On May 15 2019 23:34 Plansix wrote: Negative posters will now be banned, including people being negative about the negativity. Only positive posting going forward.
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The Tyrion dothraki-language scene was okay, kinda funny-ish.. Poorly executed but I pretended that it was alright as is. I got poor flashbacks of when Jaime and Bronn were in Dorne and it was almost like a sitcom when they were in the room with the prince and Jaime’s daughter. Not “terrible” but not amazing GoT-levels like it used to be.
There, I did my best to not make my post completely about whining. PMA
Even if it does fall flat on occasion I like the levity too, actually grounds the show more for me. Actual people do tend to joke around even at the worst and most serious of times, I mean the term ‘gallows humour’ is so-named for a reason. I find it more unrealistic when people are perpetually po-faced because ‘realism’, except no people don’t actually behave like that.
Other positives, possibly more for the books (haha yeah they’re just around the corner) is that I like many of the arcs and actually the overall thematic stuff (thus far anyway, if the last episode doesn’t piss on it), even despite my issues overall with execution.
That obvious human frailties like a lust for power and pride can be more ultimately destructive than a purpose made bio-weapon, but also that even good intentions, or emotions seen as positive such as love can have terrible consequences too.
If we’re accepting that Jon ‘rejecting’ Dany was partly a trigger for her genocide, if not, while not destructive in a wider sense Jaime going back to Cersei is something of a micro level example of that.
I’m always loathe to read too much into these. It must be exceptionally boring to be interviewed about a show you can’t accidentally reveal too much about, if it were me I’d either be grumpy about having to do publicity but not say anything interesting, or maybe troll a bit.
Plus an actor may have an ego or an attachment to their character in a way that they’ll be a bit annoyed over their character’s fate even if it suits the actual property.
However on the other hand if an idiot like me knows, I imagine the actors blooming well know.
On May 16 2019 07:51 Wombat_NI wrote: I’m always loathe to read too much into these. It must be exceptionally boring to be interviewed about a show you can’t accidentally reveal too much about, if it were me I’d either be grumpy about having to do publicity but not say anything interesting, or maybe troll a bit.
Plus an actor may have an ego or an attachment to their character in a way that they’ll be a bit annoyed over their character’s fate even if it suits the actual property.
However on the other hand if an idiot like me knows, I imagine the actors blooming well know.
I've watched a lot of these interviews over the years and the only time I can remember it being like this is when Barristan was killed on the show and his actor was clearly very against that.
I remember a lot of the season 5 and post season-5 stuff especially because Jon Snow dying was like a double cliffhanger; the books ended there and I was excited to see how the show would move on from that.
For me season 5 had a few question marks (like the Barristan storyline, some of Arya's arc, Dorne) but man I wish so much they could just go back to 2015 and redo everything from there. Season 6 was pretty decent even, just what followed in the last 2 seasons is just so questionable
On May 15 2019 23:34 Plansix wrote: Negative posters will now be banned, including people being negative about the negativity. Only positive posting going forward.
PMA in GoT thread. Let’s go baby.
The Tyrion dothraki-language scene was okay, kinda funny-ish.. Poorly executed but I pretended that it was alright as is. I got poor flashbacks of when Jaime and Bronn were in Dorne and it was almost like a sitcom when they were in the room with the prince and Jaime’s daughter. Not “terrible” but not amazing GoT-levels like it used to be.
There, I did my best to not make my post completely about whining. PMA
Even if it does fall flat on occasion I like the levity too, actually grounds the show more for me. Actual people do tend to joke around even at the worst and most serious of times, I mean the term ‘gallows humour’ is so-named for a reason. I find it more unrealistic when people are perpetually po-faced because ‘realism’, except no people don’t actually behave like that.
Other positives, possibly more for the books (haha yeah they’re just around the corner) is that I like many of the arcs and actually the overall thematic stuff (thus far anyway, if the last episode doesn’t piss on it), even despite my issues overall with execution.
That obvious human frailties like a lust for power and pride can be more ultimately destructive than a purpose made bio-weapon, but also that even good intentions, or emotions seen as positive such as love can have terrible consequences too.
If we’re accepting that Jon ‘rejecting’ Dany was partly a trigger for her genocide, if not, while not destructive in a wider sense Jaime going back to Cersei is something of a micro level example of that.
Agreed. The Hound’s scenes were perfect examples of setting a light mood but also maintaining a grim environment:
“If you keep talking I’m gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in the room” “You gonna die for some chickens?” “One of us will”
My personal fav:
“We all bloody die except this one here” *points at Beric “There was a time I’d kill all seven of u butcher these three” “You’re getting old, Clegane” “He’s not” *hangs, loots while still alive “Have u got any food?”
On May 15 2019 23:34 Plansix wrote: Negative posters will now be banned, including people being negative about the negativity. Only positive posting going forward.
PMA in GoT thread. Let’s go baby.
