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Though the timeline is pretty fucked up.
-Stannis sometime after winning over Renly's man sailed to KL. (the distance between Bitterbridge and King's Lanidng is 5 cm on the map)
-at this point Littlefinger is there, and persuades the Tyrells (Loras, Margery...) to be open for an alliance
-Littlefinger somehow teleports to Harrenhall to Tywinn Lannister (7cm between HH. and BB.), and tells him the Tyrell host retreated to Highgarden (4cm betwen HG and BB), and proposes an alliance with them
-Tywinn hears about the impending siege, orders a forced night ride and rushes to KL (3.5cm between HH. and King' Landing)
-During all this, Littlefinger managed to go back (teleport) to Highgarden (10cm between Harenhall and Highgarden) and persuade the Tyrells to rush to KL (9 cm between Highgarden and King'sLanding)
To sum up, during the time Stannis managed to sail from Bitterbridge to King's Landing (5 cm on map) the others pulled this:
Littlefinger: 7 cm + 10 cm
Tyrell host: 4 cm+ 9 cm
The distance it took for Tywinn's agreement to reach Higharden and for the Tyrells to reach KL's after that: 7+9
Littlefinger must have bought some damn fast horses, and apparently the Tyrells feed theirs with some roses that make them fly
EDIT: i might have made an error, I think they ve met at Bitterbridge, but a friend of mine tells me it's Sotrm's End.
If that s the case the distances are like this: StormE-KL 5cm, StormE- HH. 9 cm, Highgarden-StormE 10 cm. Ofc from storm's End with ships they need to go around Massey's hook (that s the name the map gives at least) but still, it s said to be a 5-6 days sail once on-board.
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On May 29 2012 03:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:23 Excludos wrote:On May 29 2012 03:16 epoc wrote:
Is it easier to decapitate a man or chop the head like Stannis did? Cause I'm not buying that at all About equally hard I'd say. Both requires you to be able to slice strought bone, but while the skull is "more" to get through, its also thinner than the spinal cord. Both are tremendously difficult thought. That said, I'm not speaking from experience or anything  But even in the universe that is Game of Thrones, Theon needed 3 swings to get through Ser Rodrik's neck. So Stannis must be a pretty huge badass to get through in one swing like that. Same for The hound (although we already knew that), and Tyriel for chopping a guy's leg clean off. Quality of the sword and aim also makes a big difference.
I'm pretty sure most major characters have Velyrian steel blades, which are far sharper and lighter than normal blades. Stannis and The Hound are most likely using Velyrian steel.
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Clearly the Tyrell host rides blue chocobos. Littlefinger rides a black one.
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On May 29 2012 03:55 FREEloss_ca wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 29 2012 03:23 Excludos wrote:On May 29 2012 03:16 epoc wrote:
Is it easier to decapitate a man or chop the head like Stannis did? Cause I'm not buying that at all About equally hard I'd say. Both requires you to be able to slice strought bone, but while the skull is "more" to get through, its also thinner than the spinal cord. Both are tremendously difficult thought. That said, I'm not speaking from experience or anything But even in the universe that is Game of Thrones, Theon needed 3 swings to get through Ser Rodrik's neck. So Stannis must be a pretty huge badass to get through in one swing like that. Same for The hound (although we already knew that), and Tyriel for chopping a guy's leg clean off. Quality of the sword and aim also makes a big difference. I'm pretty sure most major characters have Velyrian steel blades, which are far sharper and lighter than normal blades. Stannis and The Hound are most likely using Velyrian steel.
No, very few valyrian steel swords actually exist. The only two on the show right now we've seen are jon snow's sword and Ice that was taken from Ned stark.
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That episode was so sick! Cersei's acting was AMAZING and I really hope the Tyrion doesn't die!  I am really interested in how they plan on closing out the season  I totally forgot that fire wizard wasn't riding in battle with Stannis, was waiting for her this whole episode due to fire and stuff.
