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On April 24 2012 05:36 sung_moon wrote:
Maybe I need to rewatch cuz I missed it the first time, but where did Ayra/Gendry/other prisoners get taken to? Harrenhal?
I really loved the scene, but i expected Harrenhal to be a city like King's Landing from the way Tyrion was describing it (assuming it is Harrenhal).
I guess that means Harrenhal and Casterly Rock both belong to Lannisters?
Harrehal is the largest castle in Westeros, but during the original Targaryean invasion, dragons came and burned everyone inside alive. Ever since it is known to be haunted/cursed.
I wouldn't say that it "belongs" to the Lannisters, more just that they are occupying it during this war. It technically belonged to Janos Slynt for a brief period of time, but then he lost it after Tyrion sent him to the wall.
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On April 24 2012 05:36 sung_moon wrote:
Maybe I need to rewatch cuz I missed it the first time, but where did Ayra/Gendry/other prisoners get taken to? Harrenhal?
I really loved the scene, but i expected Harrenhal to be a city like King's Landing from the way Tyrion was describing it (assuming it is Harrenhal).
I guess that means Harrenhal and Casterly Rock both belong to Lannisters?
Read all the books and Harrenhal looks just like how I envisioned it. Very desolate and a broken down looking fort. No glamorous city
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So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO
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On April 24 2012 05:32 Incognoto wrote:
Was the prostitute beaten or beaten to death? I wasn't sure they didn't show.
We don't know yet?...
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On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO
They where on their way to the wall when they got ambushed by..I guess they're still unnamed so I wont say it..on orders from Lannister. They don't care about the wall. They just want prisoners to torture for the fun of it.
I think you're suppose to be a little confused tbh. You're being told the story from Arya's eyes, and she's as confused as you are.
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On April 24 2012 06:10 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO They where on their way to the wall when they got ambushed by..I guess they're still unnamed so I wont say it..on orders from Lannister. They don't care about the wall. They just want prisoners to torture for the fun of it. I think you're suppose to be a little confused tbh. You're being told the story from Arya's eyes, and she's as confused as you are.
ambushed by unnamed?! Weren't they inprisoned by lannister soldiers searching for robert's bastards?! and those soldiers said they would take them back on a trip to the wall after taking them to King's Landing(Maybe they did say after taking them to Harrehal, I am not to sure about that)
And since the Lannister patriarch seems to be in charge among those "unnamed" it makes sense that they are normal soldiers? Why would they want to torture jsut for fun?
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Well, I don't think they tortured them only for fun. They wanted some information on a "brotherhood", but we don't know what that really is. Of course some of them did enjoy what they were doing, but fun wasn't the main purpose I guess.
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On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO
Well not sure if u remember but Arya, Gendry and the others were already going from King's Landing to the wall with Joren (the black brother that died).
As for the other part, the questioning is just a way for the Lannisters to get information from the locals that can help them in the war.
I understand that it's confusing. Im not sure how much i can speak about the books, but basically they put two different events together, that's why it doesn't make alot of sense. In the book they escaped the fight, then they got caught later on by a village. So there was no way of knowing where they were from or where they were going (now in the TV show i guess they just didn't care about that or forgot). In that village the villagers got tortured so that the Lannisters could find out if there was any valuables hidden (gold, silver etc.) and also about this mysterios "brotherhood". It's the same in the show only now they do it at harrenhall.