The Tyrion dothraki-language scene was okay, kinda funny-ish.. Poorly executed but I pretended that it was alright as is. I got poor flashbacks of when Jaime and Bronn were in Dorne and it was almost like a sitcom when they were in the room with the prince and Jaime’s daughter. Not “terrible” but not amazing GoT-levels like it used to be.
There, I did my best to not make my post completely about whining. PMA
Even if it does fall flat on occasion I like the levity too, actually grounds the show more for me. Actual people do tend to joke around even at the worst and most serious of times, I mean the term ‘gallows humour’ is so-named for a reason. I find it more unrealistic when people are perpetually po-faced because ‘realism’, except no people don’t actually behave like that.
Other positives, possibly more for the books (haha yeah they’re just around the corner) is that I like many of the arcs and actually the overall thematic stuff (thus far anyway, if the last episode doesn’t piss on it), even despite my issues overall with execution.
That obvious human frailties like a lust for power and pride can be more ultimately destructive than a purpose made bio-weapon, but also that even good intentions, or emotions seen as positive such as love can have terrible consequences too.
If we’re accepting that Jon ‘rejecting’ Dany was partly a trigger for her genocide, if not, while not destructive in a wider sense Jaime going back to Cersei is something of a micro level example of that.
Agreed. The Hound’s scenes were perfect examples of setting a light mood but also maintaining a grim environment:
“If you keep talking I’m gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in the room” “You gonna die for some chickens?” “One of us will”
My personal fav:
“We all bloody die except this one here” *points at Beric “There was a time I’d kill all seven of u butcher these three” “You’re getting old, Clegane” “He’s not” *hangs, loots while still alive “Have u got any food?”
"what the fuck's a Lommy" is still, IMO, the best line in the entire series
On May 15 2019 23:34 Plansix wrote: Negative posters will now be banned, including people being negative about the negativity. Only positive posting going forward.
PMA in GoT thread. Let’s go baby.
The Tyrion dothraki-language scene was okay, kinda funny-ish.. Poorly executed but I pretended that it was alright as is. I got poor flashbacks of when Jaime and Bronn were in Dorne and it was almost like a sitcom when they were in the room with the prince and Jaime’s daughter. Not “terrible” but not amazing GoT-levels like it used to be.
There, I did my best to not make my post completely about whining. PMA
Even if it does fall flat on occasion I like the levity too, actually grounds the show more for me. Actual people do tend to joke around even at the worst and most serious of times, I mean the term ‘gallows humour’ is so-named for a reason. I find it more unrealistic when people are perpetually po-faced because ‘realism’, except no people don’t actually behave like that.
Other positives, possibly more for the books (haha yeah they’re just around the corner) is that I like many of the arcs and actually the overall thematic stuff (thus far anyway, if the last episode doesn’t piss on it), even despite my issues overall with execution.
That obvious human frailties like a lust for power and pride can be more ultimately destructive than a purpose made bio-weapon, but also that even good intentions, or emotions seen as positive such as love can have terrible consequences too.
If we’re accepting that Jon ‘rejecting’ Dany was partly a trigger for her genocide, if not, while not destructive in a wider sense Jaime going back to Cersei is something of a micro level example of that.
Agreed. The Hound’s scenes were perfect examples of setting a light mood but also maintaining a grim environment:
“If you keep talking I’m gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in the room” “You gonna die for some chickens?” “One of us will”
My personal fav:
“We all bloody die except this one here” *points at Beric “There was a time I’d kill all seven of u butcher these three” “You’re getting old, Clegane” “He’s not” *hangs, loots while still alive “Have u got any food?”
‘You don’t fight with honour.’ *Gestures* ‘He did.’
Amusing to me, peak Bronn, also made a point about pragmatism vs arbitrary codes of behaviour, and to a degree transcended the high-minded ideas of the nobility versus the actual world the people under them and who serve for them have to live in.
On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote: Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important scene That's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs.
D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit.
i thought he was going to kill her too, but ultimately there is no greater force than the madness of love. the show didn't show it at all, but if you think jamie spent X days thinking about what he was gonna do with cersei on the ride down there, it's not a stretch to think he was going to 'save' her (or die with her) rather than kill her and gtfo
actually i have a question, i'm rewatching the episode now: why did dany execute varis? all i got from it was 'tyrion told her he told him and 'varys betrayed you'' are we just all reading between the lines here? (like, tyrion really said "varyis is plotting against you")
On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote: Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important scene That's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs.
D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit.
i thought he was going to kill her too, but ultimately there is no greater force than the madness of love. the show didn't show it at all, but if you think jamie spent X days thinking about what he was gonna do with cersei on the ride down there, it's not a stretch to think he was going to 'save' her (or die with her) rather than kill her and gtfo
actually i have a question, i'm rewatching the episode now: why did dany execute varis? all i got from it was 'tyrion told her he told him and 'varys betrayed you'' are we just all reading between the lines here? (like, tyrion really said "varyis is plotting against you")
Tyrion did tell Dany Varys was plotting against her. I think that was after Varys had his chat with Jon, so Jon could confrim Tyrion's words.
