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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:52 Nicknav wrote: Could someone please help me remember what Arya did for that one guy in order for him to 'kill 3 people' I can't seem to remember. =[ She saved him from burning to death while imprisoned | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:52 Nicknav wrote: Could someone please help me remember what Arya did for that one guy in order for him to 'kill 3 people' I can't seem to remember. =[ He was one of the 3 men in the caged wagon when Arya was traveling to the Nights Watch. She helped them escape before they were burned alive. On April 30 2012 16:54 Leth0 wrote: Brienne is so fucking huge! Every scene she's in I hear that voice in my head from that stupid rob shneider movie "that's a huge bitch!". Possibly the only time I've ever felt a female heroine is actually imposing / threatening, in most other flicks it just feels lame or cliche but Brienne just looks fucking beast. Oh my god I know! She literally looks like a fucking bad ass warrior woman. No Xena, no Buffy, no Ripley, maybe a little Samus...anyway...she just looks powerful and imposing. The way she just tore through those two guards early in the episode...amazing. I am pretty sure she can make anyone shit their armor on the spot. | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
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Archerylady
277 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:52 Nicknav wrote: Could someone please help me remember what Arya did for that one guy in order for him to 'kill 3 people' I can't seem to remember. =[ She saved him and his two buddies from dying in the fire. He believes that by saving them from death, three lives were stolen from the gods, so now he must repay that debt. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:52 Hoodlum wrote: It just seems like everytime he says something its a memorably quote. "Wouldn't want to get blood on your pretty white cloak" xD "Please kill me if anything happens to Lord Tyrion." "It would be my pleasure!" He's my favorite side character. The actor nails him. He's a bit different than I imagined him from the books, and older, but he's just as awesome I think. The best part is that we're half done. If this season follows the same setup as the last season, or pretty much every book I've ever read... interesting things are going to start happening now. All the fun stuff will begin soon... and I can't wait, because I don't remember anything from this book except the ending! :D Also, it's pretty cool how we didn't see Ros this episode. Notice the lack of bad scenes? Good stuff, good stuff. As for Dany, I thought she looked amazing. | ||
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IamVirGin
119 Posts
But two things I can't quite gripe: 1. What are the numbers game the iron islanders are playing, exactly? "Winterfell may defy us for a year" - which I take to understand as Winterfell and it's garrison can hold of the entire strength of the iron island army for a year or so - but sending out 200 men makes it susceptible to sacking from Theons 1 ship and it's small crew? Unless Theon has hidden a small army on that boat, I don't see how his tiny crew of rag-tag drunkards could ever hope to take Winterfell. Women, children and old men could hold them off the walls. But if the entire garrison of Winterfell is only 200 men, I don't understand how they could hold off an assault for over a year. The Iron Isles must have a very very small overall army indeed. What can they possibly hope to accomplish? 2. Upon Renlys death all his bannermen (save the Tyrells) immediately flock to Stannis, who was suppsedly very unpopular and no one wanted as their king, without a hint of resistance. I understand they are both Baratheon, but if he is as unpopular as has been suggested, one would think some of the more powerful bannermen would seize the opportunity to defy him, to gain power for themselves. He is also most likely to be behind the assassination of Renly from a logical point of view (which Renlys officers should also be able to conclude), and they welcome him with open arms? | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
Now, as for Tyrion, why the hell would he plot against his own family? Sure he was held outcast for long enough to give him so much negative emotions, but at that situation, what else he has going for him, if not his family, especially at war? Pretty controversial, as it may be a disadvantage to Lannisters, as much as it can be beneficial. And for those who read books, please dont spoil anything. I m just discussing what have transpired so far. And the whole Greyjoy thing - wow, that what i call a backstab. Ned should have killed Balon, when he had the chance to do so. Hell, this series is getting more climatic every episode. | ||
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Aphasie
