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On May 16 2019 01:16 VHbb wrote:I feel that if some people would watch season 1-2 with the same attitude of "let's find what's horribly wrong with this now", they would come up with the same amount of shit to pour over it 
As someone who started S1 right before the premier and is on S5 now I really wouldn't recommend watching the early seasons until after the finale.
I was happy with ClegangeBowl (why not I guess), but seeing that a day apart from the Brienne & Hound fight and Hound 'death' didn't feel particularly great.
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On May 16 2019 01:16 VHbb wrote:Part of the problem is in the language and the "vehemence" with which overly negative comments are posted. If the thread becomes a wall of posts where "the writing is fucking bad", "they made everything senseless", "they ruined 8 seasons of character development", "this and that is fucking idiotic", "this is dumb and this is dumber", "this is objectively fucking bad writing", I don't feel very engaged in talking about what I liked about the episode.. I feel like you are telling me I'm an idiot because I like a TV show.. If I like something I don't usually write: "this character arc was objectively fucking good, if you don't like it you are an idiot" (I know I know, nobody called anyone an idiot, but it's somehow what comes out of many negative posts..) No problem in critiquing the show, I've much to say about what I did not like, but at some point it becomes really heavy to read pages of verbal insults and trash talking. I get it, for you (generic person that dislike GoT) these seasons are trash, and they ruined what was for you a good series. Do you really need to vent on a public forum every week? I think it's reasonable to say that if this thread becomes a "Letting Off Steam Thread [GoT edition]", it's not the best for people that still enjoy it or in any case would like to talk about it without burning rage or heavy tones.. edit: let me add there are many posts which present negative critiques on the episode that I actually enjoy reading, because they are not written from a condescending stand point, and they don't assume that if you don't see it the same you are an idiot all the same, there are many more posts which seem to be written simply because bashing on the show is kind of the trend of the moment I feel that if some people would watch season 1-2 with the same attitude of "let's find what's horribly wrong with this now", they would come up with the same amount of shit to pour over it
Pretty sure if you search for my posts about season 2, you'll see I had a fair amount of criticism about how they changed Daenerys's storyline in Qarth. And season 1 I think I had a thing or two to say about Ros being a somewhat major character. But overall the story was simply told better in seasons 1 and 2 than it is now. They took the time to expose the motivations for things, rather than just telling us it was so and assuming that because Arya *says* Sansa is the smartest person she knows, that means Sansa *is* the smartest person in Westeros. Similarly, Varys *saying* he fears for Dany's sanity means she *is* stark raving bonkers. In seasons 1 and 2 the show still took the time to show us things.
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On May 16 2019 00:45 Logo wrote:
Isn't this what we potentially have to look forward to next episode? We haven't seen anything post burning yet.
It's a workable line I think, but burning the entire city strains that motivation a bit compared to something less horrific, but equally as cruel (like burning the Red Keep + the gathered masses).
Yea, I agree that would have been a better angle. Bring up the wildfire spread around the city sometime in the episode before the attack and have her initial horrific action spring about even worse destruction and you still leave a little grey room. Brings the conversation from 'who' will try to kill Dany into a 'should they'. If that is a decision that has to be made, I want it to be as hard as possible on the character trying to carry it out. If they heavy hand it and have Dany openly plotting to kill Sansa next or something of the sort, I will be disappointed.
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On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit.
I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing.
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I am sorry if i have been too negative about the show, but it's honestly the only way i can enjoy it after the show is over. I watch it, i like some parts of the episode. Episode 5 was great in just every production value, holy shit it was great. But that greatness ends the second the episode ends and i can finally start thinking about what i just saw. And then i am flooded with realisations of how bad the scenes were from a story and logical standpoint. And i instantly hate the whole episode for being accused of stupidity by the showrunners. I am not trying to jump on a bandwagon, feeling validated is of course one of the reasons we are on such a thread, i am shitting on the show because i have to. And i will defend my criticism of the worst joke on the show so far. Tyrion mispronouncing Dohraki words is terrible because it does not fit this world. It does fit into Disney movies, cartoons, bad comedies by Adam Sandler, stuff like that. Sure, some people may find it funny and there is nothing wrong wih liking that joke, but in my opinion it is malplaced.