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On April 24 2012 06:20 skyrunner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO Well not sure if u remember but Arya, Gendry and the others were already going from King's Landing to the wall with Joren (the black brother that died). As for the other part, the questioning is just a way for the Lannisters to get information from the locals that can help them in the war. I understand that it's confusing. Im not sure how much i can speak about the books, but basically they put two different events together, that's why it doesn't make alot of sense. In the book they escaped the fight, then they got caught later on by a village. So there was no way of knowing where they were from or where they were going (now in the TV show i guess they just didn't care about that or forgot). In that village the villagers got tortured so that the Lannisters could find out if there was any valuables hidden (gold, silver etc.) and also about this mysterios "brotherhood". It's the same in the show only now they do it at harrenhall. User was warned for this post
this explains why they mix up the local prisoners with the stark girl's group
do not like when they skip events which makes things ununderstandable without the book, hope they dont more of that sort
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On April 24 2012 06:20 skyrunner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO Well not sure if u remember but Arya, Gendry and the others were already going from King's Landing to the wall with Joren (the black brother that died). As for the other part, the questioning is just a way for the Lannisters to get information from the locals that can help them in the war. I understand that it's confusing. Im not sure how much i can speak about the books, but basically they put two different events together, that's why it doesn't make alot of sense. In the book they escaped the fight, then they got caught later on by a village. So there was no way of knowing where they were from or where they were going (now in the TV show i guess they just didn't care about that or forgot). In that village the villagers got tortured so that the Lannisters could find out if there was any valuables hidden (gold, silver etc.) and also about this mysterios "brotherhood". It's the same in the show only now they do it at harrenhall. User was warned for this post
Thank you and sorry that you've got a warning because of me. I should have asked fo a pm. The information that they skiped the escaping and catching again part is pretty valuable though and I think good to know because without it this episode doesn't really make sense.
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On April 24 2012 06:17 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:10 Excludos wrote:On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO They where on their way to the wall when they got ambushed by..I guess they're still unnamed so I wont say it..on orders from Lannister. They don't care about the wall. They just want prisoners to torture for the fun of it. I think you're suppose to be a little confused tbh. You're being told the story from Arya's eyes, and she's as confused as you are. ambushed by unnamed?! Weren't they inprisoned by lannister soldiers searching for robert's bastards?! and those soldiers said they would take them back on a trip to the wall after taking them to King's Landing(Maybe they did say after taking them to Harrehal, I am not to sure about that) And since the Lannister patriarch seems to be in charge among those "unnamed" it makes sense that they are normal soldiers? Why would they want to torture jsut for fun?
They were not ambushed by an unnamed party; the leader of the soldiers who captured them identified himself as Ser Amory Lorch, a knight in service of the Lannisters and by extension King Joffrey. They said they were going to take the prisoners back to Harrenhal with no mention of the Wall. Additionally, they were torturing asking for information on "The Brotherhood" which we currently have no information on aside from their name. KainiT spoke correctly when he said Arya's as confused as you are.
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Why doesn't it make sense? We're not supposed to know what this "Brotherhood" is and which town they're talking about. Gendry even said he has no idea since he's not from around here. All we know is the Lannister soliders want some information.
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On April 24 2012 06:35 Rhine wrote:
Why doesn't it make sense? We're not supposed to know what this "Brotherhood" is and which town they're talking about. Gendry even said he has no idea since he's not from around here. All we know is the Lannister soliders want some information.
it doesnt make sense cause, they know that this guys were on their way to the wall and are not from here, so how should they know?
the situation was that two soldiers from kings landings should kill the former king bastard, but the guy who lead the group to the wall didnt alow them, so they called for help from the nearest soldiers they found
when they attacked the starks girl's group, they killed the bastard (at least they think it) and the rest was taken as prisoners, since most of them where former prisoners anyway
but here is the problem they know this people arent from this location, so it doesnt make sense to torture them and ask about local issues, but with the explanation a few post about it makes perfect sense
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I just chalked it up to plausible inefficiency. Upon noting that their target (the bastard) is dead, the Lannister soldiers dumped the remaining people in the prisoner pit. The guards there have their own objective and don't care much for where the prisoners come from. Anyone can know anything. Especially if this "brotherhood" is famous. I didn't really expect the Lannister soldiers to say "oh, btw, these guys were going to the Wall from King's Landing, so they probably don't know anything about local issues." They probably just went on their way with other Lannister soldier business.
