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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening.
Regarding little finger, I think pretty much everything he has done involving Eddard Stark has been to fuck him over. I think he purposely got the starks to move against the Lannisters by saying it was Tyrion's knife, and I think he purposely got him to stay in the city rather than immediately fleeing when he stayed as hand of the king, because he knew Jamie would go after him.
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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
where did this come from? Also think about the reason why people wana kill the kid. That secret is only known to 2 people, the rest thought the boy felt from climbing...
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Only Jaime and Cersei know how Bran fell, and then maybe Tyrion puzzled it out when he met the two in the dining hall during breakfast. So it would have to have been between those three. And I don't think it was Jaime because he doesn't seem like a cloak and dagger type, which only leaves Tyrion and Cersei. I assume Tyrion didn't do it because he doesn't seem to care that much to kill for his siblings, and killing children is not in his M.O. either. Which only leaves Cersei as a viable option.
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On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening. Regarding little finger, I think pretty much everything he has done involving Eddard Stark has been to fuck him over. I think he purposely got the starks to move against the Lannisters by saying it was Tyrion's knife, and I think he purposely got him to stay in the city rather than immediately fleeing when he stayed as hand of the king, because he knew Jamie would go after him.
Yeah, he made it pretty clear he's got a thing for that old prune Catelyn and he's held a grudge towards the Stark brothers ever since.
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On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger.
Wasn't there some dialog between Varys and Illyrio beneath the Red Keep regarding this? Or was that about the first attempt to kill him? I'm talking about the scene where Arya overheard something while chasing cats.
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On June 15 2011 03:08 Devanthar wrote:Really exited about the next episode! This show is just awesome! Just read this. Not quite GoT related: Sean Been Stabed(he is ok)
I lol'd at the irony. It was on FoxNews too.
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On June 15 2011 08:31 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:24 woody60707 wrote:
Have we all forgotten about finding out who really tried to kill Bran (the 2nd time)?
-The Imp didn't do it. Never would bet against Jamie (and never owned that knife)
-Little Finger lied about losing the knife to the Imp. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Little Finger never even owed that knife to start with (does he know who's knife it really is?). So why did he lie, besides hes a fucker. And he did fuck EVERYONE with that one move.
-Cersei and Jamie I'm sure had nothing to do with it. The Queen would of used poison, and Jamie would of done it him self.
So who the hell tried to kill Bran? I'm guessing its some yet unknown character in book two(or later). Or It was all Little Finger. I am pretty sure we already know that the queen/jamie tried to kill him. I think they admit it while talking to each other in one of the episodes.... maybe I am wrong but I thought I remembered this happening.
You talking about that one scene in EP 3 where Jaime and Cersei just found out that Bran woke up. Its starts at about the 27min mark. I just watched it, they saying nothing about sending an assassin. What in it's self looks like they know nothing about that assassin.
So if the only two people who knew what Bran saw didn't try to kill him (2nd time), the what the hell?
And the knife makes no sense as planted evidence. Lady Cat shouldn't have been there, but she was just going to get killed with her son. it was just the unforeseen happenstance of the Wolf that saved Bran.
So wow. I'm way lost on how this all works out.
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On June 15 2011 07:33 Crazyeyes wrote:Yeah, holy shit. Those screenshots were acutallya wesome. ;P They've used the phrase 'touched by the white walkers' many times, though, reffering to those who are reanimated corpses. So it should be fairly clear that they are not the same thing. I dont remember anything at the beggining of this episode about them, though. :/ travis, you havn't read the books, right? You're one of us? and random side quesoitn, why is your name purple? 
he paid for it a long time ago. search travis purple or something like that and you should find a few posts about it.
Can't wait for the next few seasons!
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On June 14 2011 17:07 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 17:03 Lobotomist wrote:
Poor Ned! God, can't believe it. I hope Robb gives that little shit Joffrey what's coming to him. Also, that witch...I'm pretty sure is just evil. Drogo's wound should have been cleanable, instead it becomes an evil, nasty looking infection, that some she's all too eager to fix with blood magic, which cannot sound good. Also, Danaery's going in there to give birth is going to end real poorly. Calling it now. I keep thinking of the zombie baby in Dawn of the Dead. Man I am so not sure about that right now. If she is evil then what exactly is she going to accomplish with this blood magic stuff?
What really has me thinking is that the witch/mage/healer chick told no one to go in the tent, but Jorah is carrying Dani into the tent. I wonder who's life is going to be exchanged for Drogo now that there's three potential lives that can be sacrificed (yeah the horse has a life). Maybe the "blood demons" don't like horsemeat but prefer blondes?