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On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing.
To be fair, stabbing the king in the back saved both himself and his father. So it is *possible* he doesn't care about innocents at all, but we do have some supporting evidence he has a moral compass that doesn't allow him to let innocents be totally slaughtered (see fighting against the Night King) and doubly so because of how the scene with Brienne plays out.
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On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing.
The same way they "kind of forgot" that Sam is the older brother, which is the reason he is with the night watch to begin with as his father wanted to disown him so his younger brother Dickon could be the heir.
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I have no problem with Varys fate and thought the beginning of the episode up to Varys death was actually the most realistic outcome possible in the context of the show.
Varys clearly was worried about Dany going mad this season, I just don't think they gave him good enough reasons to be worried about this. What has Dany done since last season to think now she is going insane? It's obvious madness is what the writers wanted the audience to be concerned with, but Varys being retroactively correct doesn't mean his reasons prior to her acting completely out of character and burning the whole city down were logical at the time.
Varys and Tyrion made it seem like Dany wanting to attack King's Landing with dragons would unavoidably kill lots of innocents because Cersei was using them as human shields. I expected something like that would happen and it could have worked.
But the show had Dany single-handedly destroy all the city's defenses and knock down the walls with Drogon with ZERO civilian casualties shown. There are dozens of ways they could have come to Dany going mad/and or killing innocents in a more organic fashion. Have her attack the Red Keep and accidentally set off wild fire that burns the rest of the city. Have the fires accidentally spread when she is taking out the city defenses and burn the city. Have her learn that Tyrion has betrayed her and released Jaime right before the battle sending her into a rage. Have her burn down the already surrendered Lannister soldiers. Have Rhaegal die during the fight for the city rather than from "forgetting about the iron Fleet". Have Cersei kill Missandei AFTER the city surrenders. None of these are award winning ideas that came from hours of brainstorming, but better than just flipping the mad switch after sitting there calmly for several minutes until after the city had surrendered. Create grey situations where lots of innocents die because of Dany, but Dany isn't purposely hunting down and killing innocents.
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On May 16 2019 01:44 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing. To be fair, stabbing the king in the back saved both himself and his father. So it is *possible* he doesn't care about innocents at all, but we do have some supporting evidence he has a moral compass that doesn't allow him to let innocents be totally slaughtered (see fighting against the Night King) and doubly so because of how the scene with Brienne plays out.
I mean one can imply that Jaime only used the story about the wildfire, the thousands of innocents who would have died, etc to hide his true motivation, but all the actions surrounding this scene (helping brienne two times for example) are direct stepping stones for the audience to like jaime more, to see him as a grey character with flaws but also good in him.
Imo it seems fairly clear that he cared, now his life goal wasn't to travel around the world and help peasants whenever he can, but it certainly wasn't the case that he never cared :/
It doesn't help that he ends up with cersei again after he knew about her blowing people up in the sept, him knowing about cersei trying to be opportunistic in the face of the potential end of humanity and then him knowing that cersei literally sent bronn to kill him. If you want to tell the story that he is just too addicted to her, ok that is fine. But the steps between the start and the end have to be emotionally understandable, i think this breaks here.
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On May 16 2019 00:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
All of which I think are fine and explicable, they just aren’t presented well at all.
I can buy Varys rushing and being sloppy, but what’s triggering him to act so hastily? He’s stuck around and tolerated atrocities for bloody ages, I can buy him deciding that his scheming has failed to actualise his goals and he needs to go further, faster in this instance.
I just don’t really buy that outside of a hunch he has enough
to go off that Dany is going to do something massively heinous, or that Jon moderating her isn’t possible or whatever.
If, like some of my favourite shows a network is cancelling and you have to panically wrap up everything you’ve set up I’ll cut writers quite some slack, as far as I understand it DnD themselves imposed the very episode limit that put them in this corner because they said they could wrap it up in the run we have.
