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On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall.
dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about 
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On June 14 2011 19:35 Velr wrote:Ahm.. I really get like 0 of your arguments: Who shall we care for because Ned is Dead?... The people that want to avenge him? Which would be the Stark-Children (pretty straight up). Snow (moral conflict - if he's smart he will shit on Honor, because all the examples he seems to get from people only show him, that honor leads to misery and nothing else). Why should Catelyn become irrelevant? Yeah, the detective story is over, all she has now is revenge on the family (which rules the Kingdom) that killed her husband, crippled one of her sons and has one of her daughters held as hostage... Her Sister being a crazy bitch also does not make her "boring/done", it makes her more interesting... Calling her powerless is also weird? Her Son, which is a little young for the Job, is leading an army of 20'000 men and seems to share her goals completly... She also seems to know tons of important people in the kingdom. Why exactly are Cersei and Dany more powerful (right at this moment)? None oft hem rules directly and none of them seems to have a bond as strong to her "allies/supporters" as catelyn. Characters that are actually not that important (ATM!) would be: Tyrion and Arya... They both lack the power/support/size  or age to be truely important and mainly get/got pushed around for the majority of this show (till now). Honsetly, Sansa is actually more important than Arya at this moment... I'm sure these 3 will have their truly big moments, but atm? They had like 0 except Tyrion not getting killed...
My point is that I'm not caring for a character just because I'm "supposed to". I agree Snow is interesting but can you say the same about Rob, Bran, or Sansa? Rob's greatest accomplishment until an episode or two ago was "Ned's firstborn" and he's supposed to head the Stark house next season.
Catelyn may know people but she's proven to be a poor negotiator so her ties aren't very useful. Compare that to Cersei who can convince kings to do what she wants until now where we see she's starting to lose control of Joffrey, making it more interesting. Same with Dany who went from her brother's bargaining chip to commanding the 40k horde to stop at her will. She even convinces Drogo to break all kinds of Dothraki traditions. If there was a strong female character in this very patriarchal world, it is not Catelyn. I guess what happens in ep10 will determine if I'm right or wrong about those two.
I am not sure how you can say Tyrion is not important when his arrest is what prompted Jaime to attack Ned, and Tywin to wage war. He's had more screen time than Rob, Bran, and Sansa combined and we know quite a bit of his past and his ability to deal with people despite his deficiencies. He is the brains and Jaime is the brawn as he has said numerous times and so far been proven true.
Arya is more important than Sansa imo because she is what Ned should have been. She didn't take shit from Joffrey, she overheard the two guys underground plotting against the realm and actually took heed of it, and she learned to fight(defend herself) unlike her father. All Sansa has done is whine and cry, and been used by the Lannisters which is why I said she's just Arya's foil.
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On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses.
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I'm amused how involved people get with this show. Raging about things that they don't like, defending the show, speculating about the future episodes and things that might happen.
I think this proofs how excellent this show really is. The viewers care about it. There's hardly anything else that a series can really accomplish!
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On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses.
well...we dont know that..
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On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that..
Yes you do, Sam specifically discussed this in one of the more recent episodes.
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On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that.. Watch the first scene again, then Jon's encounter with the wight. Its pretty fucking obvious.
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On June 15 2011 06:15 Xapti wrote:
Oh and regarding geoffry... is he considered (by that I mean truely) a bastard, right? Inbred at that, too. Also, do Robert's (or any male's) bastards have any right to the throne? lowest priority I assume, but still yes?
Theoretically no, Joffrey is not a bastard. He is in fact pure Lannister. He's just in no way heir to the throne, since he has no relation whatsoever to Robert Baratheon.
As for Robert's bastards, as soon as someone is an illegitimate child, he has absolutely no right to the throne (I mean, he has as much right to be king as a random beggar). Next in line would be Stannis (older brother), Renly (younger brother), and then it would go to the uncles/cousins and such.
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On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that..
yeah we definitely do. listen to the stories that old nan tells bran in one of the early episodes. the white walkers were crazy mother fuckers that rode giant spiders and killed everyone they came across.
though i do think the point is that everyone is so caught up in the politics of the iron throne that they can't see the obvious and immediate danger that is present north of the wall. i think the series tries to make the viewer feel that was as well.
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On June 15 2011 06:55 intergalactic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:15 Xapti wrote:
Oh and regarding geoffry... is he considered (by that I mean truely) a bastard, right? Inbred at that, too. Also, do Robert's (or any male's) bastards have any right to the throne? lowest priority I assume, but still yes? Theoretically no, Joffrey is not a bastard. He is in fact pure Lannister just in no way heir to the throne. As for Robert's bastards, as soon as someone is an illegitimate child, he has absolutely no right to the throne (I mean, he has as much right to be king as a random beggar). Next in line would be Stannis (older brother), Renly (younger brother), and then it would go to the uncles/cousins and such.
So much misinformation... aaah!
bas·tard/ˈbastərd/
Adjective: Born of parents not married to each other; illegitimate.
