EPTThere were a few moments I really liked. But I'll mostly agree the writing was contrived and lazy, and in particular Daenerys losing her shit like that was pretty silly.
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There were a few moments I really liked. But I'll mostly agree the writing was contrived and lazy, and in particular Daenerys losing her shit like that was pretty silly. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:16 Harris1st wrote: In other news, there is a petition going to remake season 8 xD www.change.org 400k right now this is as dumb as the show...who the hell expects the actors to reshoot everything after all their "good byes" on the set. It finished filming ages ago, the actors have moved on. What a bad troll of a poll, if u signed it seriously you're delusional. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:23 Shock710 wrote: this is as dumb as the show...who the hell expects the actors to reshoot everything after all their "good byes" on the set. It finished filming ages ago, the actors have moved on. What a bad troll of a poll, if u signed it seriously you're delusional. Wow, you actually think the poll is serious? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:16 Hyperbola wrote: 1. What part of Rhaegar's """""""proposal"""""""" to Lyanna had him getting on one knee and asking her for marriage? As I recall he just threw her the winter rose crown and then kidnapped her (which is actually a wildling custom but I guess he had to improvise). If Rhaegar did things legitimately like say, having the High Septon anull his existing marriage and then demanding the Warden of the North for her as his bride then the rebellion would not have happened. This is how it's done in Westeros. Not getting on one knee and telling a girl to become your lady. That's straight out of real life. Just like that starbucks cup someone left on the table. 2. Did you miss the point? The never have I ever drinking game (which is also taken from real life) is meant to be a guessing game. Brienne should, by all accounts, be a virgin if she's an unmarried noblewoman. Her not being one is the exception. Tyrion's "guess" would be like saying "you, Brienne, are from Tarth". No shit. Brienne shouldn't be upset by that and leave because of it. It should be obvious. 3. You do realize that the Baratheon brothers aren't the only Baratheons? Family trees go back all the way to the beggining of time. Even if all the B-Brothers died, eventually you go far back enough to find a MALE relative that takes the throne. This is how it's legally done in Westeros. This is why John supposedly has a claim to the throne even though it doesn't appear to be an issue for any other kingdom besides the crownlands. Even Olenna Tyrell should not have been the reigning ruler of Highgarden when her direct family died. It would, again, go to a MALE distant relative. 4. See above. Family lines go way back. Even if there is no "Baratheon" left, there will be a male relative or a son of a male relative back somewhere in the mix. Who cares *how* they propose? There's no real lore either way. And I was contesting your claim that there are *only* arranged marriages, which is demonstrably wrong. Asking after embarrassing facts even though everybody knows them is a totally normal thing to do in drinking games too... Gendry as the only surviving male son of Robert Baratheon would still have the best claim as long as someone in power could legitimize his birth (surprise, kings/queens can do that). Same for Jon. Both definitely ahead of whatever second cousin triple removed someone can come up with. You do realize that a large inspiration for the War of the 5 Kings were the Wars of the Roses, which was exactly about this. A bunch of cousins all claiming they are the rightful heir? Also, houses do just go "extinct". You know that right? And that's essentially what happened to the Baratheons. Just as to the Mormonts and the Karstarks (and the Tyrrells, and if Tyrion dies, the Lannisters). Anybody with even a halfway near claim to the title of heir is dead. Except Gendry, who actually has a pretty strong claim. Pretty much the same for Jon. The people around him wanted him as King of the North, because they simply recognized him as the only surviving son of Ned Stark (turns out they were completely wrong, but still, at the time that was the thought). Maybe Arnolf Karstark could have made a claim to the title, but hey, he got killed in the Battle of the Bastards, and was on the wrong side of that anyway. TLDR: there is plenty wrong with the show, but you are really picking at the most inconsequential nits you can find, when there are huge inconsistencies in the main storyline. | ||
KwarK
United States43989 Posts
