|
All book discussion in this thread is now allowed. |
On April 30 2012 19:58 Highways wrote:
Some questions:
1. What is the Night's Watch doing outside the wall?
2. Which side is littlefinger on? He seems to be troll that is always trying to stir shit up.
3. Anyone find it hard to believe that Theon would backstab Robb so easily? All it took was a 5 minute conversation with his father.
No Book spoilers please!!
1) Trying to find out wtf is going on, Benjen Stark didn't return, white walkers popping up etc. Now they found out all the wildlings rallied behind Mance Rayder which is concerning.
2) He's on Littlefingers' side 
3) Theon is an insecure guy and is trying to belong somewhere, I suppose, his sister being "the man of the house" probably didn't rub him the right way either. Though it's a TV show, a 5 minute conversation doesn't mean that's all that happened, a lot of things are implied.
|
On April 30 2012 17:57 IamVirGin wrote:
Fantastic episode!
But two things I can't quite gripe:
1. What are the numbers game the iron islanders are playing, exactly? "Winterfell may defy us for a year" - which I take to understand as Winterfell and it's garrison can hold of the entire strength of the iron island army for a year or so - but sending out 200 men makes it susceptible to sacking from Theons 1 ship and it's small crew? Unless Theon has hidden a small army on that boat, I don't see how his tiny crew of rag-tag drunkards could ever hope to take Winterfell. Women, children and old men could hold them off the walls. But if the entire garrison of Winterfell is only 200 men, I don't understand how they could hold off an assault for over a year.
The Iron Isles must have a very very small overall army indeed. What can they possibly hope to accomplish?
2. Upon Renlys death all his bannermen (save the Tyrells) immediately flock to Stannis, who was suppsedly very unpopular and no one wanted as their king, without a hint of resistance. I understand they are both Baratheon, but if he is as unpopular as has been suggested, one would think some of the more powerful bannermen would seize the opportunity to defy him, to gain power for themselves.
He is also most likely to be behind the assassination of Renly from a logical point of view (which Renlys officers should also be able to conclude), and they welcome him with open arms?
Answering only based on things showed in the series:
1. The Iron Islanders come from Pyke and the surrounding islands, and if u glance at a westeros map (like the viwers guide one) you see are very very small. Their strength lies in their maritime power, not in their footsoldiers. Consequently, they couldnt really take winterfell, since it's nowhere near the sea, and even if they march on it, 200 soldiers on a strong Castle can easily hold off 10 times their numbers for very long, in a straight up siege.
2. Stannis has the best claim for the throne, as the oldest brother of Robert. The Bannermen probably want to be on the winning side. No one person could rise up and say, make me king, just based on popularity. The Baratheons are superior to the Stormlords by birthright, how would one leader convince his equals to fight a rebellion for him? It's the logical move to join Stannis, the last Baratheon (or go home, but it looks like they want battle)
|
When Stannis and his right hand man were talking he said something about "Even the Iron Throne doesn't worth it" so i am wondering what are the consequences of using dark magic. What is he sacrificing for the power?
|
On April 30 2012 20:23 Aelfric wrote:
When Stannis and his right hand man were talking he said something about "Even the Iron Throne doesn't worth it" so i am wondering what are the consequences of using dark magic. What is he sacrificing for the power?
Davos (the right hand man) doesnt know the price. Its doubtfull even Stannis knows the price but he does know that no good will come of it and tries to warn his king. Afterall were talking about a common man who has seen a witch give birth to a shadow, cant blame him for being scared.
|
|
|
On April 30 2012 20:47 InFdude wrote:
I hate the Iron Islands. They claim to be manly and to pay the "iron price" for what they have but all I see is a bunch of scared backstabbing pussies.
I feel a bit sorry for theon, especially that scene in s1 where robb showed no compassion after he just saved Bran.
The rest of them just seem like cunts who want to pretend they can do whatever they want, but in actuality just got fucked over when they tried to pull a big move.
|
Arya is my favorite character in the books and in the series. I want to see more of her in the next episodes.
|
Please no more bullshit like this anymore  . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again.
|
On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again.
because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit.
no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then.
User was warned for this post
|
last nights episode was alot of fun, the scene with the dragon was disturbingly cute and kind of piqued my interest as to their growth haha (are there names for each dragon? can the dragons breed amongst each other to create new lineage or is that something that will be addressed later assuming they even all live?)
some things that had me thinking/confused
1) is jorah's interest in danys romantic or more father/daughter-like? i know he's an informant to one of the council members in king's landing (though that escapes me, is it littlefinger or the spider?) it seems as though it could honestly be either right now, but i'm leaning towards romantic. if romantic, i have a feeling we're in for a big let down for jorah and a big change in their relationship in the coming episodes when that relationship climaxes.
