On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote: Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cersei only uses poison. Maybe she didn't have any poison on hand? There's no indication that Cersei wouldn't hire someone else to do her work. And Jaime pushed the boy out the window. He may be (somewhat)honorable in battle, but that doesn't mean he's an honorable person. So really you can't rule the Lannisters out at all. It's pretty much implied that they did it. As has been said already, only Jaime and Cersei knew he was pushed.
And Littlefinger was hundreds of miles away. I seriously doubt he could have orchestrated all that.
I also post this that explains in EP 3 at about the 27 min mark, it pretty clearly show they have no clue about the assassin.
On June 15 2011 09:26 woody60707 wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote: Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening.
You talking about that one scene in EP 3 where Jaime and Cersei just found out that Bran woke up. Its starts at about the 27min mark. I just watched it, they saying nothing about sending an assassin. What in it's self looks like they know nothing about that assassin.
So if the only two people who knew what Bran saw didn't try to kill him (2nd time), the what the hell?
And the knife makes no sense as planted evidence. Lady Cat shouldn't have been there, but she was just going to get killed with her son. it was just the unforeseen happenstance of the Wolf that saved Bran.
So wow. I'm way lost on how this all works out.
So yes, if the only two people who did know of it didn't do it, then who did? ...But a lot more then two people know about Jaime and Cersei.
I rewatched the part of the episode you are talking about. I don't understand how you concluded from that that they know nothing about the assassin. If anything, I thought they were implying that Jamie hired the assassin.
Queen: "how could you be so stupid" jamie: "calm down" queen: "he's a child, 10 years old. what were you thinking?" jamie: "i was thinking of us. you're a bit late to start complaining about it now."
When I listen to it now, I see that it's actually just vague (maybe intentionally). I can't tell if they know or are even talking about the assassination attempt or not.
edit: I've watched the scene like 5 times now. I still think that the queen and jamie are talking about the assassination attempt in this scene.
On June 15 2011 12:55 woody60707 wrote: ^^ huh? I thought we could talk about stuff in the book up till this part in the show.
No, you can't, not unless it's in the show. You wouldn't know if you are spoiling something or not. The show-world isn't necessarily the book-world. If you want to discuss stuff in the books there are plenty of other places to do it, including the other thread in these forums.
I thought this scene was Cersei berating Jamie for pushing Bran out the tower in the first place. Not for the assassination. And strategically speaking, it was so the audience could see Cersei wasn't a total heartless bitch.
On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote: Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cersei only uses poison. Maybe she didn't have any poison on hand? There's no indication that Cersei wouldn't hire someone else to do her work. And Jaime pushed the boy out the window. He may be (somewhat)honorable in battle, but that doesn't mean he's an honorable person. So really you can't rule the Lannisters out at all. It's pretty much implied that they did it. As has been said already, only Jaime and Cersei knew he was pushed.
And Littlefinger was hundreds of miles away. I seriously doubt he could have orchestrated all that.
I also post this that explains in EP 3 at about the 27 min mark, it pretty clearly show they have no clue about the assassin.
On June 15 2011 09:26 woody60707 wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote: Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening.
You talking about that one scene in EP 3 where Jaime and Cersei just found out that Bran woke up. Its starts at about the 27min mark. I just watched it, they saying nothing about sending an assassin. What in it's self looks like they know nothing about that assassin.
So if the only two people who knew what Bran saw didn't try to kill him (2nd time), the what the hell?
And the knife makes no sense as planted evidence. Lady Cat shouldn't have been there, but she was just going to get killed with her son. it was just the unforeseen happenstance of the Wolf that saved Bran.
So wow. I'm way lost on how this all works out.
So yes, if the only two people who did know of it didn't do it, then who did? ...But a lot more then two people know about Jaime and Cersei.
I rewatched the part of the episode you are talking about. I don't understand how you concluded from that that they know nothing about the assassin. If anything, I thought they were implying that Jamie hired the assassin.
Queen: "how could you be so stupid" jamie: "calm down" queen: "he's a child, 10 years old. what were you thinking?" jamie: "i was thinking of us. you're a bit late to start complaining about it now."
When I listen to it now, I see that it's actually just vague (maybe intentionally). I can't tell if they know or are even talking about the assassination attempt or not.
edit: I've watched the scene like 5 times now. I still think that the queen and jamie are talking about the assassination attempt in this scene.
On June 15 2011 12:55 woody60707 wrote: ^^ huh? I thought we could talk about stuff in the book up till this part in the show.
No, you can't, not unless it's in the show. You wouldn't know if you are spoiling something or not. The show-world isn't necessarily the book-world. If you want to discuss stuff in the books there are plenty of other places to do it, including the other thread in these forums.