Noun: A person born of parents not married to each other.
Joffrey is a bastard (not Roberts obviously)
Also, bastards have a higher claim to the throne than random beggars, it's just a very weak claim.
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On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that..
Sure we do. You saw the White Walkers in the first episode, their face is not even human, their skin is pale and their eyes a deep blue.
+ Show Spoiler [picture] +
You've also seen the reanimated dead, first with the little wildling girl in the first episode, and then with the dead Night's Watch troops.
+ Show Spoiler [picture] +
Even from the show alone you can see that these creatures are not one and the same.
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On June 15 2011 06:59 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:55 intergalactic wrote:On June 15 2011 06:15 Xapti wrote:
Oh and regarding geoffry... is he considered (by that I mean truely) a bastard, right? Inbred at that, too. Also, do Robert's (or any male's) bastards have any right to the throne? lowest priority I assume, but still yes? Theoretically no, Joffrey is not a bastard. He is in fact pure Lannister just in no way heir to the throne. As for Robert's bastards, as soon as someone is an illegitimate child, he has absolutely no right to the throne (I mean, he has as much right to be king as a random beggar). Next in line would be Stannis (older brother), Renly (younger brother), and then it would go to the uncles/cousins and such. So much misinformation... aaah! bas·tard/ˈbastərd/ Adjective: Born of parents not married to each other; illegitimate. Noun: A person born of parents not married to each other. Joffrey is a bastard (not Roberts obviously) Also, bastards have a higher claim to the throne than random beggars, it's just a very weak claim.
Oops my mistake, the true meaning of the word bastard was lost in translation for me.
And about the beggar comparison, it was merely an exaggeration to explain that before the bastard son of a king becomes king himself, someone else, a "legitimate" son of another noble family will step in. If we were in a position where there was no true, legitimate heir to the throne, some lord of an other powerful house would surely take advantage of such a position of weakness to claim the crown. At least in GoT.
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On June 15 2011 07:03 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that.. Sure we do. You saw the White Walkers in the first episode, their face is not even human, their skin is pale and their eyes a deep blue. + Show Spoiler [picture] +You've also seen the reanimated dead, first with the little wildling girl in the first episode, and then with the dead Night's Watch troops. + Show Spoiler [picture] +Even from the show alone you can see that these creatures are not one and the same.
I don't remember seeing anything that looks like the white walker in your image.
edit: I watched 1st ep beginning again. I see which one is the white walker, but still, it doesn't really look like that image. I guess they just aren't showing much, it's in the darkness and you just see a glimpse.
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On June 15 2011 07:13 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 07:03 moopie wrote:On June 15 2011 06:43 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 06:41 GDbushido wrote:On June 15 2011 06:18 Carras wrote:On June 15 2011 05:23 Lamppost wrote:
I feel like there's a massive overlooking going about the wall in this thread. A lot of people are talking about the Dothraki invading when I believe the chaos is going to come from beyond the wall. dothraki are awesome cool "barbarians" with at least 40.00 badass horseman that use those cool as shit curve weapons,they figth for they rigth to rule,khal drogo figths unarmed and rips the tongue out of his opponent.... all we know about white walkers is that they are just some kind of zombies that sleep for thousands of years,and when awaken die to jon snow throwing a lamp at them.. wich do you think people is gonna talk about There is a big difference between the White Walkers in the first scene of the series and the wights, which are just reanimated corpses. well...we dont know that.. Sure we do. You saw the White Walkers in the first episode, their face is not even human, their skin is pale and their eyes a deep blue. + Show Spoiler [picture] +You've also seen the reanimated dead, first with the little wildling girl in the first episode, and then with the dead Night's Watch troops. + Show Spoiler [picture] +Even from the show alone you can see that these creatures are not one and the same. I don't remember seeing anything that looks like the white walker in your image. edit: I watched 1st ep beginning again. I see which one is the white walker, but still, it doesn't really look like that image. I guess they just aren't showing much, it's in the darkness and you just see a glimpse.
That picture is a screencap (with the contrast turned up some), right as he chops off the leader guy's head. Slow it down and see for yourself, it is straight out of the first episode.
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oh wow you're right
it was so fast and dark I just totally couldn't see him the first time
yeah the contrast is definitely turned up there though, at least compared to what im viewing
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Yeah, holy shit. Those screenshots were acutallya wesome. ;P
They've used the phrase 'touched by the white walkers' many times, though, reffering to those who are reanimated corpses. So it should be fairly clear that they are not the same thing.
I dont remember anything at the beggining of this episode about them, though. :/
travis, you havn't read the books, right? You're one of us?
and random side quesoitn, why is your name purple?
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I haven't read the books, if you're curious about my name do a search.
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Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I'm pretty sure in one of the episodes Jaime and Cersei had a conversation about it where it was revealed they hired the assassin (they were arguing or something)
IDK about whether Littlefinger told the truth or not though.
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