Norway474 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:57 IamVirGin wrote: Fantastic episode! But two things I can't quite gripe: 1. What are the numbers game the iron islanders are playing, exactly? "Winterfell may defy us for a year" - which I take to understand as Winterfell and it's garrison can hold of the entire strength of the iron island army for a year or so - but sending out 200 men makes it susceptible to sacking from Theons 1 ship and it's small crew? Unless Theon has hidden a small army on that boat, I don't see how his tiny crew of rag-tag drunkards could ever hope to take Winterfell. Women, children and old men could hold them off the walls. But if the entire garrison of Winterfell is only 200 men, I don't understand how they could hold off an assault for over a year. The Iron Isles must have a very very small overall army indeed. What can they possibly hope to accomplish? 2. Upon Renlys death all his bannermen (save the Tyrells) immediately flock to Stannis, who was suppsedly very unpopular and no one wanted as their king, without a hint of resistance. I understand they are both Baratheon, but if he is as unpopular as has been suggested, one would think some of the more powerful bannermen would seize the opportunity to defy him, to gain power for themselves. He is also most likely to be behind the assassination of Renly from a logical point of view (which Renlys officers should also be able to conclude), and they welcome him with open arms? I dont know about the first question as i haven't read the books. But anybody that makes claim to the seven kingdoms are at least has some right by blood. If none of the bannermen have, its hard to convince others they actually have a rightful claim. And one of the bannermen should have a supreme lead in power in order to convince others to support them. Why support your equals grasping for more power, when you can join (and be rewarded) by a stronger faction? As always this episode makes your craving for more so badly that you'd want to strap a bomb to yourself and show up at HBO HQ demanding the full season to be released. I should have never started watching this >_< (Or at least waited for the season to finish) On April 30 2012 18:02 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hm, dont know what to think of Stannis. On one hand, the assassination wasnt as dirty as one might think. Stannis offered terms to his brother, and Renly underestimated him, or was arrogant at best. Stannis didnt bluff, he meant serious business. On the other hand, it seems he is not aware, or doesnt know how it all going to happen, i mean the whole war situation. Melissandre as wild card seems pretty unreliable and Davos kinda tries to remind him that at every turn. Very interesting, to see what happens next. While it's true that the assassination wasnt "shady" under that reasoning, i think letting a religious fanatic who obviously strives for power give birth to a shadow deamon to kill his opponents isnt a "long term stragtegy". If or when he takes the iron throne (and assuming that deamon or "lord of light" can take human form) i dont see why it would need Stannis. Her magic is obviously persuasive too, i think shes as much of a liability as help now that Stannis has the whole army. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On April 30 2012 18:02 NightOfTheDead wrote: Now, as for Tyrion, why the hell would he plot against his own family? Sure he was held outcast for long enough to give him so much negative emotions, but at that situation, what else he has going for him, if not his family? Pretty controversial, as it may be a disadvantage to Lannisters, as much as it can be beneficial. Tyrion isn't working "against" his family per-se. He is the only clear headed authority figure in King's Landing at the moment and he is trying his best to keep the peace. Cersei is an idiot who overvalues her abilities but in actuality isn't taking care of anything. Joffrey is a psycho who is absolutely clueless about matters when it comes to ruling, the wellbeing of his subjects or how to defend the capital. With Tywin preoccupied with Robb's forces in the Riverlands, its falling on Tyrion to secure the city and prepare for a war with Stannis. He is working against Cersei only in the sense that he knows she and her son are incompetent and that if he doesn't act the city might fall. Tywin sent Tyrion to King's Landing specifically to rule in his stead, because Cersei/Joffrey can't do it. | ||
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zimms
Austria561 Posts
(Kinda weird, if their winters last for years, shouldn't they have more food stockpiled?) | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On April 30 2012 18:13 zimms wrote: Makes sense that the Iron Islanders don't carry many siege weapons with them on their ships. So I guess they'll have to sit at Winterfell's gates until they run out of food, which would take about a year as it seems. (Kinda weird, if their winters last for years, shouldn't they have more food stockpiled?) There autumn last for years too so they get good harvests. Little Finger said in one of the previous episodes Kings Landing already had food for 5 years in stock. Also they have least food since all the farmers are carrying sword behind Robb out fighting the Lannister so their harvest are small. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Everything about this episode was really great. But now I'm in for another horrible week of waiting for the next episode. -_- | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:57 IamVirGin wrote: Fantastic episode! But two things I can't quite gripe: 1. What are the numbers game the iron islanders are playing, exactly? "Winterfell may defy us for a year" - which I take to understand as Winterfell and it's garrison can hold of the entire strength of the iron island army for a year or so - but sending out 200 men makes it susceptible to sacking from Theons 1 ship and it's small crew? Unless Theon has hidden a small army on that boat, I don't see how his tiny crew of rag-tag drunkards could ever hope to take Winterfell. Women, children and old men could hold them off the walls. But if the entire garrison of Winterfell is only 200 men, I don't understand how they could hold off an assault for over a year. The Iron Isles must have a very very small overall army indeed. What can they possibly hope to accomplish? 