of what is a spoiler is, and a soon as a small amount of book discussion is allowed you can be sure that people will spoil things - even unintentionally
People have allready spoiled important things which won't even occur in this season!
The book discussion/spoilers can be relative little things like in season 2 when the onion knight was introduced people posted book content regarding how he was knighted and got his name. People posted that because they believed HBO skipped it. Then an episode or 2 later there was an entire scene where they remenissed about the time he came to stannis' rescue. - While that was one of the smaller spoilers it still ruined that scene for me, because i knew everything they were about to say.
Likewise people have posted a tiny snippet about characters in book 5, which they didn't think was a spoiler. - But the fact that thoose characters would still be alive is in fact a spoiler. I know what will happend to one of the major charecters (who i obviously won't name) in the next season, because someone almost 2 years ago made a small comment about "if only they knew about...."
So please do us all a favor and leave any book content out of this thread.
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On April 02 2013 01:18 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 00:28 karazax wrote:On April 01 2013 23:32 BlackMagister wrote:
Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? There is nothing to suggest Tywin knows or even suspects the rumor to be anything more than a lie at this point. Check out One of the hbo histories and lore vids. Jaime and cerscei got caught in the act when they where young
Haven't seen that video, but there is nothing in the show to suggest it, we can discuss what happened in the book in the other thread if you would like.
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I agree to no book spoilers here but i can really recommend reading the books for a better understanding. Sometimes you see people confused about some characters and mixing stuff up.
but yeah i think its a good pace for the opening episode. You cant expect non stop action after this season final.
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On April 01 2013 17:05 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 15:21 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Damn, if Margerie was actually sincere in her kindness towards the poor then that was pretty unexpected. Seems like she'd probably be a really good queen. I think she really was sincere, which is prolly why Cercei was giving her the stink eye during dinner (out of envy). Or maybe Cercei knew what act she was playing and wished she could act that well herself. Who knows..
I hope she is sincere. Would be really interesting if her motivation to be THE queen was actually partially or completely so that she could do more good stuff. Where as it's more expected that she's just bullshitting it to seem like a good queen.
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On April 02 2013 02:10 Just_a_Moth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 17:05 Emnjay808 wrote:On April 01 2013 15:21 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Damn, if Margerie was actually sincere in her kindness towards the poor then that was pretty unexpected. Seems like she'd probably be a really good queen. I think she really was sincere, which is prolly why Cercei was giving her the stink eye during dinner (out of envy). Or maybe Cercei knew what act she was playing and wished she could act that well herself. Who knows.. I hope she is sincere. Would be really interesting if her motivation to be THE queen was actually partially or completely so that she could do more good stuff. Where as it's more expected that she's just bullshitting it to seem like a good queen.
The second reason would not necessarily be a bad thing either though. The hungry masses probably could not care less if she feeds them to become popular or if she has fun doing it.
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On April 01 2013 23:26 FREEloss_ca wrote:
I was confused during the Robb Stark scene.
They're on a hillside looking at Harranhal (?) talking about how The Mountain is defending it. The next scene they're surrounded by 200 dead northerners. Did they attack Harranhal and just not show the battle? Did The Mountain die? Also, what's with all the tension and animosity towards Robb? Are the men losing morale? Or is everyone still choked Catlyn let Jamie Lannister free?
Overall, extremely glad this show is back. I've ran out of patience with TWD.
Robb said earlier the men have been dying for a fight, and when they arrived at Harranhal it seems they found nothing but dead bodies of their captured troops. So yeah, the men are losing morale because rather than fighting a war for revenge they seem to be just marching across the land.
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So the Lannisters are basically trading land for time?
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On April 02 2013 03:22 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 02:10 Just_a_Moth wrote:On April 01 2013 17:05 Emnjay808 wrote:On April 01 2013 15:21 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Damn, if Margerie was actually sincere in her kindness towards the poor then that was pretty unexpected. Seems like she'd probably be a really good queen. I think she really was sincere, which is prolly why Cercei was giving her the stink eye during dinner (out of envy). Or maybe Cercei knew what act she was playing and wished she could act that well herself. Who knows.. I hope she is sincere. Would be really interesting if her motivation to be THE queen was actually partially or completely so that she could do more good stuff. Where as it's more expected that she's just bullshitting it to seem like a good queen. The second reason would not necessarily be a bad thing either though. The hungry masses probably could not care less if she feeds them to become popular or if she has fun doing it.
Its all an act. Like she said last season, she doesn't want to be 'a' queen, she wants to be 'the' queen. She said this to littlefinger. Littlefinger who now is conspiring with Sansa to get her away from kings landing.
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On April 02 2013 04:28 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 23:26 FREEloss_ca wrote:
I was confused during the Robb Stark scene.
They're on a hillside looking at Harranhal (?) talking about how The Mountain is defending it. The next scene they're surrounded by 200 dead northerners. Did they attack Harranhal and just not show the battle? Did The Mountain die? Also, what's with all the tension and animosity towards Robb? Are the men losing morale? Or is everyone still choked Catlyn let Jamie Lannister free?
Overall, extremely glad this show is back. I've ran out of patience with TWD. Robb said earlier the men have been dying for a fight, and when they arrived at Harranhal it seems they found nothing but dead bodies of their captured troops. So yeah, the men are losing morale because rather than fighting a war for revenge they seem to be just marching across the land.