The Hound scenes were so good too, I hope he is truly a good guy and helps Sansa going back home
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Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery?
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On May 29 2012 03:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
Though the timeline is pretty fucked up.
-Stannis sometime after winning over Renly's man sailed to KL. (the distance between Bitterbridge and King's Lanidng is 5 cm on the map)
-at this point Littlefinger is there, and persuades the Tyrells (Loras, Margery...) to be open for an alliance
-Littlefinger somehow teleports to Harrenhall to Tywinn Lannister (7cm between HH. and BB.), and tells him the Tyrell host retreated to Highgarden (4cm betwen HG and BB), and proposes an alliance with them
-Tywinn hears about the impending siege, orders a forced night ride and rushes to KL (3.5cm between HH. and King' Landing)
-During all this, Littlefinger managed to go back (teleport) to Highgarden (10cm between Harenhall and Highgarden) and persuade the Tyrells to rush to KL (9 cm between Highgarden and King'sLanding)
To sum up, during the time Stannis managed to sail from Bitterbridge to King's Landing (5 cm on map) the others pulled this:
Littlefinger: 7 cm + 10 cm
Tyrell host: 4 cm+ 9 cm
The distance it took for Tywinn's agreement to reach Higharden and for the Tyrells to reach KL's after that: 7+9
Littlefinger must have bought some damn fast horses, and apparently the Tyrells feed theirs with some roses that make them fly
Sailing boats are a slow means of transportation. You depend on the wind after all. Horse is definitely more reliable, and maybe even faster.
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On May 29 2012 03:01 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 02:53 iamperfection wrote:
Does anyone know info on swords and whatnot. If so is it that easy to cut limbs and stuff off as they were making it out to be in the battle? Really doubt it tbh, but I'd like to hear a more reliable source.
Depends on the sword, and body part... For instance, a long sword held by the hound could in theory with enough force severe a man in half from shoulder to hip, so that part is definitely plausible... Then the limbs are completely realistic, the weight of the sword added with the force placed on the bone (and flesh) would be a quick simple cut.
So yes, all of the cutting was rather realistic, though out of all of them the only one that I would question is the cutting off of the mans skull (in half) but I only question that because by the time he got around to it, his sword would have been much duller compared to the beginning and since the skull is rather strong (in case you're curious). But, he also put one hell of a baseball swing into it, cut on an angle, and had a longsword, added with the fact he is a strong fella...
So all in all, each character was rather realistic in the limb/body cutting... Maybe tyrion was a bit (the leg) hard to believe because I don't really know if he could put that much force into it...
Hope that clears it all up
On May 29 2012 04:06 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
Though the timeline is pretty fucked up.
-Stannis sometime after winning over Renly's man sailed to KL. (the distance between Bitterbridge and King's Lanidng is 5 cm on the map)
-at this point Littlefinger is there, and persuades the Tyrells (Loras, Margery...) to be open for an alliance
-Littlefinger somehow teleports to Harrenhall to Tywinn Lannister (7cm between HH. and BB.), and tells him the Tyrell host retreated to Highgarden (4cm betwen HG and BB), and proposes an alliance with them
-Tywinn hears about the impending siege, orders a forced night ride and rushes to KL (3.5cm between HH. and King' Landing)
-During all this, Littlefinger managed to go back (teleport) to Highgarden (10cm between Harenhall and Highgarden) and persuade the Tyrells to rush to KL (9 cm between Highgarden and King'sLanding)
To sum up, during the time Stannis managed to sail from Bitterbridge to King's Landing (5 cm on map) the others pulled this:
Littlefinger: 7 cm + 10 cm
Tyrell host: 4 cm+ 9 cm
The distance it took for Tywinn's agreement to reach Higharden and for the Tyrells to reach KL's after that: 7+9
Littlefinger must have bought some damn fast horses, and apparently the Tyrells feed theirs with some roses that make them fly Sailing boats are a slow means of transportation. You depend on the wind after all. Horse is definitely more reliable, and maybe even faster.
