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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
From what we know from the show :
-Can't be Tyrion : "I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples, bastards and broken things", way out of character, doesn't even make any sense (why bother with the saddle ?)
-Can't be Littlefinger : no motive. Littlefinger does everything for a reason. Yes he lied about the dagger, you know why if you think about it, but what's his interest in Bran ? He has none.
-It's probably not Jaime : Out of character. He gets so mad he punches his own guard out when the guy helps him in a fight. I'd say Jaime Lannister seems like a man who would do his own killing. Then again, "the things he does for love", so... seems wrong but not impossible.
-Probably not Cersei : She seems too smart and calculating to arm an assassin with a unique blade that could be traced back anywhere near her family. On the other hand she was probably scared shitless of her secret being revealed, so maybe she did do something foolish.
Anyway, someone had the means, the motive and the opportunity.
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On June 15 2011 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
I am now reading through this thread and deleting all spoilers no matter how small.
Mass delete coming until cleaned.
Thank you very much.
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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cersei only uses poison. Maybe she didn't have any poison on hand? There's no indication that Cersei wouldn't hire someone else to do her work. And Jaime pushed the boy out the window. He may be (somewhat)honorable in battle, but that doesn't mean he's an honorable person. So really you can't rule the Lannisters out at all. It's pretty much implied that they did it. As has been said already, only Jaime and Cersei knew he was pushed.
And Littlefinger was hundreds of miles away. I seriously doubt he could have orchestrated all that.
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In the beginning of episode 1, where you see the wildlings bodies scattered all over the place (at around 03:10) the camera goes over the bodies and they form what looks like a symbol, random or anyone recognize it?
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On June 15 2011 11:33 drezi wrote:
In the beginning of episode 1, where you see the wildlings bodies scattered all over the place (at around 03:10) the camera goes over the bodies and they form what looks like a symbol, random or anyone recognize it?
I've wondered about that as well. The bodies looked like they were placed in a specific pattern, but I don't know what or why.
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On June 15 2011 11:16 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cersei only uses poison. Maybe she didn't have any poison on hand? There's no indication that Cersei wouldn't hire someone else to do her work. And Jaime pushed the boy out the window. He may be (somewhat)honorable in battle, but that doesn't mean he's an honorable person. So really you can't rule the Lannisters out at all. It's pretty much implied that they did it. As has been said already, only Jaime and Cersei knew he was pushed. And Littlefinger was hundreds of miles away. I seriously doubt he could have orchestrated all that.
I also post this that explains in EP 3 at about the 27 min mark, it pretty clearly show they have no clue about the assassin.
On June 15 2011 09:26 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening. You talking about that one scene in EP 3 where Jaime and Cersei just found out that Bran woke up. Its starts at about the 27min mark. I just watched it, they saying nothing about sending an assassin. What in it's self looks like they know nothing about that assassin. So if the only two people who knew what Bran saw didn't try to kill him (2nd time), the what the hell? And the knife makes no sense as planted evidence. Lady Cat shouldn't have been there, but she was just going to get killed with her son. it was just the unforeseen happenstance of the Wolf that saved Bran. So wow. I'm way lost on how this all works out.
So yes, if the only two people who did know of it didn't do it, then who did? ...But a lot more then two people know about Jaime and Cersei.
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On June 15 2011 11:59 woody60707 wrote:
So yes, if the only two people who did know of it didn't do it, then who did? ...But a lot more then two people know about Jaime and Cersei.
I think the question is more "who would want crippled Bran dead?" the assassin wasn't necessarily hired by someone who knew about Jaime and Cersei, just someone who wanted an injured Brann to be dead.
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Maybe the assassin was someone who wanted to try and start trouble between the lanisters and starks? It seems like everyone knew that Eddard didn't really like the Lannisters to start with so they would automatically be the first suspects to something like this.
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I've got a question out there for the mods who thankfully keep this thread in check.
Once the season is done, will people who have read the book be allowed to inform us non-readers about the events and details in the first book that the series doesn't cover?
I know we still have episode 10 left that will hopefully cover some gaps, but will probably leave us with even more questions. That said I feel that once this set of episodes is complete we can't really expect the 2nd season of the series to cover any more details from the first book since I'm sure there is plenty that needs to be covered in book 2.
Just a question.
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^^ huh? I thought we could talk about stuff in the book up till this part in the show.
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Yeah I think it's a little silly, although the msg at the top of the thread does read * NO BOOK DISCUSSION, SPOILERS OR OTHERWISE * so I guess we can't.
+ Show Spoiler +The book is made out of paper and has pages.
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On June 15 2011 11:05 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. -Can't be Littlefinger : no motive. Littlefinger does everything for a reason. Yes he lied about the dagger, you know why if you think about it, but what's his interest in Bran ? He has none.
not that I think it was littlefinger, but it definitely would suit him to pit the starks against the lannisters.
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On June 15 2011 12:34 Pinkie wrote:
I've got a question out there for the mods who thankfully keep this thread in check.
Once the season is done, will people who have read the book be allowed to inform us non-readers about the events and details in the first book that the series doesn't cover?
I know we still have episode 10 left that will hopefully cover some gaps, but will probably leave us with even more questions. That said I feel that once this set of episodes is complete we can't really expect the 2nd season of the series to cover any more details from the first book since I'm sure there is plenty that needs to be covered in book 2.
Just a question.