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On April 24 2012 04:49 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:31 RA wrote:On April 24 2012 03:53 p4NDemik wrote:On April 24 2012 03:17 RA wrote:
The ending was superb. Episode was good, too. I dislike cliche expressions and I guess this is going to be the first time I'm gonna use it but Carice van Houten (Melisandre) is hot. Her body, red hair, even pregnant belly looked sexy on her. I beg to differ on the last point. That pulsating bundle of darkness within her womb was possibly one of the only unattractive things about her in this series. I was most definitely not thinking "Carice van Houten is so fucking hot" when that thing was being birthed. In fact the only thing I was thinking was "wtf?!?!?!" I agree, yet you differ with something I didn't even mention. Did I say the monster or knowledge of him was sexy? No  Her body definitely is, tho. I found myself wonderin if these tits were real or not. They looked so perfect. :3
Go and watch this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389557/
You'll find out .
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Did they change the Mountains actor?
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On April 24 2012 06:55 Rhine wrote:
I just chalked it up to plausible inefficiency. Upon noting that their target (the bastard) is dead, the Lannister soldiers dumped the remaining people in the prisoner pit. The guards there have their own objective and don't care much for where the prisoners come from. Anyone can know anything. Especially if this "brotherhood" is famous. I didn't really expect the Lannister soldiers to say "oh, btw, these guys were going to the Wall from King's Landing, so they probably don't know anything about local issues." They probably just went on their way with other Lannister soldier business.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't remember exactly what was said during last episode. Iirc nothing was really explained how the Lannister party got there, and it wasn't explained how they got to Harrenhall now. As i said it can be explained by saying they forgot, didn't care or didn't pass along the information. Don't you think though, that when taking prisoners solely for questioning, that helps if you know where they are from so you can know wich information to potentially get from them? Doesn't make sense to me for some other reasons as well that i won't go into.
Anyway, I can definitely see how viewers get confused when they are hunted by for one thing, then suddenly their just off to Harrenhall getting tortured. And to top it off nothing is explained why or what they are talking about. Yeah i get it we are not supposed to know that yet, but it adds to the initial confusion.
On April 24 2012 07:10 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Did they change the Mountains actor?
Yes
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It's clear to me that daenerys didnt want to show her dragons, but whats wondering me is, why doesnt the merchants just slaughter them all, look for dragons if they find some good if not, too bad. thought thats the setting of the book.
also im surprised no major characters died so far, only aryas 'leader' of whom we didnt see realy that much on the show.. i wasnt even worried one second that the bastard would get killed.
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Haaaaa... tonight i will watch S2E4
It will be awesome!
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On April 24 2012 06:17 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:10 Excludos wrote:On April 24 2012 05:53 KainiT wrote:
So what about this torturin thing at Harrehal(I only know it's Harrehal because of this thread). Weren't the prisoner's supposed to be taken back to King's Landing and then to the wall? At least I am sure about the wall part... And what the hell is the Brotherhood? This episode really confused me oO They where on their way to the wall when they got ambushed by..I guess they're still unnamed so I wont say it..on orders from Lannister. They don't care about the wall. They just want prisoners to torture for the fun of it. I think you're suppose to be a little confused tbh. You're being told the story from Arya's eyes, and she's as confused as you are. ambushed by unnamed?! Weren't they inprisoned by lannister soldiers searching for robert's bastards?! and those soldiers said they would take them back on a trip to the wall after taking them to King's Landing(Maybe they did say after taking them to Harrehal, I am not to sure about that) And since the Lannister patriarch seems to be in charge among those "unnamed" it makes sense that they are normal soldiers? Why would they want to torture jsut for fun?
I can't really say anything else without potentially spoiling future episodes. But I can answer your last question "why would they want to torture just for fun?": Its been established very well in this series that a lot of people aren't exactly sane. You might as well ask that same question to Joffrey.
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