We can also guess Varys was trying to poison Dany with the help of one of his little birds. Impossible to tell if Dany knew about that when she decided to execute him.
On May 16 2019 00:26 Cricketer12 wrote: Anyone who says they liked Jaime this episode fucking watch this clip and then tell me how it's justifiable for him to so casually say "i never cared for them, innocent or otherwise" The single most important scene That's not a nothing scene, that's the single most important scene for Jaime's character and allows him to start his path of redemption. This series is not about giving into hate, it's about peace and forgiveness. GRRM was a fucking hippie and this series is his best chance at telling us about his ideals and beliefs.
D&D literally fucked an 8 season arc all in the course of a single episode. Fucking literal bullshit.
i thought he was going to kill her too, but ultimately there is no greater force than the madness of love. the show didn't show it at all, but if you think jamie spent X days thinking about what he was gonna do with cersei on the ride down there, it's not a stretch to think he was going to 'save' her (or die with her) rather than kill her and gtfo
actually i have a question, i'm rewatching the episode now: why did dany execute varis? all i got from it was 'tyrion told her he told him and 'varys betrayed you'' are we just all reading between the lines here? (like, tyrion really said "varyis is plotting against you")
Because Tyrion told her. Maybe there was more proof then Tyrions word but they never showed up, they simply couldn't find the screen time because Arya had to run through a burning city for 15 minutes.
lol tru just rewatched the episode goes to shit 60 seconds after the bell rings when the bell rings, dany starts staring over at the keep towards cersei, and cersei is staring back, it's all tense then dany rises the dragon and flies directly at the keep for 30 seconds then suddenly with ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER the next cut is the dragon killing citizens it's really like someone decided to change it there, like someone suggested earlier, wtf (of course this can't be true)
after that, i skipped clegan fight (bit brutal for a rewatch), skipped arya running for 15 mins, skipped euron portalling directly to jamie (I MEAN WHAT???? this is 100% unforgivable , i mean ONE HUNDRED PERCENT UNFORGIVABLE), and stopped it right at the end where gandolf's horse turns up just because i can't believe my eyes what i'm seeing at that point (for the second time)
lol
so they talk about dany and greyworms motivations in the SFX documentary at around 13 mins link + Show Spoiler +
they say 'dany finally won her war, but it wasnt enough. she was all alone, and she wanted more.' 'the way we described him (greyworm) in the screenplay is that he's become , almost, an angel of death'
On May 16 2019 07:51 Wombat_NI wrote: I’m always loathe to read too much into these. It must be exceptionally boring to be interviewed about a show you can’t accidentally reveal too much about, if it were me I’d either be grumpy about having to do publicity but not say anything interesting, or maybe troll a bit.
Plus an actor may have an ego or an attachment to their character in a way that they’ll be a bit annoyed over their character’s fate even if it suits the actual property.
However on the other hand if an idiot like me knows, I imagine the actors blooming well know.
I've watched a lot of these interviews over the years and the only time I can remember it being like this is when Barristan was killed on the show and his actor was clearly very against that.
I remember a lot of the season 5 and post season-5 stuff especially because Jon Snow dying was like a double cliffhanger; the books ended there and I was excited to see how the show would move on from that.
For me season 5 had a few question marks (like the Barristan storyline, some of Arya's arc, Dorne) but man I wish so much they could just go back to 2015 and redo everything from there. Season 6 was pretty decent even, just what followed in the last 2 seasons is just so questionable
One day after GRRM has finished all the books and HBO no longer has licencing rights to the show, maybe someone else redoes the series from Season 1, calls it Song of Ice and Fire this time and sticks closer to books this time (one can hope)
I don't know, *to me* it looks exactly like an example of "complaining for the sake of complaining"..
Sure, it's a lucky coincidence that she finds a horse there, but - it does not affect the story or the plot in any way (it's not like Arya would die there if there was no horse.. she would still escape by foot) - it provides a very nice last scene, with here riding away in the city burning - it does not seem so unlikely that in the chaos of the attack a horse got loose and managed to escape the fire (some people probably are still alive just like Arya)
You might say that you don't like the scene visually, but there's nothing more to it... I don't see how it warrants this reaction "and stopped it right at the end where gandolf's horse turns up just because i can't believe my eyes what i'm seeing at that point"
I've noticed a white horse toy with a kid that eventually got burned with her mother when Arya was trying to save em. And yet it makes zero sense to me what is the idea behind that scene.
It cannot be Gandalf's horse in the end, but it could be the one from Golden Company head officer or something. But then again, what difference does it make and what was the reasoning behind such scene?
EPT
(one can hope)
