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On April 16 2012 21:36 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:28 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:52 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode.  I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml.  Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part. Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long. Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful. As if any of that played a role in the decision to take a blonde guy lol. They did not think about hair colour, just took a random guy, he happened to be blonde, the end. That's my point. They didn't think about the hair color cus it didn't matter. To determine it doesnt matter you would have to think about it first. And if you really wanted to think it through in a "realistic" way like you did, you would have to come to the conclusion that the mere possesion of a helmet or the claim by one kid that he is one of the dead guys can never be enough to identify the kings bastard in a larger group of Nights Watch kids. The least you would have to do when hunting him is taking is head and have him identified by the smith.
Let's recap some, shall we?
1. Black hair / blond hair connection was made by Jon Arryn and Eddard Stark.
2. Cersei doesn't want the secret to come out so she orders the killing of the bastards.
3. Regular troops don't really know about the connection, they're just ordered to seek out whatever bastards they can find and dispose of them. All that in order to not preserve anyone but Joffrey with the claim to the throne.
It makes sense. Now, why would the regular troops be told to pursue only the dark-haired bastards? They're just told to kill the bastards, regardless of their hair, age or gender, which they do. There are several groups hunting down the bastards and I don't believe that they report to each other facts that, for example, all of the bastards killed so far had dark hair.
Since all of the people not in the know believe Joffrey to be the rightful heir of Robert --- and note that Joffrey is blond --- they have no reason to disregard a blond boy with bull's helmet, reported by the blacksmith, as being one of the bastards.
I hope this ends the discussion on wether Aria's ploy was smart or not, and director forgetting about something.
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On April 16 2012 19:16 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:28 chocopaw wrote:
Does anybody know of a wiki or something without spoilers? When I discover a good story, I love to dig myself into the lore, learning everything about the world and its history up to the point where I am in the storyline. While looking for a small harmless detail I already spoilered myself in one of the asoiaf-wikis out there. -_- The HBO thingy is neat, but not sufficient at all. I don't know about a wiki, but here is a character reference that only takes information from the show: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3213004&st=0&p=14848579&#entry14848579The season 1 bluray also has a LOT of background info on the houses and histories of the Seven Kingdoms.
for wiki - check this out http://awoiaf.westeros.org/
spoiler alert though, a lot of info are from the books
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Ehm all of you guys talking about the boy that Arya pointed out had blonde hair.... do we even know if they actually DID leave after that?
The scene stopped at that, we don't actually know if the soldiers buy it or not, and from what I saw in the trailer for the next episode it looks like they didn't fall for it at all.
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On April 16 2012 22:10 Phantom_Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 19:16 Maginor wrote:On April 16 2012 18:28 chocopaw wrote:
Does anybody know of a wiki or something without spoilers? When I discover a good story, I love to dig myself into the lore, learning everything about the world and its history up to the point where I am in the storyline. While looking for a small harmless detail I already spoilered myself in one of the asoiaf-wikis out there. -_- The HBO thingy is neat, but not sufficient at all. I don't know about a wiki, but here is a character reference that only takes information from the show: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3213004&st=0&p=14848579&#entry14848579The season 1 bluray also has a LOT of background info on the houses and histories of the Seven Kingdoms. for wiki - check this out http://awoiaf.westeros.org/spoiler alert though, a lot of info are from the books
He specifically asked for a wiki without spoilers, didn't he?
That wiki is a great resource, but it is full of spoilers. There's one at every corner, especially at those you don't expect them, so be warned.
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On April 16 2012 21:51 cozzE wrote:Is it me being completely prejudiced or is the whole sexual exploration in the series ramping up to a level that's going way too far in the current season? (compared to the first) + Show Spoiler +Examples like the whore at Littlefinger's getting jizz wiped off her face, the renley baratheon scene from s0203, the incestuous moment from theon greyjoy etc.
Similar sexual acts were happening in the first but in my opinion it was no where near as off-putting as it has been this season. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely de-sensitized but I think a line can be drawn somewhere when you want to convey the importance of these acts happening.
Personally I don't think it's bad as long as the sex scenes have some kind of point other then being sex scenes. The only scene I had a problem with was the one in the whore house in episodes 2 (or was it 1?) cause it just seemed unnecessary. The Renley and Theon scenes were important too the plot though.
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Can we all just stop talking about the freaking sex scenes already? They're there and they won't be removed just because some people on the General forums of Team Liquid aren't fond of them, every time I visit this thread I see complaints about it...
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On April 16 2012 22:21 sereniity wrote:
Can we all just stop talking about the freaking sex scenes already? They're there and they won't be removed just because some people on the General forums of Team Liquid aren't fond of them, every time I visit this thread I see complaints about it...
This. The sex scenes on tv compared to the book is pretty tame.
Also, to stay on topic. Ep 3 best episode so far. Can't wait for the next. Harrenhal! Yes!
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Really liked Ep 3, especially the Greyjoy and Tyrion parts.
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Sex scenes are fine actually. People need to stop being offended by nudity. There's no reason for it to be taboo imo, at least not in a TV series.