2. Upon Renlys death all his bannermen (save the Tyrells) immediately flock to Stannis, who was suppsedly very unpopular and no one wanted as their king, without a hint of resistance. I understand they are both Baratheon, but if he is as unpopular as has been suggested, one would think some of the more powerful bannermen would seize the opportunity to defy him, to gain power for themselves. He is also most likely to be behind the assassination of Renly from a logical point of view (which Renlys officers should also be able to conclude), and they welcome him with open arms? Both of these can be answered by "watch and see" - but we can try to figure it out. If someone sends 30 ships to your shore your people will respond by running to a safe place and reporting them (a person from the outlying shore village would likely report them to Winterfell). 30 ships is quite conspicuous, they wouldn't send 30 for some pillaging, they would send 1 ship (as they did). However they sent one. Let's imagine a situation. The Protoss sent a warp prism to your third, while it doesn't have very many workers yet, it is still important not to lose your 3rd and since your main army is across the map at another person's base you must send some of your backup army to hold your 3rd. However when your reinforcements get there the clever Protoss picks up and drops your main. As for your second complaint, I won't really say anything or I may give something away. edit: I fear my original metaphor went too far. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:15 Whole wrote: The start of that episode was fucking crazy. That shadow demon is so fucking imba, how do you stop it? scan or missile turrets e: or ravens | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:57 IamVirGin wrote: Fantastic episode! But two things I can't quite gripe: 1. What are the numbers game the iron islanders are playing, exactly? "Winterfell may defy us for a year" - which I take to understand as Winterfell and it's garrison can hold of the entire strength of the iron island army for a year or so - but sending out 200 men makes it susceptible to sacking from Theons 1 ship and it's small crew? Unless Theon has hidden a small army on that boat, I don't see how his tiny crew of rag-tag drunkards could ever hope to take Winterfell. Women, children and old men could hold them off the walls. But if the entire garrison of Winterfell is only 200 men, I don't understand how they could hold off an assault for over a year. The Iron Isles must have a very very small overall army indeed. What can they possibly hope to accomplish? 2. Upon Renlys death all his bannermen (save the Tyrells) immediately flock to Stannis, who was suppsedly very unpopular and no one wanted as their king, without a hint of resistance. I understand they are both Baratheon, but if he is as unpopular as has been suggested, one would think some of the more powerful bannermen would seize the opportunity to defy him, to gain power for themselves. He is also most likely to be behind the assassination of Renly from a logical point of view (which Renlys officers should also be able to conclude), and they welcome him with open arms? 1.The majority of Greyjoy's forces are much further south than Winterfell currently. Balon want to make sure that Robs Starks army can't get back, because he knows he doesn't stand a chance in the open ground. The entirity of Rob's army is probably 5-10 times greater than Greyjoy's. That's why he moves on Moat Cailin to cut Rob off from the North. So, yes the Winterfell garrison is probably only those 200, but the Greyjoy's have even fewer man in that area. However with the garrison out, there probably won't be anyone other than women, children and Maester Luwin back at Winterfell. I'm sure Theon and 40 thugs could take that. 2. With Renly dead it basicly becomes a choice between Stannis and Joffrey. Obviously since they are currently rebelling against the Lannisters, their choice falls on Stannis. The other two remaining kings (Balon and Rob) are only fighting for The North, neither intends to sit on the Iron Throne. | ||
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Highways
Australia6120 Posts
1. What is the Night's Watch doing outside the wall? 2. Which side is littlefinger on? He seems to be a troll that is always trying to stir shit up. 3. Anyone find it hard to believe that Theon would backstab Robb so easily? All it took was a 5 minute conversation with his father. No Book spoilers please!! | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On April 30 2012 19:58 Highways wrote: Some questions: 1. What is the Night's Watch doing outside the wall? 2. Which side is littlefinger on? He seems to be troll that is always trying to stir shit up. 3. Anyone find it hard to believe that Theon would backstab Robb so easily? All it took was a 5 minute conversation with his father. No Book spoilers please!! 1. They see the threats, they want to take control over it. That's what Night's Watch do. 2. He is at his own side, he always been. 3. One possibility is that he deeply wants his father's acceptance more than his loyalty to Robb. Things are not certain though. | ||
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