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Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. 
I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. 
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On April 16 2012 18:28 chocopaw wrote:
Does anybody know of a wiki or something without spoilers? When I discover a good story, I love to dig myself into the lore, learning everything about the world and its history up to the point where I am in the storyline. While looking for a small harmless detail I already spoilered myself in one of the asoiaf-wikis out there. -_- The HBO thingy is neat, but not sufficient at all.
I don't know about a wiki, but here is a character reference that only takes information from the show: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3213004&st=0&p=14848579&#entry14848579
The season 1 bluray also has a LOT of background info on the houses and histories of the Seven Kingdoms.
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On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml.
Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point.
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Maybe they will figure that out that she is lying you don't know yet. Who is saying they are going to believe her only because of the helmet. By the time they figure it out they escaped and are long gone. That would be a happy ending. Or the other ending is they just kill the guy.
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It seems that in this season the director of the show made more and more little change compare to what it is in the book. I really welcome these little innovation. Can't wait for esp 4.
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On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point.
Maybe they're unaware of that trait. ^^
Either I can't wait another week for the next episode.
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On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point.
But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed.
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On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed.
Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not.
It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde.
The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve.
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Oh yes, they weren't goldcloaks I guess.
As to the haircolor, maybe Cersei was afraid to mention more of this than absolutely necessary, so no one else can make the connection? But I think your point can very well be true as well, that the writers just plainly forgot. Which imo would be a pretty big oversight, seeing as how prominently the whole haircolor thing was featured in season / book 1 and basically Ned's whole proof of incest is based on this.
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On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve.
Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet.
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Jesus, Brienne is cast perfectly, when she took off her helmet, I wasn't even sure whether or not the actress wasn't in fact an actor.
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On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet.
My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part.
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On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part.
Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long.
Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful.
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On April 16 2012 20:52 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part. Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long. Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful.
As if any of that played a role in the decision to take a blonde guy lol.
They did not think about hair colour, just took a random guy, he happened to be blonde, the end.
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On April 16 2012 20:24 kafkaesque wrote:
Jesus, Brienne is cast perfectly, when she took off her helmet, I wasn't even sure whether or not the actress wasn't in fact an actor.
indeed. it is perfect.
amazing ep overall. Loved the tyrion scene with all the council members, just as I imagined they would do it.
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Yoren, what a hero.
I'm thrilled they didn't show Dany scenes. Although why did they feature Vaes Dothrak in the opening sequence? I think they should have left it out...I hate seeing those Dothraki tents pitch up even though she hasn't been in the Dothraki sea for the last 5 episodes or so.
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On April 16 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:52 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part. Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long. Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful. As if any of that played a role in the decision to take a blonde guy lol. They did not think about hair colour, just took a random guy, he happened to be blonde, the end.
That's my point. They didn't think about the hair color cus it didn't matter.
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On April 16 2012 21:28 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:52 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part. Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long. Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful. As if any of that played a role in the decision to take a blonde guy lol. They did not think about hair colour, just took a random guy, he happened to be blonde, the end. That's my point. They didn't think about the hair color cus it didn't matter.
To determine it doesnt matter you would have to think about it first.
And if you really wanted to think it through in a "realistic" way like you did, you would have to come to the conclusion that the mere possesion of a helmet or the claim by one kid that he is one of the dead guys can never be enough to identify the kings bastard in a larger group of Nights Watch kids.
The least you would have to do when hunting him is taking is head and have him identified by the smith.
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Is it me being completely prejudiced or is the whole sexual exploration in the series ramping up to a level that's going way too far in the current season? (compared to the first)
+ Show Spoiler +Examples like the whore at Littlefinger's getting jizz wiped off her face, the renley baratheon scene from s0203, the incestuous moment from theon greyjoy etc.
Similar sexual acts were happening in the first but in my opinion it was no where near as off-putting as it has been this season. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely de-sensitized but I think a line can be drawn somewhere when you want to convey the importance of these acts happening.
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On April 16 2012 21:36 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:28 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:52 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 16 2012 20:21 11cc wrote:On April 16 2012 20:12 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 20:03 Junichi wrote:On April 16 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:On April 16 2012 19:16 Incognoto wrote:Art of Kill, think Cpt Jack Sparrow if you want the episode. I don't see how "arya's little trick didn't work". It saved Genjry's ass, that's what (prolly misspelled his name, whatever). Overall I really like how everything is panning out. I knew Tyrion would do something about the council, he's quite the clever one. Though now it's another week of waiting for the next episode, fml. Only thing i did not like about the Arya scene is how the boy they passed off as Gendry was blond. When one of the main reasons they are after the bastards is their black hair, thats kind of an important point. But they most likely didn't tell that to the goldcloaks chasing the party on its way to the wall. They probably only told them about the helmet and that lay just a few feet away from the boy they killed. Well obviously they did not tell them, otherwise they would not have believed it. Just makes no sense that they would not. It is simply obvious that the director forgot about the hair at that point, and just took a random boy that happened to be blonde. The soldiers that caught Arya were no goldcloaks btw but Lannister troops. They are not bringing them back to Kings Landing as goldcloaks probably would hve. Even the blacksmith didn't say anything about Gendry's hair color when the gold cloaks were torturing him. He just said his name was Gendry and he carries a bull's head helmet. My understanding is that park of the idea in killing all the bastards was to because they all had black hair. All the bastards having Roberts look hurt Joffrey's claim to being Robert's trueborn son. Using the blonde as Gendry seemed like a weak way out or poor planning one the producers part. Yea but what's Arya going to do? She didn't know what the gold cloaks knew about Gendry. She had to make a quick decision because the others weren't going to stay silent for long. Did the last scene of the 1st episode feel weird because the blacksmith didn't mention the hair color? Not to me. They didn't expect there to be trouble with identifying him. They probably thought the name would be enough. The main concern was finding the night watch group, and didn't have time to go over every detail. And dark hair isn't a very unique characteristic so it was unlikely that it was gonna be useful. As if any of that played a role in the decision to take a blonde guy lol. They did not think about hair colour, just took a random guy, he happened to be blonde, the end. That's my point. They didn't think about the hair color cus it didn't matter. To determine it doesnt matter you would have to think about it first. And if you really wanted to think it through in a "realistic" way like you did, you would have to come to the conclusion that the mere possesion of a helmet or the claim by one kid that he is one of the dead guys can never be enough to identify the kings bastard in a larger group of Nights Watch kids. The least you would have to do when hunting him is taking is head and have him identified by the smith.
That's a different debate entirely because that would be true regardless of the hair color. Knowing that the dead guy has right colored hair wouldn't add much certainty since most of the group had dark hair. And the episode ended before we could see if they took his head or not so we don't know.
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