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Can someone give me a brief description of what Harrenhal is? I don't want to get spoilers by wikis.
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A big castle that lies south of Riverrun and east of Casterly Rock. Not really occupied by a lord or anything, but random people stay there i think, right now though i think Lannisters are in control of it. It's said to be haunted because some king was burned alive inside it when the dragons brought fire upon it way way back. I think it's 5 super large towers with a wall around them, but don't quote me on that.
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If I can sit there and watch it along with my granma who I got into the show, then you should have no trouble watching it either. But really if I was a few years younger I'd assuredly be embarrassed.... just has to do with how you handle sexuality. When I was younger I was still a slave to the shame that modern civilization (at least in america) seems to put upon you.
Terrence Mckenna said, "If they could make sex illegal they would, its the last thing that connects you to your humanity that they can't take from you"
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It the biggest castle in Westeros.
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Harrenhal is the biggest castle in Westeros. It was supposedly indestructible but half the towers were melted down by dragon fire when the Targaryens invaded 300 years earlier. Every lord who inherited Harrenhal has had the misfortune of dying some how. Thus it is commonly believed to be haunted. It's currently occupied by Lannister forces as a staging ground for their war efforts in the Riverlands.
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Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell is drop dead gorgeous. With or without gown.
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On April 16 2012 21:22 Kznn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:24 kafkaesque wrote:
Jesus, Brienne is cast perfectly, when she took off her helmet, I wasn't even sure whether or not the actress wasn't in fact an actor. indeed. it is perfect. amazing ep overall. Loved the tyrion scene with all the council members, just as I imagined they would do it.
Yeah, I was pretty impressed with Brienne, they cast her very well.
And yes, Tyrion <3 I've come to love Peter Dinklage -- I don't know if it's the character of Tyrion, the way they write his lines, or the actor himself, but he's just a joy to watch. I rewatched season 1 last week and he has the best lines in the series; even last week, the way he describes the Wall to Janis when he sends him away is priceless.
It's also quite interesting to watch him deal with the whole situation in King's Landing -- some of the players are outright corrupt and excessive, abusing their power etc. Then there was Ned, who was too naive, completely ignored the political intrigues and only thought of what was right. And now Tyrion is kind of taking a middle road, doing what he can to root out people that he thinks would outright betray him, but he's being very pragmatic and measured about it. No heads on pikes, at least.
On April 16 2012 23:16 Shockk wrote:
Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell is drop dead gorgeous. With or without gown.
Huh, I didn't know her name, interesting coincidence. I just made up this screenname when I lived in the dorms, I had no idea there were people actually with the name Dormer, or that some of them were beautiful women that would one day do nude scenes in amazing fantasy series on cable Tv. Funny world we live in -.-
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I'm just curious about episode 2 and 3. I don't understand much history about the white walkers, I havent read the books either but since the first encounter in season 1 and what I've heard so far I feel the white walkers are some sort of mindless zombies, just kill and conquer. But that guy (I don't know his name, the one that has incest with his daughters and give away newborn), does he really give it to the white walkers? I'm so confused now, are the white walkers actually some kind of "people"? I mean they must be smart if they could make deals with him etc.
If so, do they need to make sacrifies to stay dead or something? So many questions regarding the white walkers.
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The blue eyed corpses that you've seen attacking people so far in the series are undead created by the white walkers, not white walkers themselves. The towering shadowy figure that grabbed the baby looked like a real white walker.
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On April 16 2012 23:21 eYeball wrote:I'm just curious about episode 2 and 3. I don't understand much history about the white walkers, I havent read the books either but since the first encounter in season 1 and what I've heard so far I feel the white walkers are some sort of mindless zombies, just kill and conquer. But that guy (I don't know his name, the one that has incest with his daughters and give away newborn), does he really give it to the white walkers? I'm so confused now, are the white walkers actually some kind of "people"? I mean they must be smart if they could make deals with him etc. If so, do they need to make sacrifies to stay dead or something? So many questions regarding the white walkers.
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two different types of white walkers. The ones you see at the beginning of season 1 and again at Craster's, I believe, are actually "The Others," some sort of supernatural creature. The "zombies" that they raise from fallen Night's Watch/Wildlings are sort of their thralls. So most of the time, when you fight or see "white walkers," it is these zombies. But the sinister force behind them is much more dangerous IMO.
EDIT: 1000 posts!
EDIT2: What daemir said.
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On April 16 2012 23:21 eYeball wrote:I'm just curious about episode 2 and 3. I don't understand much history about the white walkers, I havent read the books either but since the first encounter in season 1 and what I've heard so far I feel the white walkers are some sort of mindless zombies, just kill and conquer. But that guy (I don't know his name, the one that has incest with his daughters and give away newborn), does he really give it to the white walkers? I'm so confused now, are the white walkers actually some kind of "people"? I mean they must be smart if they could make deals with him etc. If so, do they need to make sacrifies to stay dead or something? So many questions regarding the white walkers.
You can see the white walkers as a sort of zombie overlords for basics, far from mindless.
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