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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
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zimms
Austria561 Posts
It is known. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:45 Senx wrote: Only joffrey would turn down the chance to get laid like that, lol. Also the last scene made little sense to me oO To below average looking whores? He isn't as desperate as you I guess. The thing is, if I was King, I would not settle for anything below a 10. | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
On April 24 2012 21:51 GhostOwl wrote: To below average looking whores? He isn't as desperate as you I guess. The thing is, if I was King, I would not settle for anything below a 10. I really doubt it had anything to do with their looks. More about him being a sadistic psycho with mommy issues. | ||
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oYsteR
United Kingdom142 Posts
On April 24 2012 11:13 Gondlem wrote: Did anyone else feel that the scene with Joffrey and the two prostitutes kinda undermined the point of the previous scene with Sansa? I always thought that was a cool scene before seeing it translated to the show because it gives some context for Joffrey's horrible behaviour. That is, he's a bored, horny teenager with too much power and a desirable but sexually unavailable woman he is allowed to do whatever he wants with... aside from what he actually wants to do with her. So he has the guard beat and strip her in front of everyone. Adding in the scene with the two prostitutes and having them hurt each other just makes him seem like an aimless psychopath though. Removes a lot of the depth from his character. Yeah I think you've got this spot on. For me the last episode was quite markedly worse than the previous ones. Until this point the show has managed to tread the line very well between serious/dark and unrealistic/unbelievable, but the Joffrey scene was really unnecessary. Not only was it unpleasant, it made no virtue of its unpleasantness (i.e. we didn't discover anything new about him, but, as you said, his character was made far less interesting by basically being revealed as a total sadist with no redeeming qualities). Jaime is the perfect counterpoise to Joffrey at this point (in terms of how they've developed the characters). The former is a prick but you can see good qualities/he's charismatic, the latter is just a petulant 'evil' child. Also, I thought the scenes with Arya and the torture camp were equally pointless. Yeah it's a nasty, grim world, we get it, but again, this seem gratuitous without being interesting. Part of the appeal of the visceral moments in the show is that they happen (relatively) infrequently, whereas in this episode they were a little choc-a-bloc and lost a lot of their power. Additionally, does anyone else feel that with all the different storylines the show runs the risk of being a little too stretched? As in, we'll only get to see a few minutes for each subsection, which means they quickly become cliched/simplistic (as in Joffrey = evil; Daenerys = tough times in the desert etc). I realise all that looks very negative, but I do greatly enjoy the show! Absolutely incredible television, no doubt. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The scene disgusted me but it served and important storytelling purpose to expand upon a character. User was warned for this post | ||
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HotRocks05
48 Posts
For me the last episode was quite markedly worse than the previous ones. Until this point the show has managed to tread the line very well between serious/dark and unrealistic/unbelievable, but the Joffrey scene was really unnecessary. Not only was it unpleasant, it made no virtue of its unpleasantness (i.e. we didn't discover anything new about him, but, as you said, his character was made far less interesting by basically being revealed as a total sadist with no redeeming qualities). Jaime is the perfect counterpoise to Joffrey at this point (in terms of how they've developed the characters). The former is a prick but you can see good qualities/he's charismatic, the latter is just a petulant 'evil' child. Also, I thought the scenes with Arya and the torture camp were equally pointless. Yeah it's a nasty, grim world, we get it, but again, this seem gratuitous without being interesting. Part of the appeal of the visceral moments in the show is that they happen (relatively) infrequently, whereas in this episode they were a little choc-a-bloc and lost a lot of their power. Yeah I tried to post something along these exact same lines in the Reddit thread and (what did I expect) got down-voted into oblivion. I hope this episode wasn't the series jumping the shark, because it was easily the worst one of the series. With as much plot as they're trying to cram into just a handful of episodes, those two extended scenes of torture were just snuff - they served NO purpose in terms of propelling the plot or any characters forward. Although not gonna lie, I was relieved Joffery didn't make the one whore stick that entire implement up inside the other whore... thought that's where the scene was going. Even though the second book wasn't as strong as the first book, I think that was largely due to over-writing more than anything else. There's still plenty of compelling story to work with, so long as the producers aren't bent on making the show as edgy as possible as opposed to as compelling as possible. User was warned for this post | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