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On June 15 2011 09:37 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 17:07 travis wrote:On June 14 2011 17:03 Lobotomist wrote:
Poor Ned! God, can't believe it. I hope Robb gives that little shit Joffrey what's coming to him. Also, that witch...I'm pretty sure is just evil. Drogo's wound should have been cleanable, instead it becomes an evil, nasty looking infection, that some she's all too eager to fix with blood magic, which cannot sound good. Also, Danaery's going in there to give birth is going to end real poorly. Calling it now. I keep thinking of the zombie baby in Dawn of the Dead. Man I am so not sure about that right now. If she is evil then what exactly is she going to accomplish with this blood magic stuff? What really has me thinking is that the witch/mage/healer chick told no one to go in the tent, but Jorah is carrying Dani into the tent. I wonder who's life is going to be exchanged for Drogo now that there's three potential lives that can be sacrificed (yeah the horse has a life). Maybe the "blood demons" don't like horsemeat but prefer blondes?
Isn't the horse already dead by then?
If not, there is 4 potential lives not counting the witch. Jorah, Dani, Horse, Baby.
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i think khal drogo migth get "resurrected" but kinda possesed , zombie like, more fierce or a liitle crazy. and danys baby will most likely be afected in some dark way.
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so funny to see u arguing when i allready know it :D
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On June 15 2011 09:31 quirinus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 07:33 Crazyeyes wrote:Yeah, holy shit. Those screenshots were acutallya wesome. ;P They've used the phrase 'touched by the white walkers' many times, though, reffering to those who are reanimated corpses. So it should be fairly clear that they are not the same thing. I dont remember anything at the beggining of this episode about them, though. :/ travis, you havn't read the books, right? You're one of us? and random side quesoitn, why is your name purple? he paid for it a long time ago. search travis purple or something like that and you should find a few posts about it. Can't wait for the next few seasons!
Yeah, TL serach didng bring anything up. I had to google it, which was good. Thanks. :D
IMO you got shafted, travis. I mean, who goes for a colour change but doesnt get it bolded!?
and all these damn book readers teasing us...
but its okay, next season I'll be one of you. ^__^
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Why are all the Lannisters dickheads x ( Joffery killing Stark even though he's actually not the true hier and stark "admitting" he was plotting trying to be the king -__- Stark should've told everyone that he wasn't even the heir and is a son from Jamie and Cersei
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On June 15 2011 10:34 RezChi wrote:
Why are all the Lannisters dickheads x ( Joffery killing Stark even though he's actually not the true hier and stark "admitting" he was plotting trying to be the king -__- Stark should've told everyone that he wasn't even the heir and is a son from Jamie and Cersei
Had he known execution was inevitable, he very well might have done that. He knew Cersei wouldn't order his death, since that guarantees a war with the north. I think he just didn't fully take into account how headstrong and idiotic Joffrey would be. Ned expected to confess to a false crime and be sent into exile on The Wall.
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On June 15 2011 10:34 RezChi wrote:
Why are all the Lannisters dickheads x ( Joffery killing Stark even though he's actually not the true hier and stark "admitting" he was plotting trying to be the king -__- Stark should've told everyone that
he wasn't even the heir and is a son from Jamie and Cersei
Had Eddard told the people the truth, he would have died shortly after, and Sansa may have very well paid a price as well. Joffrey would likely just deny it as the mad raving words of a traitor condemned to die, and its unlikely anything good would have come from it.
Eddard lied to try and protect his daughters and family, and save thousands of lives on a war he thought could be averted. Cersei would have let him take the black and live the rest of his life on the wall (in exchange for him keeping the truth to himself). Had Joffrey not been a twat, Robb wouldn't have to march his armies south to rescue his father, the Starks and the Lannisters would avoid a war, and Winterfell would remain safe. He chose love over honor, exactly what Maester Aemon was talking to Jon about earlier in the episode.
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Philosophically speaking, I would contest that he didn't choose anything over honor. I think it's honorable for an honest man to make the sacrifice of lying for the benefit of others.
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Joffrey doesn't know he's an incestuous bastard. In his mind, he's the rightful heir and he truly believes Eddard Stark to be a traitor. It doesn't make him a saint, but he does have a reason to be pissed off at Ned.
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On June 15 2011 10:55 travis wrote:
Philosophically speaking, I would contest that he didn't choose anything over honor. I think it's honorable for an honest man to make the sacrifice of lying for the benefit of others.
Yeah, I'd say he definitely did it to serve the realm as the bald, ball-less dude said. Save the children, but the Stark kid looks like he's out for an ass whooping.
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