I am somewhat in the same boat. Maybe a simple addition of a little dialogue would have helped. "I have seen men's descent into madness more times than I care to remember, from commoners to kings alike. I pray I am wrong, but.. *sudden interruption* .. *ominous tones as he walks off*
In his mind, it's a matter of likelihood. 0% chance for Jon, XX% for Dany and growing.. With his chance of changing anything diminishing with each passing day. Center it on his desperation to act while he has the power to do so beyond how sure he is of being right and it makes more sense.
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This is Diablo Immortal all over again. If you don't understand why people are upset you probably never will.
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On May 16 2019 01:44 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing. To be fair, stabbing the king in the back saved both himself and his father. So it is *possible* he doesn't care about innocents at all, but we do have some supporting evidence he has a moral compass that doesn't allow him to let innocents be totally slaughtered (see fighting against the Night King) and doubly so because of how the scene with Brienne plays out.
He could also be lying to Brienne so she will not follow him. That is how I took it at least. In a longer version of the season, I could see Jamie hanging out in Winterfell, but feeling "wrong" and unable to leave Cersei behind. That he was to damaged a person to ever have a normal life or relationships, so he goes back to Cersei when he believes things might end poorly. We forget that Jamie has had this really fucked up life and had only slept with his sister. He has never had a "normal" relationship. But the show is on this speed run course, so there was no way to articulate that.
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On May 16 2019 02:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 01:44 Logo wrote:On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing. To be fair, stabbing the king in the back saved both himself and his father. So it is *possible* he doesn't care about innocents at all, but we do have some supporting evidence he has a moral compass that doesn't allow him to let innocents be totally slaughtered (see fighting against the Night King) and doubly so because of how the scene with Brienne plays out. He could also be lying to Brienne so she will not follow him. That is how I took it at least. In a longer version of the season, I could see Jamie hanging out in Winterfell, but feeling "wrong" and unable to leave Cersei behind. That he was to damaged a person to ever have a normal life or relationships, so he goes back to Cersei when he believes things might end poorly. We forget that Jamie has had this really fucked up life and had only slept with his sister. He has never had a "normal" relationship. But the show is on this speed run course, so there was no way to articulate that.
It's also probably worth keeping in mind that Jaime believes that Cersei is pregnant with his child. Even as a completely normal person he may feel a strong tug to try and save the life of the baby.
[edit]But to be clear I do believe Jaime does care about the innocents, the Brienne Bath story establishes he's not a man without a moral compass of some sort. So it's not like I want to justify the dialogue before Jaime dies, it's just interesting that he didn't directly contradict himself so much as contradict the really really strong implication he made.
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On May 16 2019 02:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 01:44 Logo wrote:On May 16 2019 01:41 crms wrote:On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important sceneThat's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs. D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit. I made a similar post earlier in this thread and that scene still bothers me. How can they make Jamie say he never cared for innocents when his entire relevance to the series was due to him stabbing the mad king in the back to prevent the loss of innocent lives. So disappointing. To be fair, stabbing the king in the back saved both himself and his father. So it is *possible* he doesn't care about innocents at all, but we do have some supporting evidence he has a moral compass that doesn't allow him to let innocents be totally slaughtered (see fighting against the Night King) and doubly so because of how the scene with Brienne plays out. He could also be lying to Brienne so she will not follow him. That is how I took it at least. In a longer version of the season, I could see Jamie hanging out in Winterfell, but feeling "wrong" and unable to leave Cersei behind. That he was to damaged a person to ever have a normal life or relationships, so he goes back to Cersei when he believes things might end poorly. We forget that Jamie has had this really fucked up life and had only slept with his sister. He has never had a "normal" relationship. But the show is on this speed run course, so there was no way to articulate that.
I think he's referring to the scene with Brienne in the bath, not the scene where he leaves Winterfell.
In any case, it's been exhausting trying to debate and reconcile everything. I'm trying my best to enjoy the show for what it has become but I'm not doing so successfully. This season has had it's moments certainly and some of the scenes are jaw dropping-awesomeness but it lacks most of the qualities that made me really fall in love with the show so now I'm just sad.