And now you all see exactly what kind of person he is. I honestly can't find a character I don't like what they've done with so far, people are so damn picky...... Also, the Ayra scenes are really important! She started saying her "prayer" (I think I heard her add a name that episode as well, did she saw Poliver?) and the dude who was torturing kept asking the same questions over and over, I feel those might be not just useless information. This is a truly complex story, and many things that you may see nothing of importance in could have slight hints at important information. User was warned for this post | ||
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HotRocks05
48 Posts
It served a purpose. Up until now you might've just thought Joffrey was a spoiled, narcissistic teenage brat, but now you know he is truly sociopathic. There's a blurb about Robert finding him torturing cats at a young age somewhere, I think. The scene disgusted me but it served and important storytelling purpose to expand upon a character. There are plenty of other ways to do this without making an extended 5+ minute snuff film. The scene doesn't occur at all in the book, he's just rougher and crueler with Sansa, something that could easily have been portrayed without showing underaged boob using camera angles and shots from the back and all that. User was warned for this post | ||
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Cleomenes
United States138 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On April 24 2012 22:49 Cleomenes wrote: I think they added the prostitute scene because they couldn't go as far in Sansa's scene. Sansa's actress is too young to go through what really happened in the books. silly argument because it's acting and not really some teenager getting beaten up | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On April 24 2012 21:45 pred470r wrote: Why does everybody keep asking what the shadow is in a thread with no book spoilers? I mean if you want to find out, wait until next week or go ask in the spoiler thread, or just read the books, they are better than the series anyway. Why do people keep saying that the books are better than the series? You can't make a direct comparison between two completely different mediums. What does that even mean? The only valid comparison you can make would be other TV series that are adapted from a book or book series. Can you name one that's better than GoT? Edit: Or better yet, just don't even mention the books in this thread. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 24 2012 22:53 zatic wrote: Here is a great idea: Stop discussing what happened in the book! I think on some HBO forums, they managed to create a thread were any mention of the book results in an auto ban. Not that we should get that far here, but it seems that there is no other way in order to get book readers to understand we want no mention of the book at al ... not even a "I read the book". Still the experience here is great and it's fun talking about the show with people of the TL community, but there's always someone who needs us to know he "read the book" .... thinking we give a shit ^^ | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
I guess it's the HBO staff's worldview, that everyone are either whores or hustlers. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On April 24 2012 22:55 c0ldfusion wrote: Why do people keep saying that the books are better than the series? You can't make a direct comparison between two completely different mediums. What does that even mean? The only valid comparison you can make would be other TV series that are adapted from a book or book series. Can you name one that's better than GoT? Edit: Or better yet, just don't even mention the books in this thread. You can compare the book and the series in a lot of different ways: the way the story is told, the characters and their personalities, etc. Comparing different series, on the other hand, makes no sense at all. By asking "can you name a series that is better than GoT?", you are trying to compare different genres. It's like saying "SC2 is better than Quake". If you want to make comparisons between TV series, then ask "Which series is better adapted from a book than GoT?" Personally, I think that the GoT TV series is pretty boring, since they don't change enough stuff from the book to keep the readers interested. The only reason reader would keep watching the series would be to see some cool CGI and fight scenes, which are completely screwed by their low budget. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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Leth0
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On April 24 2012 22:48 HotRocks05 wrote: There are plenty of other ways to do this without making an extended 5+ minute snuff film. The scene doesn't occur at all in the book, he's just rougher and crueler with Sansa, something that could easily have been portrayed without showing underaged boob using camera angles and shots from the back and all that. I think part of the laws regarding rape/sex/etc. where minors are concerned is that you cannot imply the act if the character is portrayed as underage. I think GRRM said this somewhere, which is why Dany's actress is of legal age, playing an aged up Dany (instead of 13yrs) to meet TV censorship. | ||
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