During some random google searches I stumbled upon a band named Winterfell. Anyone who enjoys classic metal should check it out, although some songs from their 2007 album might have spoilers for the second season, depending on how you interpret it.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
On June 16 2011 08:33 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Why double standards? He didn't commit treason. The dude in episode one on the other hand was indeed a deserter.
From our point of view he didn't but our point is not important. From Joffrey's and everyone else point of view (except Jamie and Cersei who know Joffrey is not the true heir) he did commit treason.
And if Ned believed him about White Walkers maybe he could have just sent him back to the wall to report all the details to the commander.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
Well it still makes the two scenes connected and kind of similar. Even the same sword was used :D
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
Well it still makes the two scenes connected and kind of similar. Even the same sword was used :D
I agree that those scenes are connected. But who were you referring to when you mentioned double standards? I accept that Joffrey believed he was doing the right thing because he didn't know the truth. In that case the truth (Joffrey being a bastard) actually had significance. In the 1st episode the sentence was death, truth or not.
On June 16 2011 08:33 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Why double standards? He didn't commit treason. The dude in episode one on the other hand was indeed a deserter.
From our point of view he didn't but our point is not important. From Joffrey's and everyone else point of view (except Jamie and Cersei who know Joffrey is not the true heir) he did commit treason.
And if Ned believed him about White Walkers maybe he could have just sent him back to the wall to report all the details to the commander.
Letting someone join the night's watch seems to be a commonly used alternative to usual punishments. Considering the circumstances it wasn't far fetched to let Ned take the black. There is no alternative for deserting the night's watch tho. I don't really see the double-standard as an issue in this case.
On June 15 2011 23:52 Novalisk wrote: So why didn't Eddard shout out that Jaime is Joffrey's real father right before the execution, just to plant that seed in Joffrey's head?
The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
Well it still makes the two scenes connected and kind of similar. Even the same sword was used :D
I agree that those scenes are connected. But who were you referring to when you mentioned double standards? I accept that Joffrey believed he was doing the right thing because he didn't know the truth. In that case the truth (Joffrey being a bastard) actually had significance. In the 1st episode the sentence was death, truth or not.
I don't see why it has to be death if Ned believed him about White Walkers. Any sane person would rather send the guy back to the Wall for debriefing then just kill him.
On June 15 2011 23:57 Jyvblamo wrote: [quote] The whole reason he lied was to safeguard his daughter's life.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
Well it still makes the two scenes connected and kind of similar. Even the same sword was used :D
I agree that those scenes are connected. But who were you referring to when you mentioned double standards? I accept that Joffrey believed he was doing the right thing because he didn't know the truth. In that case the truth (Joffrey being a bastard) actually had significance. In the 1st episode the sentence was death, truth or not.
I don't see why it has to be death if Ned believed him about White Walkers. Any sane person would rather send the guy back to the Wall for debriefing then just kill him.
The deserter wasn't trying to go debrief anyone, if he wanted that, he would have reported to his superiors in Castle Black. He saw the horror of the White Walkers and what they did to his friends and he ran. He was guilty of desertion. As for Eddard not believing him, up until that day, nobody has seen the White Walkers in 8000 years (and lived to tell about it), it did seem rather far fetched.
Yeah, he thought that if he told the truth, nobody would believe him anyway and it would cost his daughter's life probably.
Which is true, just like he didn't believe the guy he beheaded in Ep1. Karma is a bitch :D
Even if he believed that guy he probably still would have executed him. The crime was desertion, not claiming the white walkers were back.
Indeed he would have. Men sworn to the Night's Watch are sworn for life, and any deserters found in the seven Kingdoms are sentenced to die.
So is treason. Unless you are a high lord and the other side has something to gain from not killing you. Double standards?
Probably, but double standards and noble vs. commoner are huge themes in the novels, and they should expand it in the TV series.
Well it still makes the two scenes connected and kind of similar. Even the same sword was used :D
I agree that those scenes are connected. But who were you referring to when you mentioned double standards? I accept that Joffrey believed he was doing the right thing because he didn't know the truth. In that case the truth (Joffrey being a bastard) actually had significance. In the 1st episode the sentence was death, truth or not.
I don't see why it has to be death if Ned believed him about White Walkers. Any sane person would rather send the guy back to the Wall for debriefing then just kill him.
The deserter wasn't trying to go debrief anyone, if he wanted that, he would have reported to his superiors in Castle Black. He saw the horror of the White Walkers and what they did to his friends and he ran. He was guilty of desertion. As for Eddard not believing him, up until that day, nobody has seen the White Walkers in 8000 years (and lived to tell about it), it did seem rather far fetched.
I believe he was trying to reach his family to warn them. If he'd stopped by Castle Black to tell his superiors they would have smacked him around a bit and told him to stop being such a pussy.
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