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On May 16 2019 01:58 dp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 00:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
All of which I think are fine and explicable, they just aren’t presented well at all.
I can buy Varys rushing and being sloppy, but what’s triggering him to act so hastily? He’s stuck around and tolerated atrocities for bloody ages, I can buy him deciding that his scheming has failed to actualise his goals and he needs to go further, faster in this instance.
I just don’t really buy that outside of a hunch he has enough
to go off that Dany is going to do something massively heinous, or that Jon moderating her isn’t possible or whatever.
If, like some of my favourite shows a network is cancelling and you have to panically wrap up everything you’ve set up I’ll cut writers quite some slack, as far as I understand it DnD themselves imposed the very episode limit that put them in this corner because they said they could wrap it up in the run we have. I am somewhat in the same boat. Maybe a simple addition of a little dialogue would have helped. "I have seen men's descent into madness more times than I care to remember, from commoners to kings alike. I pray I am wrong, but.. *sudden interruption* .. *ominous tones as he walks off* In his mind, it's a matter of likelihood. 0% chance for Jon, XX% for Dany and growing.. With his chance of changing anything diminishing with each passing day. Center it on his desperation to act while he has the power to do so beyond how sure he is of being right and it makes more sense.
Which was really all you needed, and they’re not expensive scenes to shoot either. Just a few more scenes or even lines from Tyrion, Varys, Jon and Dany to flesh it out a little more
Which is doubly frustrating because I felt the destruction and Arya wandering about were lingered on a bit too much too. Not terrible but we’d already been shown enough to ram home the impact and then some. To the detriment of the stuff I think we actually needed to sell character choices
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On May 16 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 01:58 dp wrote:On May 16 2019 00:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
All of which I think are fine and explicable, they just aren’t presented well at all.
I can buy Varys rushing and being sloppy, but what’s triggering him to act so hastily? He’s stuck around and tolerated atrocities for bloody ages, I can buy him deciding that his scheming has failed to actualise his goals and he needs to go further, faster in this instance.
I just don’t really buy that outside of a hunch he has enough
to go off that Dany is going to do something massively heinous, or that Jon moderating her isn’t possible or whatever.
If, like some of my favourite shows a network is cancelling and you have to panically wrap up everything you’ve set up I’ll cut writers quite some slack, as far as I understand it DnD themselves imposed the very episode limit that put them in this corner because they said they could wrap it up in the run we have. I am somewhat in the same boat. Maybe a simple addition of a little dialogue would have helped. "I have seen men's descent into madness more times than I care to remember, from commoners to kings alike. I pray I am wrong, but.. *sudden interruption* .. *ominous tones as he walks off* In his mind, it's a matter of likelihood. 0% chance for Jon, XX% for Dany and growing.. With his chance of changing anything diminishing with each passing day. Center it on his desperation to act while he has the power to do so beyond how sure he is of being right and it makes more sense. Which was really all you needed, and they’re not expensive scenes to shoot either. Just a few more scenes or even lines from Tyrion, Varys, Jon and Dany to flesh it out a little more Which is doubly frustrating because I felt the destruction and Arya wandering about were lingered on a bit too much too. Not terrible but we’d already been shown enough to ram home the impact and then some. To the detriment of the stuff I think we actually needed to sell character choices
Maybe a few more lines to flesh out the Dany side.
But what about the Jon side?
If it takes you 2 years to find the mad emperor genes in Dany how can you be so sure he does not have them too?
Did they even talk to each other before this season?
And even if...would you bank everything on your apparently flawed ability to judge characters?
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On May 16 2019 03:18 Garbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 16 2019 01:58 dp wrote:On May 16 2019 00:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
All of which I think are fine and explicable, they just aren’t presented well at all.
I can buy Varys rushing and being sloppy, but what’s triggering him to act so hastily? He’s stuck around and tolerated atrocities for bloody ages, I can buy him deciding that his scheming has failed to actualise his goals and he needs to go further, faster in this instance.
