On June 17 2011 01:30 -Archangel- wrote: And a king can pardon the night watchmen as well. Or a lord. Just because it was not shown to be done by now, does not mean it would not happen. And desertion implies free will. I think supernatural fear takes away that. Lets just say they fracked it up in the ep1. The deserter was supposed to be a bumbling idiot that was so scarred he could not form a single sentence.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
On June 17 2011 02:02 Dante08 wrote: Why would he run away? I guess cause Cersei knew he would try and claim the throne and would deal with him accordingly?
I think it's because he realized a certain lord of winterfell was doomed and didn't want to share his fate :b
On June 17 2011 01:30 -Archangel- wrote: And a king can pardon the night watchmen as well. Or a lord. Just because it was not shown to be done by now, does not mean it would not happen. And desertion implies free will. I think supernatural fear takes away that. Lets just say they fracked it up in the ep1. The deserter was supposed to be a bumbling idiot that was so scarred he could not form a single sentence.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
No one is going to get a pardon, even if it is possible. It would undermine the integrity of the Order. For Westeros, the Wall is a permanent jail sentence with no possibility of parole. The man Ned executed was not a "bumbling idiot," but there was not sufficient evidence to support his claims so Ned really had no choice in the matter.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
It's implied that he got around the Wall without running into guards, he was that ****ed up in the story. He couldn't string two sentences together, let alone come up with an escape plan.
On June 17 2011 01:30 -Archangel- wrote: And a king can pardon the night watchmen as well. Or a lord. Just because it was not shown to be done by now, does not mean it would not happen. And desertion implies free will. I think supernatural fear takes away that. Lets just say they fracked it up in the ep1. The deserter was supposed to be a bumbling idiot that was so scarred he could not form a single sentence.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
Well that is a hole in the story even in the book. It could be explained in a similar way as a amnesia person knowing how to speak and do stuff like normal.
On June 17 2011 02:02 Dante08 wrote: Why would he run away? I guess cause Cersei knew he would try and claim the throne and would deal with him accordingly?
Because he wanted to be a king and you cannot be a king with 50 soldiers. He needs an army for that.
On June 17 2011 01:30 -Archangel- wrote: And a king can pardon the night watchmen as well. Or a lord. Just because it was not shown to be done by now, does not mean it would not happen. And desertion implies free will. I think supernatural fear takes away that. Lets just say they fracked it up in the ep1. The deserter was supposed to be a bumbling idiot that was so scarred he could not form a single sentence.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
Well that is a hole in the story even in the book. It could be explained in a similar way as a amnesia person knowing how to speak and do stuff like normal.
I don't think it's a hole in the plot, it's been mentioned several time that there are dozen of small tunnels and passages beneath the Wall that wildlings used to use go south of the wall. I wouldn't be suprised if the guy stumbled on one of them in his run from the horrors he'd seen.
And on the matters of law, Kingslayer was pardoned for his acts, as many of the smaller lords that stood by Targaryens. The Nightwatch is a life sentence, and one rarely can get a pardon to leave.
Ned really had no other choice but to execute the deserter. Why would he ever believe a story about wraiths, undead and what not..
On June 17 2011 01:30 -Archangel- wrote: And a king can pardon the night watchmen as well. Or a lord. Just because it was not shown to be done by now, does not mean it would not happen. And desertion implies free will. I think supernatural fear takes away that. Lets just say they fracked it up in the ep1. The deserter was supposed to be a bumbling idiot that was so scarred he could not form a single sentence.
But yet managed to get passed the Wall and all it's guards? He knew full well what he was doing.
Well that is a hole in the story even in the book. It could be explained in a similar way as a amnesia person knowing how to speak and do stuff like normal.
I don't think it's a hole in the plot, it's been mentioned several time that there are dozen of small tunnels and passages beneath the Wall that wildlings used to use go south of the wall. I wouldn't be suprised if the guy stumbled on one of them in his run from the horrors he'd seen.
Also that there were previously other locations of the wall held by the Night's Watch, but could not be kept up because of a lack of manpower.
On June 17 2011 03:02 BeefAvenger wrote: The big difference between the execution of the deserter and the execution of Ned:
-one starts a civil war
The law does not care about the consequence of its actions, only that it is upkept. To the law it is the same.
I don't want to come off as being mean... but what are you actually arguing for? I've been reading several pages of this discussion between you and several others, and you keep refuting people's statements, but I can't actually figure out what you're side of this discussion is.
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