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On April 24 2012 10:15 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 10:09 RezChi wrote:
Joffrey beats his future wife, turns down dem ladies, zzz is he gay and a misogynist!!? It does seem strange that Joffrey turned out so weird. His brother and sister seem normal. All his relatives apart from the incest and being the second evilest family in the books and show seem pretty normal.
He's basically spoiled child x1000
Never really seemed to have anything denied to him, told from birth that he'll rule over everyone one day, everyone bowing and scraping for him. Cersei is a heavily doting mother and would give her kids anything, and his father (Robert, not Jaime) was probably never around much to act as a strong male figure and tell him 'no'.
The end result is a man who has been denied nothing, told that he is better than everyone and that all must obey him, and has never had to treat anyone except his parents as anything near an equal. The end result is a sociopath who likes making others do degrading, humilating or stupid things.
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Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character.
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On April 24 2012 08:45 Archerylady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:08 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
after reading the books the show is kinda ...bad :3 after reading the books the show is kinda ...amazing :3 don't see what the point of your post is.
I agree. The show is actually better than the books.
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On April 24 2012 11:17 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:45 Archerylady wrote:On April 24 2012 08:08 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
after reading the books the show is kinda ...bad :3 after reading the books the show is kinda ...amazing :3 don't see what the point of your post is. I agree. The show is actually better than the books.
The show is very good, but few readers would agree with you.
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On April 24 2012 11:21 Smat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:17 Manit0u wrote:On April 24 2012 08:45 Archerylady wrote:On April 24 2012 08:08 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
after reading the books the show is kinda ...bad :3 after reading the books the show is kinda ...amazing :3 don't see what the point of your post is. I agree. The show is actually better than the books. The show is very good, but few readers would agree with you.
It's always the same argument from any movie/show based off a book. I don't think people understand that you can't translate every piece of a book onto screen. I personally enjoy seeing a movie/show before reading the book so that it doesn't spoil the experience for me.
Edit: Same goes with games made into movies etc... The "original source" is always most likely going to be better. What you watch is always a translation of it's source.
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On April 24 2012 11:13 Gondlem wrote:
Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character.
Well I think it's just to rile up the viewers more, more sensationalist.
It's certainly easier than saying "Sansa hasn't had her periods yet so sexually frustrated Joffrey can't have sex with her." But as always with screenplays you can't possibly achieve the same level of depth/detail as you can in text.
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How do you guys feel about Arya's storyline developing in the series? In the book only Yoren knows she's a girl but now Tywin already knows and she is going to have to be his servant now? I feel like they are going to have a change A LOT. Also I don't agree with how they are handling Jeyne or Daenerys so far.
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On April 24 2012 11:26 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:13 Gondlem wrote:
Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character. Well I think it's just to rile up the viewers more, more sensationalist. It's certainly easier than saying "Sansa hasn't had her periods yet so sexually frustrated Joffrey can't have sex with her." But as always with screenplays you can't possibly achieve the same level of depth/detail as you can in text.
Well I guess what I'm saying is that the previous scene already added in that element. The Joffrey + Sansa scene and then the conversation between Tyrion and Bronn gave some explaination for Joffrey's behaviour, and then that was totally undermined by the next scene. Was just a strange choice. It's not like there aren't enough reasons to dislike Joffrey already without making him a totally one dimensional character.
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On April 24 2012 11:13 Gondlem wrote:
Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character.
It is very much your own interpretation that he does torment Sansa for sexual reasons. I am pretty sur ethat is not the case. I thought he even said that he does not want her, and was frustrated about the fact that his mother forces him to further deal with her.
Him torturing the whores was actually quite logical. He continued what he was denied to do with Sansa. Thereby he defied Tyrion and showed hat he still does what he wants. And surely he perceived that gift of Tyrion as condescending and beneath him as the king. If he wanted a whore, he would take her herself.
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On April 24 2012 11:31 Murkinlol wrote:
How do you guys feel about Arya's storyline developing in the series? In the book only Yoren knows she's a girl but now Tywin already knows and she is going to have to be his servant now? I feel like they are going to have a change A LOT. Also I don't agree with how they are handling Jeyne or Daenerys so far.