Also, added to this, you have to take into account the fact you must follow a wind current... A sailboat doesn't simply just sail anywhere, it follows a set current and moves along that path, so it is definitely possible they had to detour slightly outward to catch the current or risk sailing with nearly zero wind the entire journey... All in all, adding into the fact they had to ready supplies for the invasion and such, I think it's rather reasonable.
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On May 29 2012 04:06 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
Though the timeline is pretty fucked up.
-Stannis sometime after winning over Renly's man sailed to KL. (the distance between Bitterbridge and King's Lanidng is 5 cm on the map)
-at this point Littlefinger is there, and persuades the Tyrells (Loras, Margery...) to be open for an alliance
-Littlefinger somehow teleports to Harrenhall to Tywinn Lannister (7cm between HH. and BB.), and tells him the Tyrell host retreated to Highgarden (4cm betwen HG and BB), and proposes an alliance with them
-Tywinn hears about the impending siege, orders a forced night ride and rushes to KL (3.5cm between HH. and King' Landing)
-During all this, Littlefinger managed to go back (teleport) to Highgarden (10cm between Harenhall and Highgarden) and persuade the Tyrells to rush to KL (9 cm between Highgarden and King'sLanding)
To sum up, during the time Stannis managed to sail from Bitterbridge to King's Landing (5 cm on map) the others pulled this:
Littlefinger: 7 cm + 10 cm
Tyrell host: 4 cm+ 9 cm
The distance it took for Tywinn's agreement to reach Higharden and for the Tyrells to reach KL's after that: 7+9
Littlefinger must have bought some damn fast horses, and apparently the Tyrells feed theirs with some roses that make them fly Sailing boats are a slow means of transportation. You depend on the wind after all. Horse is definitely more reliable, and maybe even faster.
they say it s a 5 day sail or something like that, dont they? Davos-Stannis conversation
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On May 29 2012 04:04 Dantat wrote:
Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery?
Davos conviced Stannis not to bring the red lady, to not seem like he was just following her orders.
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On May 29 2012 04:04 Dantat wrote:
Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery?
What would that accomplish? Even Joffeys subjects hated him, and even if he was dead it wouldn't make a difference in the war effort. The assassination of Renly made most bannermen join Stannis without the need for a confrontation.
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On May 29 2012 04:08 shaippen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:04 Dantat wrote:
Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery? What would that accomplish? Even Joffeys subjects hated him, and even if he was dead it wouldn't make a difference in the war effort. The assassination of Renly made most bannermen join Stannis without the need for a confrontation.
From what I gather, isn't Stannis is a valid successor to the throne? If he kept breeding demon things to kill the Lannisters, he would get it without opposition right?
@Barundar oo that makes sense.
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I don't think Tyrion is dead. As previously mentioned, deaths in GoT are usually quite obvious. If Tyrion was dead his head would have been removed and we would have clearly seen him die. He's just going to have a badass scar now. I think he just passed out from shock.
inb4 Tyrion gets no credit at all for anything and Tywin is made the hero.
Also, The Hound left the battle before Tywin and Loras arrived so him and Sansa weren't able to escape in time. I'm thinking The Hound is going to be executed for treason.
The part that left me confused was with Stannis. His men are retreating and being butchered while he is on the ramparts with a handful of men. His own men grab him to calm him down. Are they trying to drag him to the ships to escape? Are they going to hide and flee from Kings Landing? Is it supposed to be implied he is stranded/captured and will be executed next episode? I can't wait another week.
I think Jorah Mormont will die because of foreshadowing in Episode 7. In episode 7 Tyrion says to Shae "I'd kill for you." (which he did, with WILDFIRE) and Jorah says to Dany, "I'd die for you", which I'm thinking he will in the Finale.