I thought this scene was Cersei berating Jamie for pushing Bran out the tower in the first place. Not for the assassination. And strategically speaking, it was so the audience could see Cersei wasn't a total heartless bitch.
But she egged him on to deal with the kid when he caught them doin' it in the first place...
Sir, not only do you have an awesome name based off an awesome song. You also used another one of my favorite songs in tribute to one of the best characters ever written into novel form. Well done!
On June 15 2011 11:05 Acid~ wrote: -snip- -Can't be Littlefinger : no motive. Littlefinger does everything for a reason. Yes he lied about the dagger, you know why if you think about it, but what's his interest in Bran ? He has none. -snip-
Can't remember Little finger being caught lying about the knife, when and what happened there?
Tyrion says that he would never send an assassin with his own dagger (or more precisely that only an imbecile would). So we have Tyrions word vs. Littlefingers word, but we don't have proof from either.
On June 15 2011 11:05 Acid~ wrote: -snip- -Can't be Littlefinger : no motive. Littlefinger does everything for a reason. Yes he lied about the dagger, you know why if you think about it, but what's his interest in Bran ? He has none. -snip-
Can't remember Little finger being caught lying about the knife, when and what happened there?
Like I said, Tyrion has no motive whatsoever for killing Bran, oh and also he would have won this dagger by betting against his own brother ? Unlikely.
Based on the conversation between Varys and the unknown guy that was overheard by Arya it seems like it was them who plotted the whole thing to put the 7 kingdoms into chaos & war, and what better way than to have Starks fight against the Lannisters. It was probably one of their underlings that had hired the assassin.
Hmm, yea now that you speak of that scene of Varys, wasnt the unknow guy dressed like the guy who offered the girl to Khal Drogo? (eh... I mean, the same man who was having the two 'child' living in his house?) The unknown was sort of dressed like him... If that is true, perhaps Varys' goal is to have the Targaryen back? Or... like you said... to create chaos, but for what purpose? O.o
Whoever they work for probably has plans to invade the 7 kingdoms, and what better than to than after a realm that's exhausted itself to war on itself.
On June 15 2011 13:12 Crazyeyes wrote: Mhm, they might rearrange scenes or whatever for whatever purposes.
I agree with travis, though. I dont even understand why there is confusion. I specifically remember Cercei bitching at Jaime for hiring the assassin. As far as I'm considered, theres no ambiguity here.
That isn't Jaime's character. If he wants someone killed, he'll get up and carve his way through an entire kingdom to get to that person, screw the consequences. You can see it by him killing all of Ned's men in broad daylight in the street; he doesn't care that everyone will know he is responsible and certainly doesn't hire an assassin to do it.
Consider that whoever did it has to have at least some motive as well as being stupid/naive/reckless enough to arm the assassin with a one-of-a-kind dagger that can be easily traced. Jaime certainly has a motive and certainly is reckless enough, but hiring an assassin instead of doing it himself is the last thing he'd do.
On June 15 2011 22:42 KillAudio wrote: That unknown guy is illyrio. I think he's like an assistant or right hand of viserys.
This is sort of explained in the first episode. He is a wealthy merchant and hopes that by currying favour with the Tagaryens (at little cost), if they regain the throne he will be greatly rewarded. Given the fact that he is in contact with Varys he might already get money from Westeros for helping the Tagaryens (albeit at the risk of being hunted down by Robert Baratheon).
On June 15 2011 13:12 Crazyeyes wrote: Mhm, they might rearrange scenes or whatever for whatever purposes.
I agree with travis, though. I dont even understand why there is confusion. I specifically remember Cercei bitching at Jaime for hiring the assassin. As far as I'm considered, theres no ambiguity here.
That isn't Jaime's character. If he wants someone killed, he'll get up and carve his way through an entire kingdom to get to that person, screw the consequences. You can see it by him killing all of Ned's men in broad daylight in the street; he doesn't care that everyone will know he is responsible and certainly doesn't hire an assassin to do it.
Consider that whoever did it has to have at least some motive as well as being stupid/naive/reckless enough to arm the assassin with a one-of-a-kind dagger that can be easily traced. Jaime certainly has a motive and certainly is reckless enough, but hiring an assassin instead of doing it himself is the last thing he'd do.
To kill a grown man, maybe. To kill a child? I doubt he would be as proud to "carve his way through an entire kingdom" to get to that child.
On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote: I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall.
dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about
There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses.
well...we dont know that..
Watch the first scene again, then Jon's encounter with the wight. Its pretty fucking obvious.
That and the wildlings saying stuff like "we're going as south as south goes". I think the stuff the captured one says suggests there's some crazy stuff about to go down beyond the wall too. Did the say something about rangers going missing too or was it just Uncle Stark?
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