Dont talk about the books but for the record you are wrong about Arya.
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The Thirteen looking like some Saiyan force, or the Espada. Great show.
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On April 24 2012 11:36 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:13 Gondlem wrote:
Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character. It is very much your own interpretation that he does torment Sansa for sexual reasons. I am pretty sur ethat is not the case. I thought he even said that he does not want her, and was frustrated about the fact that his mother forces him to further deal with her.
It's not the same as saying he actually likes Sansa or anything, or that he can't enjoy cruelty for its own sake or enjoy making Sansa suffer, but there's a turning point in his behaviour towards her where he goes from just being a jerk to being a jerk who wants to see a guard rip her clothes off. Tyrion and Bronn comment on this in the show.
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On April 24 2012 11:47 matiK23 wrote:
The Thirteen looking like some Saiyan force, or the Espada. Great show.
Are you reffering to the Ginyu Force? LOL
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On April 24 2012 12:22 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:47 matiK23 wrote:
The Thirteen looking like some Saiyan force, or the Espada. Great show. Are you reffering to the Ginyu Force? LOL
I managed to identify Goldo and Jace but the others were clearly absent
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Joff is one sick bastard, but the circumstance that he grows up in help to make what he is today.
Also, HBO has done an outstanding job in selecting the casts for this series. I was not sure about the red lady at first but shes fantastic now(not because she showed her tits -_-). Still Arya, Tyrion, Ned Stark, Bran(may not be featured much but hes exactly how the book describe him) are performed by amazing actors/actress.
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On April 24 2012 11:17 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:45 Archerylady wrote:On April 24 2012 08:08 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
after reading the books the show is kinda ...bad :3 after reading the books the show is kinda ...amazing :3 don't see what the point of your post is. I agree. The show is actually better than the books.
I wouldn't say that, but its SO GOOD. I just wish it had a higher budget.
You can see they're showing the dragons/wolves as little as possible. I guess CGI is expensive. Also, battles...
there's no battles. ;(
I can live with them as lnog as they dont skip MAJOR battles, but showing so little wolves and dragons is sad.
This show, however, is made twice as good after reading the books. I loved season one, but now that I've read all the books, I love season WAY more. So many little details they put in.
Although then I guess you end up fretting over all the ltitle details they didn't put in.
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On April 24 2012 05:06 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Even though the sex scenes in the first 3 episodes of the season are (arguably) unneccessary, they conditioned me into expecting a sex scene for the sake of having a sex scene in episode 4, so the Joffrey+prostitute scene caught me by surprise (I was like "ok here's the obligatory sex scene of the epis-... oh"). I wonder if that was done on purpose, because if so, D&D really wants us to hate Joffrey, lol. Joffrey may be the most vile fictional character that I have seen in any medium.
Have you never played Baldur's Gate 2? Irenicus > Joffrey.
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On April 24 2012 10:53 Kisra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 10:15 Sub40APM wrote:On April 24 2012 10:09 RezChi wrote:
Joffrey beats his future wife, turns down dem ladies, zzz is he gay and a misogynist!!? It does seem strange that Joffrey turned out so weird. His brother and sister seem normal. All his relatives apart from the incest and being the second evilest family in the books and show seem pretty normal. He's basically spoiled child x1000 Never really seemed to have anything denied to him, told from birth that he'll rule over everyone one day, everyone bowing and scraping for him. Cersei is a heavily doting mother and would give her kids anything, and his father (Robert, not Jaime) was probably never around much to act as a strong male figure and tell him 'no'. The end result is a man who has been denied nothing, told that he is better than everyone and that all must obey him, and has never had to treat anyone except his parents as anything near an equal. The end result is a sociopath who likes making others do degrading, humilating or stupid things.
They talk about Joffrey in the books some, and how that he always had a violent streak and tortured cats, and when Robert found out about him killing a pregnant cat he beat him unconscious. It was an aside in a chapter and we are well past the point of conversation in the show.
That being said, the only problem I have with the show is it much less subtle than the books.
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Just got around to watching last nights episode... My god my mother HAD to come in during the ending, that was an awkward conversation. Great episode though!
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