2) i was really intrigued by the warlock group, and i know we only saw them him for a few seconds, that interested the shit out of me. was he meant to be an illusionist or actual socercery? again if this is something i should just wait and see no worries, i was just interested.
getting so good!
|
Well, Stannis did have to man up and have sex for that demon. I'm sure it's something he did with great distaste for the act involved.
|
On April 30 2012 21:53 mburke05 wrote:
last nights episode was alot of fun, the scene with the dragon was disturbingly cute and kind of piqued my interest as to their growth haha (are there names for each dragon? can the dragons breed amongst each other to create new lineage or is that something that will be addressed later assuming they even all live?)
some things that had me thinking/confused
1) is jorah's interest in danys romantic or more father/daughter-like? i know he's an informant to one of the council members in king's landing (though that escapes me, is it littlefinger or the spider?) it seems as though it could honestly be either right now, but i'm leaning towards romantic. if romantic, i have a feeling we're in for a big let down for jorah and a big change in their relationship in the coming episodes when that relationship climaxes.
2) i was really intrigued by the warlock group, and i know we only saw them him for a few seconds, that interested the shit out of me. was he meant to be an illusionist or actual socercery? again if this is something i should just wait and see no worries, i was just interested.
getting so good!
one thing you have to remember with Mormont, that despite informing on Danny, after he receives the amnesty letter from the little kid sent by Varrys (episode 7 i think) he goes on to save her, and stays by her side, when he could go back to Westeros freely, if he wanted to.
|
On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again.
Did it look like little to no effort? Use your brain before you spout off nonsense like this. There is a reason magic is so rare in this story...it is exceedingly powerful. You don't see opposing sides lobbing fireballs at each other, so what exactly is the problem?
|
On April 30 2012 21:42 iMYoonA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again. because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit. no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then.
Normally I don't reply to bad-mannered brats like you, but since this is a topic I'm following with great interest, I'll do this time.
Just because I didn't say it doesn't mean I didn't think of the possibility of trade-offs or "limited use" of that demon. The point is, it looks like the easy way out that the writer took. Having magic intervened and then decided the outcome of the battle(s) is the worst think that the writer should do, since it makes the whole thing looks like children's fantasy books. Having dragons and the so-called White Walkers is already enough, that way the "fantasy" element of the series doesn't become ridiculous and doesn't make army soldiers look like redundant fools. Even if that demon can only be used once, it's still a ridiculously good trade for Baratheon - all he did was having sex with a woman and then come collecting Renly's 100000 troops.
Also, apparently I don't care if anyone cares about I watch the show or not; I just wanted to post since this is a topic in the general section of TL. Think before you speak and mind you words.
On April 30 2012 22:12 ZasZ. wrote:
Did it look like little to no effort? Use your brain before you spout off nonsense like this. There is a reason magic is so rare in this story...it is exceedingly powerful. You don't see opposing sides lobbing fireballs at each other, so what exactly is the problem?
Like I said above, yes, it looked exactly like that. What kind of effort did Baratheon make? Do tell me.
And yes, I did use my brain and if you had used yours, you would see that fireballs is nowhere as bad as this kind of magic assassination - killed off the opposing leader and then simply took over almost all his troops.
Edit: By "writer" I mean the TV series writers. I did not read a single page of the books.
|
On April 30 2012 22:41 alypse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 21:42 iMYoonA wrote:On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again. because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit. no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then. Normally I don't reply to bad-mannered brats like you, but since this is a topic I'm following with great interest, I'll do this time. Just because I didn't say it doesn't mean I didn't think of the possibility of trade-offs or "limited use" of that demon. The point is, it looks like the easy way out that the writer took. Having magic intervened and then decided the outcome of the battle(s) is the worst think that the writer should do, since it makes the whole thing looks like children's fantasy books. Having dragons and the so-called White Walkers is already enough, that way the "fantasy" element of the series doesn't become ridiculous and doesn't make army soldiers look like redundant fools. Even if that demon can only be used once, it's still a ridiculously good trade for Baratheon - all he did was having sex with a woman and then come collecting Renly's 100000 troops. Also, apparently I don't care if anyone cares about I watch the show or not; I just wanted to post since this is a topic in the general section of TL. Think before you speak and mind you words. Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:12 ZasZ. wrote:
Did it look like little to no effort? Use your brain before you spout off nonsense like this. There is a reason magic is so rare in this story...it is exceedingly powerful. You don't see opposing sides lobbing fireballs at each other, so what exactly is the problem?
Like I said above, yes, it looked exactly like that. What kind of effort did Baratheon make? Do tell me. And yes, I did use my brain and if you had used yours, you would see that fireballs is nowhere as bad as this kind of magic assassination - killed off the opposing leader and then simply took over almost all his troops.