This ^
Everyone was expecting Tywin to leave the defense of King's Landing to Tyrion, Cersei, and Joffrey, and meet Robb in battle at Harrenhal. Instead, being a wise strategist, he rode for Kings Landing and saved it from being sacked by Stannis at the battle of the Blackwater. It is safe to say for now that The Mountain has left Harrenhal. The men are anxious and there was animosity towards Robb because he basically decided to throw his mother into a prison cell for freeing Jaime. Other men wanted Jaime dead in the first place so the fact that he is not gone only adds to their disappointment. Many of Robb's followers are from Riverrun, so they will feel loyatly to Catelyn. Also, they have discovered that while they have been keeping Lannister prisoners alive their own men are being executed.
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On April 02 2013 04:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So the Lannisters are basically trading land for time?
And morale. Tywin won a major victory at KL beating Stannis. The alliance with the Tyrells gives them troops, money, and supplies. On the other hand is Robb. He's winning all of the battles on the field, but morale is lower than ever. The Northmen want to go home (soldiers always want to go home). Karstark's faction is angry after losing 2 sons. Robb got married so his alliance with the Freys will probably go down the shitter soon and everyone knows it. They go to kill the Mountain, but only find 200 dead soldiers. The only thing keeping morale up is that Robb's soldiers have complete faith in him, but he knows that the longer and more drawn out the war it, the harder it will be to keep everything in line.
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This episode was awesome.
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On April 02 2013 04:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So the Lannisters are basically trading land for time?
yes. keep in mind that the Westerlands is a rocky land full of mountains, obstacles and narrow roads, so it takes a long time to invade, and to get there from the north you have to cross the riverlands first wich is also full of rivers, swamps and unfriendly terrain for a large army to cross.
but most importantly, Casterly Rock is (probably) the hardest fortress in westeros to take (maybe the eyrie is on par at least when it comes to repelling infantery, but it is vulnerable to siege weapons and unlike casterly rock it has been taken from the outside before) since CR is basicly a castle carved inside a huge mountain with added fortified walls, on a huge cliff overlooking the sea, so with no navy you can only attack from one, uphill position and your catapults are basicly useless because its a freaking mountain; its halls are protected by probably 10-20 metres thick natural walls of solid rock .
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Was anyone else wierded out by the fact that Robb didnt mention or comment on the fact that Winterfell got pretty much burned to the ground in the episode before? word must have reached him by now, i mean there must be many bannermen with seats not that far away from winterfell, and such news should travel pretty fast to them? heck what about those who actually stood outside winterfell as it happened? did none of them think it was important enough to send a raven and inform the king in the north about it?
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"you spend your time drinking with theives and bedding harlots"
tyrion - "sometimes i drink with the harlots"
tyrion has the best lines every episode.
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Why does Rob even keep pushing south? Whats in it for him? I thought this was a defensive war. Is he going for revenge? Or is he trying to land a finishing blow so that the enemy cant regroup and attack some time in the future?
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On April 02 2013 07:32 nitram wrote:
Why does Rob even keep pushing south? Whats in it for him? I thought this was a defensive war. Is he going for revenge? Or is he trying to land a finishing blow so that the enemy cant regroup and attack some time in the future?
Revenge + saving his sisters. Keep in mind he and his mother think both Arya and Sansa are basically at the mercy of the Lannisters (which is why his mother tried to send Jamie away to begin with). Revenge being for his father they killed his brother they crippled.
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On April 02 2013 07:36 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:32 nitram wrote:
Why does Rob even keep pushing south? Whats in it for him? I thought this was a defensive war. Is he going for revenge? Or is he trying to land a finishing blow so that the enemy cant regroup and attack some time in the future? Revenge + saving his sisters. Keep in mind he and his mother think both Arya and Sansa are basically at the mercy of the Lannisters (which is why his mother tried to send Jamie away to begin with). Revenge being for his father they killed his brother they crippled.
Oh yeah, thats right. Sounds kind of selfish but I guess Rob has to keep a strong image if he wishes to rule the north. Also wouldn't a small amount of soldiers have better success getting to kings landing and rescuing Sansa using sneak tactics?
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On April 02 2013 01:18 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 00:28 karazax wrote:On April 01 2013 23:32 BlackMagister wrote:
Though if the rumor about incest is known to Tywin or even confirmed then why is Cerscei so afraid of what Tyrion is going to say to Tywin? There is nothing to suggest Tywin knows or even suspects the rumor to be anything more than a lie at this point. Check out One of the hbo histories and lore vids. Jaime and cerscei got caught in the act when they where young
Pretty sure I watched all the HBO lore vids. Do not recall Tywin knows about Jaime + Cersei.
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On April 02 2013 07:42 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:36 killa_robot wrote:On April 02 2013 07:32 nitram wrote:
Why does Rob even keep pushing south? Whats in it for him? I thought this was a defensive war. Is he going for revenge? Or is he trying to land a finishing blow so that the enemy cant regroup and attack some time in the future? Revenge + saving his sisters. Keep in mind he and his mother think both Arya and Sansa are basically at the mercy of the Lannisters (which is why his mother tried to send Jamie away to begin with). Revenge being for his father they killed his brother they crippled. Oh yeah, thats right. Sounds kind of selfish but I guess Rob has to keep a strong image if he wishes to rule the north. Also wouldn't a small amount of soldiers have better success getting to kings landing and rescuing Sansa using sneak tactics?
Wouldn't be much of a revenge attack if all they did was rescue her. His men want blood.
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On April 02 2013 07:30 bahunto28 wrote:
"you spend your time drinking with theives and bedding harlots"
tyrion - "sometimes i drink with the harlots"
tyrion has the best lines every episode.
It was heartbreaking to see Tywin go down on Tyrion about his mother's death etc. Like the way they portrayed Tyrion manning up during the BlackWater battle was so heroic. But then after he got like no gratitude from his father. T_T Tyrion looked so sad cause of that...
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