Here's a good reddit thread that talks about some of the info skipped over by the show. Not any major spoilers, just stuff that adds to what you've seen.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/hxu3f/these_are_the_spoilers_you_should_know/
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On June 15 2011 11:59 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 11:16 happyness wrote:On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cersei only uses poison. Maybe she didn't have any poison on hand? There's no indication that Cersei wouldn't hire someone else to do her work. And Jaime pushed the boy out the window. He may be (somewhat)honorable in battle, but that doesn't mean he's an honorable person. So really you can't rule the Lannisters out at all. It's pretty much implied that they did it. As has been said already, only Jaime and Cersei knew he was pushed. And Littlefinger was hundreds of miles away. I seriously doubt he could have orchestrated all that. I also post this that explains in EP 3 at about the 27 min mark, it pretty clearly show they have no clue about the assassin. Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 09:26 woody60707 wrote:On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening. You talking about that one scene in EP 3 where Jaime and Cersei just found out that Bran woke up. Its starts at about the 27min mark. I just watched it, they saying nothing about sending an assassin. What in it's self looks like they know nothing about that assassin. So if the only two people who knew what Bran saw didn't try to kill him (2nd time), the what the hell? And the knife makes no sense as planted evidence. Lady Cat shouldn't have been there, but she was just going to get killed with her son. it was just the unforeseen happenstance of the Wolf that saved Bran. So wow. I'm way lost on how this all works out. So yes, if the only two people who did know of it didn't do it, then who did? ...But a lot more then two people know about Jaime and Cersei.
I rewatched the part of the episode you are talking about. I don't understand how you concluded from that that they know nothing about the assassin. If anything, I thought they were implying that Jamie hired the assassin.
Queen: "how could you be so stupid"
jamie: "calm down"
queen: "he's a child, 10 years old. what were you thinking?"
jamie: "i was thinking of us. you're a bit late to start complaining about it now."
When I listen to it now, I see that it's actually just vague (maybe intentionally). I can't tell if they know or are even talking about the assassination attempt or not.
edit: I've watched the scene like 5 times now. I still think that the queen and jamie are talking about the assassination attempt in this scene.
On June 15 2011 12:55 woody60707 wrote:
^^ huh? I thought we could talk about stuff in the book up till this part in the show.
No, you can't, not unless it's in the show. You wouldn't know if you are spoiling something or not. The show-world isn't necessarily the book-world. If you want to discuss stuff in the books there are plenty of other places to do it, including the other thread in these forums.
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Mhm, they might rearrange scenes or whatever for whatever purposes.
I agree with travis, though. I dont even understand why there is confusion. I specifically remember Cercei bitching at Jaime for hiring the assassin. As far as I'm considered, theres no ambiguity here.
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I guess we have to disagree. But I would say watch it in context of everyone just found out Bran woke up. They are concerned the boy may remember. "What if he tells his father what he saw" doesn't fit when talking about someone in a coma and a fail assassination attempt.
And they are only talking about one event, not two. Also Jaime says if the boy does remember, he would kill him. If jaime wanna the kid dead, he would of done it him self.
But that's just my take.
On June 15 2011 13:12 Crazyeyes wrote:
Mhm, they might rearrange scenes or whatever for whatever purposes.
I agree with travis, though. I dont even understand why there is confusion. I specifically remember Cercei bitching at Jaime for hiring the assassin. As far as I'm considered, theres no ambiguity here.
The reason travis and I are discussing this is because they specifically don't talk about the assassin. At best they talk about in a vague way were one should assume that's what they are talking about. I am of the mind they aren't talking about the assassination. But noting specifically is said out right.
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Littlefinger definitely had a motive to set up Bran's assassination: to start a war between the Lannisters and the Starks. He isn't a part of a great house or anything so the best way for him to move up the ladder even more is during the chaos of war, and we've already seen he's very ambitious, trying to milk what he could out of the Ned vs. Cersei affair before betraying Ned.
If the assassin killed Bran and escaped it would still precipitate the conflict, and even with the assassin's failure he achieved the desired effect by pinning the blame on Tyrion with his dagger story. Not that I really understand why the Starks would just believe him offhand like that, pretty flimsy thing to base a kidnapping off of..
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Seems pretty obvious it was either Jaime or Cercei who hired the assassin. I mean they already tried to kill him to keep him quiet, why wouldn't they try again?
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On June 15 2011 13:22 oPlaiD wrote:
Littlefinger definitely had a motive to set up Bran's assassination: to start a war between the Lannisters and the Starks. He isn't a part of a great house or anything so the best way for him to move up the ladder even more is during the chaos of war, and we've already seen he's very ambitious, trying to milk what he could out of the Ned vs. Cersei affair before betraying Ned.
If the assassin killed Bran and escaped it would still precipitate the conflict, and even with the assassin's failure he achieved the desired effect by pinning the blame on Tyrion with his dagger story. Not that I really understand why the Starks would just believe him offhand like that, pretty flimsy thing to base a kidnapping off of..
I don't think Littlefinger even knew Bran existed at the time of the assassination attempt.
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On June 15 2011 14:14 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 13:22 oPlaiD wrote:
Littlefinger definitely had a motive to set up Bran's assassination: to start a war between the Lannisters and the Starks. He isn't a part of a great house or anything so the best way for him to move up the ladder even more is during the chaos of war, and we've already seen he's very ambitious, trying to milk what he could out of the Ned vs. Cersei affair before betraying Ned.
If the assassin killed Bran and escaped it would still precipitate the conflict, and even with the assassin's failure he achieved the desired effect by pinning the blame on Tyrion with his dagger story. Not that I really understand why the Starks would just believe him offhand like that, pretty flimsy thing to base a kidnapping off of.. I don't think Littlefinger even knew Bran existed at the time of the assassination attempt.
He knew catelyn was on her way before she got there. I expect he knew Bran existed.
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