Have you even read the books?
|
On April 30 2012 22:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:41 alypse wrote:On April 30 2012 21:42 iMYoonA wrote:On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again. because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit. no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then. Having magic intervened and then decided the outcome of the battle(s) is the worst think that the writer should do, since it makes the whole thing looks like children's fantasy books.
So you'd like to deny the power of the one ring? And call it children's fantasy books? Blasphemy!
|
On April 30 2012 22:41 alypse wrote:
all he did was having sex with a woman and then come collecting Renly's 100000 troops.
Pretty sure the deal isn't over.
|
On April 30 2012 22:41 alypse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 21:42 iMYoonA wrote:On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again. because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit. no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then. Normally I don't reply to bad-mannered brats like you, but since this is a topic I'm following with great interest, I'll do this time. Just because I didn't say it doesn't mean I didn't think of the possibility of trade-offs or "limited use" of that demon. The point is, it looks like the easy way out that the writer took. Having magic intervened and then decided the outcome of the battle(s) is the worst think that the writer should do, since it makes the whole thing looks like children's fantasy books. Having dragons and the so-called White Walkers is already enough, that way the "fantasy" element of the series doesn't become ridiculous and doesn't make army soldiers look like redundant fools. Even if that demon can only be used once, it's still a ridiculously good trade for Baratheon - all he did was having sex with a woman and then come collecting Renly's 100000 troops. Also, apparently I don't care if anyone cares about I watch the show or not; I just wanted to post since this is a topic in the general section of TL. Think before you speak and mind you words. Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:12 ZasZ. wrote:
Did it look like little to no effort? Use your brain before you spout off nonsense like this. There is a reason magic is so rare in this story...it is exceedingly powerful. You don't see opposing sides lobbing fireballs at each other, so what exactly is the problem?
Like I said above, yes, it looked exactly like that. What kind of effort did Baratheon make? Do tell me. And yes, I did use my brain and if you had used yours, you would see that fireballs is nowhere as bad as this kind of magic assassination - killed off the opposing leader and then simply took over almost all his troops.
All I can say is Stannis Baratheon is a man of honour, like Ned Stark. He also has a wife and daughter. Maybe it wasn't as simple as you have concluded.
Ending with the perpetual 'wait and see'
|
Thatscene where Brienne fought off the two guards was so good. She just owned them straight up
|
On April 30 2012 22:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:41 alypse wrote:On April 30 2012 21:42 iMYoonA wrote:On April 30 2012 21:41 alypse wrote:Please no more bullshit like this anymore . Conjuring a shadow demon and send it to kill the enemy's leader... ezpz. While they're at it, why don't they have it kill off Joffrey-Cercei-Tyrion-Tywin... or ANY one who dares rise against them, and then take the throne with little to no effort? I swear I'll stop watching if this kind of magic bullshit happens again. because there is obviously a tradeoff, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you nitwit. no one cares if you watch it or not, get out then. Normally I don't reply to bad-mannered brats like you, but since this is a topic I'm following with great interest, I'll do this time. Just because I didn't say it doesn't mean I didn't think of the possibility of trade-offs or "limited use" of that demon. The point is, it looks like the easy way out that the writer took. Having magic intervened and then decided the outcome of the battle(s) is the worst think that the writer should do, since it makes the whole thing looks like children's fantasy books. Having dragons and the so-called White Walkers is already enough, that way the "fantasy" element of the series doesn't become ridiculous and doesn't make army soldiers look like redundant fools. Even if that demon can only be used once, it's still a ridiculously good trade for Baratheon - all he did was having sex with a woman and then come collecting Renly's 100000 troops. Also, apparently I don't care if anyone cares about I watch the show or not; I just wanted to post since this is a topic in the general section of TL. Think before you speak and mind you words. On April 30 2012 22:12 ZasZ. wrote:
Did it look like little to no effort? Use your brain before you spout off nonsense like this. There is a reason magic is so rare in this story...it is exceedingly powerful. You don't see opposing sides lobbing fireballs at each other, so what exactly is the problem?
Like I said above, yes, it looked exactly like that. What kind of effort did Baratheon make? Do tell me. And yes, I did use my brain and if you had used yours, you would see that fireballs is nowhere as bad as this kind of magic assassination - killed off the opposing leader and then simply took over almost all his troops. Have you even read the books?
Why should he? This is a TV show discussion thread.
Tho I must say - even when I read this bit the books, the way Stannis won the conflict with his brother felt unacceptably cheap, and sealed my eternal dislike for that character.
The magic part didn't feel so out of place as it did in the show tho. I really think they shouldn't have thrown the 'birthing' scene in at this point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