I just don’t really buy that outside of a hunch he has enough
to go off that Dany is going to do something massively heinous, or that Jon moderating her isn’t possible or whatever.
If, like some of my favourite shows a network is cancelling and you have to panically wrap up everything you’ve set up I’ll cut writers quite some slack, as far as I understand it DnD themselves imposed the very episode limit that put them in this corner because they said they could wrap it up in the run we have. I am somewhat in the same boat. Maybe a simple addition of a little dialogue would have helped. "I have seen men's descent into madness more times than I care to remember, from commoners to kings alike. I pray I am wrong, but.. *sudden interruption* .. *ominous tones as he walks off* In his mind, it's a matter of likelihood. 0% chance for Jon, XX% for Dany and growing.. With his chance of changing anything diminishing with each passing day. Center it on his desperation to act while he has the power to do so beyond how sure he is of being right and it makes more sense. Which was really all you needed, and they’re not expensive scenes to shoot either. Just a few more scenes or even lines from Tyrion, Varys, Jon and Dany to flesh it out a little more Which is doubly frustrating because I felt the destruction and Arya wandering about were lingered on a bit too much too. Not terrible but we’d already been shown enough to ram home the impact and then some. To the detriment of the stuff I think we actually needed to sell character choices Maybe a few more lines to flesh out the Dany side. But what about the Jon side? If it takes you 2 years to find the mad emperor genes in Dany how can you be so sure he does not have them too? Did they even talk to each other before this season? And even if...would you bank everything on your apparently flawed ability to judge characters?
It’s in this area I struggle to remember book lore vs the show stance on it.
Book lore seems to present the Mad King’s madness as a gradual thing, even partly explicable by environmental factors, rather like certain mental illnesses in actuality, and partly a consequence of Targs and their tendency to incest as well.
I can’t recall offhand how the show itself treats it, whether it’s more analogous to realistic mental illness or some kind of fantasy madness that can strike suddenly.
If it’s the former then I could imagine Varys, especially given he’s seen it before being extremely wary, but equally not jumping too hastily based on the evidence we’ve seen prior to episode 5.
If it’s the latter then Varys having an ‘oh shit another mad one’ moment and reacting the way he did makes a lot more sense.
I don’t want to trash the show here for not adhering to something that’s more in the books if you get me, I just can’t recall what I know from the show and what’s book stuff when it comes to the auld Mad King
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Prior to burning down King's Landing, Tywin was much more ruthless and cruel to his enemies and his enemies people than anything Dany had ever done, but nobody thought he was going crazy. From season 1 he was ordering the rape, pillage and enslavement of people in the River Lands by the Mountain and his men, but nobody thought he was doing it because he was insane. He broke guest rights when planning the Red Wedding, didn't even give them a chance to bend the knee, but nobody thought that was a sign he was nuts. I just don't see how Dany being ruthless to her enemies means she was going crazy, but it's never even been a topic of discussion with Tywin.
You can argue Dany's increased ruthlessness and cruelty to those who oppose her means she wasn't going to be a good ruler, but I don't see any of her actions as evidence that she was going crazy prior to burning King's Landing down.
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On May 15 2019 23:34 Plansix wrote:
Negative posters will now be banned, including people being negative about the negativity. Only positive posting going forward.
PMA in GoT thread. Let’s go baby.
The Tyrion dothraki-language scene was okay, kinda funny-ish.. Poorly executed but I pretended that it was alright as is. I got poor flashbacks of when Jaime and Bronn were in Dorne and it was almost like a sitcom when they were in the room with the prince and Jaime’s daughter. Not “terrible” but not amazing GoT-levels like it used to be.
There, I did my best to not make my post completely about whining. PMA
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I honestly cant imagine what they are going to do in the last episide. There is still so much to do/wrap up.
Curious which questions/plot points are going to take priority and which are quietly forgotten!
With the end of the last episode it felt more like episode 4 out of a 10 epsiode season in terms of where the plot is and how the tone is
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