Hopefully Theon dies. He's a goof and I'd like to see some justice, seeing as Joffrey won't be dying any time soon.
Hopefully we get to see Jon Snow put his Velyrian steel blade to use.
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On May 29 2012 03:52 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:15 Rho_ wrote:On May 29 2012 03:04 Incognoto wrote:On May 29 2012 03:01 zodde wrote:On May 29 2012 02:53 iamperfection wrote:
Does anyone know info on swords and whatnot. If so is it that easy to cut limbs and stuff off as they were making it out to be in the battle? Really doubt it tbh, but I'd like to hear a more reliable source. It isn't that easy but for the sake of the show Tyrion cutting off a leg like that was fine. Normally you'd need a really strong swing to take any limb off of someone. At least as much as splitting wood, I would think. Splitting wood is not that hard. Yes, but you still need to put your back into it and swing well. Ned's decapitation was realistically done imo, but I don't think Tyrion had enough power behind the blow to take off the dude's leg that easily. Not with that angle, it didn't feel right. The blow would definitely have crippled the soldier though. Not that I'm an expert at separating limbs off of people or anything.
Don't be so picky, u didnt notice the ships going like 200 km/h from the guys rowing? xD
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Most epic fuckig episode ive ever seen on a tv show....good job HBO amazing job. Didn't have faith they could pull it off but they did.
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Finally finished watching the episode. Amazing sequence, exactly what I asked for last season (a full-fledged battle sequence, not just Tyrion charging into an off-screen battle and waking up on a horsecart)
So let me get this straight - the Priestess says she'll bear Stannis a son, gives birth to the black demon thing, demon thing assassinates Renly, and then what? Is it still around, or did Brianne kill it while I was busy scratching my balls?
And where'd Joffrey go off to? Lancel took him but came to Cersei empty-handed, and Cersei's with Tommen now. Did he go back into battle?
As for the 5-day sail, several characters remark that he's coming impossibly fast, and that the wind is completely with him. Coupled with the fact that in last night's episode, after the first ship breaks the fog, the four ships some distance behind him come quickly into view. So they're covering that distance fairly quickly.
Therefore, I think Littlefinger is flying The King's Jet around Westeros.
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Seriously the best episode of GoT and possibly of all tv ever..
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On May 29 2012 04:13 Dantat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:08 shaippen wrote:On May 29 2012 04:04 Dantat wrote:
Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery? What would that accomplish? Even Joffeys subjects hated him, and even if he was dead it wouldn't make a difference in the war effort. The assassination of Renly made most bannermen join Stannis without the need for a confrontation. From what I gather, isn't Stannis is a valid successor to the throne? If he kept breeding demon things to kill the Lannisters, he would get it without opposition right? @Barundar oo that makes sense.
There is probably some sort of drawback to using these powers.
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On May 29 2012 02:53 iamperfection wrote:
Does anyone know info on swords and whatnot. If so is it that easy to cut limbs and stuff off as they were making it out to be in the battle?
Really far from truth, sword cuts in reality very very very rarely cut through armor, so chopping off a leg like that if it's armored just doesn't happen. Plate armor protects extremely well against cuts.
http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm
Lot of information about the sword eras and myths dispelled.
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On May 29 2012 04:13 Dantat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:08 shaippen wrote:On May 29 2012 04:04 Dantat wrote:
Why coundn't Stannis just breed another demon baby to assassinate Joffery? What would that accomplish? Even Joffeys subjects hated him, and even if he was dead it wouldn't make a difference in the war effort. The assassination of Renly made most bannermen join Stannis without the need for a confrontation. From what I gather, isn't Stannis is a valid successor to the throne? If he kept breeding demon things to kill the Lannisters, he would get it without opposition right? @Barundar oo that makes sense.
And one more reason - he had five times bigger army than Joffrey - he was pretty sure he would win and if not for Tywin he would have won. Why to risk another "breeding" with Mel when you have 5:1 advantage?
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