Also Varys: And that’s why I support Aegon Targaryen for king. He seems to be a good and reasonable person. Also I bet none of his heirs will have any issues. Given the existence of this hereditary disease I think it’s important that no other bloodline rule. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:43 Sent. wrote: "Aegon" Targeryen has the advantage of not having two Targaryen parents. An advantage that is half the advantage of some random man on the street. If Varys believes all Targaryens have a good chance of being mad and that you can’t know in advance and that the curse is in their bloodline and can’t be fixed then it’s not rational that his solution to this problem is to put a different Targaryen on the throne. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:35 KwarK wrote: Varys: Targaryens, even ones you’ve known for years to be good and reasonable people, sometimes go mad and kill everyone and I’m worried that Dany will do that so she can’t be queen. Also Varys: And that’s why I support Aegon Targaryen for king. He seems to be a good and reasonable person. Also I bet none of his heirs will have any issues. Given the existence of this hereditary disease I think it’s important that no other bloodline rule. Also, didn't Varys also support Dany's brother at some point? I don't remember too well this part of the intrigue | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:35 KwarK wrote: Varys: Targaryens, even ones you’ve known for years to be good and reasonable people, sometimes go mad and kill everyone and I’m worried that Dany will do that so she can’t be queen. Also Varys: And that’s why I support Aegon Targaryen for king. He seems to be a good and reasonable person. Also I bet none of his heirs will have any issues. Given the existence of this hereditary disease I think it’s important that no other bloodline rule. To be fair Jon feels more Stark than Targaryen (probably the fact that he isn't a product of direct incest) which probably helps a bit. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:23 Shock710 wrote: this is as dumb as the show...who the hell expects the actors to reshoot everything after all their "good byes" on the set. It finished filming ages ago, the actors have moved on. What a bad troll of a poll, if u signed it seriously you're delusional. I would sign it because it would mean more GoT. Unfortunately it would be largely the same plot (perhaps with more dialogue) so the shock factor is gone but more GoT is still good. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:33 Acrofales wrote: Who cares *how* they propose? There's no real lore either way. And I was contesting your claim that there are *only* arranged marriages, which is demonstrably wrong. Asking after embarrassing facts even though everybody knows them is a totally normal thing to do in drinking games too... Gendry as the only surviving male son of Robert Baratheon would still have the best claim as long as someone in power could legitimize his birth (surprise, kings/queens can do that). Same for Jon. Both definitely ahead of whatever second cousin triple removed someone can come up with. You do realize that a large inspiration for the War of the 5 Kings were the Wars of the Roses, which was exactly about this. A bunch of cousins all claiming they are the rightful heir? Also, houses do just go "extinct". You know that right? And that's essentially what happened to the Baratheons. Just as to the Mormonts and the Karstarks (and the Tyrrells, and if Tyrion dies, the Lannisters). Anybody with even a halfway near claim to the title of heir is dead. Except Gendry, who actually has a pretty strong claim. Pretty much the same for Jon. The people around him wanted him as King of the North, because they simply recognized him as the only surviving son of Ned Stark (turns out they were completely wrong, but still, at the time that was the thought). Maybe Arnolf Karstark could have made a claim to the title, but hey, he got killed in the Battle of the Bastards, and was on the wrong side of that anyway. TLDR: there is plenty wrong with the show, but you are really picking at the most inconsequential nits you can find, when there are huge inconsistencies in the main storyline. You seem confused. My point on proposals was that they are not a thing. Period. It was in relation to Gendry getting on one knee like he forgot he was in a TV show. Proposals do not exist in Westeros. If you want to marry a girl, you ask their father for their hand in marriage. This is how it works. You apparently did not understand what I said at all. The original point was: in Westeros you do not get on one knee like in real life and ask for a girl to marry you. Gendry doing this makes absolute zero sense. It's not nitpicky at all. It would be similar to Samwell Tarly whipping out a computer and doing a google search on "dragonglass" or something. My point on inheritance was that you will ALWAYS find an heir somewhere on the family chain. It makes no sense for Cersei to be queen, for Jon to be Warden/King of the North, and for Olenna to have High Garden and for Ellaria to have Sunspear. I don't know what you're trying to argue here, the fact that inheritance is screwed up in the show is evident. I also didn't say that Gendry becoming legitimized didn't give him a claim to Storm's End. I said that some other Baratheon or distant Baratheon relative should be holding Storm's End right now. Someone should have taken over. Actually Dany isn't a Queen yet, she doesn't hold the Iron Throne. Her legitimizing Gendry can't be recognized until she does. And ironically enough, If Gendry did get legitimized by Dany then he actually also has a claim to the Iron Throne - probably even a better one than her. He is Robert's son after all. These are not minor nitpicks. These are huge problems in a show that's about Feudalism. As you said, the entire story is about inheritance. This should be a major plot point except for that it's completely disregarded for everything except for Jon being Rhaegar's son. Somehow, nobody cares at all about anything but that. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 16 2019 23:48 Sbrubbles wrote: Also, didn't Varys also support Dany's brother at some point? I don't remember too well this part of the intrigue He roughly supported him. Not to be too down, but it's best not to dwell on Varys too much because of changes the show made (perhaps rightly even, it would have been difficult to pull off in the show). In the book he's backing someone that he may know to not really be a Targ which solves all of these plot threads more cleanly. He can back his horse but believe in Targ madness. He can want the best ruler, but not settle for rulers that are likely to be good like Tommen + Margery. Viserys in that case was likely a setup to pave the way for his chosen ruler. The bigger, and still open mystery, imo is why would Illyrio give the dragon eggs to Dany. Even unhatched the eggs are beyond priceless. She was never supposed to do anything except help Viserys gain an army, so why such the lavish gift. My point on proposals was that they are not a thing. Period. It was in relation to Gendry getting on one knee like he forgot he was in a TV show. Proposals do not exist in Westeros. If you want to marry a girl, you ask their father for their hand in marriage. This is how it works. You apparently did not understand what I said at all. The original point was: in Westeros you do not get on one knee like in real life and ask for a girl to marry you. Gendry doing this makes absolute zero sense. It's not nitpicky at all. It would be similar to Samwell Tarly whipping out a computer and doing a google search on "dragonglass" or something. Honestly I think the show has made minor mistakes like this more than once. I was re-watching an episode last night where the characters said "palsy" in relation to a implied mental disease which is the sort of thing that doesn't really fit well in the environment [edit] I did look it up, I guess palsy as a term has been around a lot longer than modern diagnosis so there's that[/edit]. + Show Spoiler + But even so.... it's pretty believable that Gendry would know enough to go to Arya directly for marriage rather than 'her father' (Jon? in this case). If he wants to formally marry her he'd have to get permission from Jon, which he'd 100% get, but he's smart enough to know to ask Arya first because she'd stick a knife in his eye if he didn't. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
It is a bit odd considering he would probably have babies with Dany that would have the same issues again, if that's Varys' true concern. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
Really the only explanation I can have as to why it’s just chilling there while a city is being blown up is that Bran is warging it over there? Which is Ok tbh, if it turns out to be something else my brain will officially melt. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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United States7542 Posts
On May 17 2019 00:51 fishjie wrote: since the books will never be completed, i think its interesting to discuss what was varys actual game plan? is he secretly a targaryen supporter? and was there anything more to littlefinger than him just wanting to get as much power as possible and bang sansa because she looks like cat who friendzoned him so many years ago? I think most likely he knows Griff isn't a true Targ, but can use the Targ lineage to gain a lot of support quickly (as we see in the books thus far). What exactly he hopes griff will do as ruler seeing as he's just one man and his children could be monsters... I don't know. But I do sincerely believe he wants Griff to rule and wants a just ruler, but there is also probably at least some self motivation for power. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2049 Posts
On May 17 2019 00:51 fishjie wrote: since the books will never be completed, i think its interesting to discuss what was varys actual game plan? is he secretly a targaryen supporter? and was there anything more to littlefinger than him just wanting to get as much power as possible and bang sansa because she looks like cat who friendzoned him so many years ago? I haven't read the books far enough to really have an well constructed opinion myself, but the Alt Shift X channel on youtube has an interesting and detailed theory on Varys: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On May 17 2019 00:54 karazax wrote: I'll be shocked if there is any additional reasons given on why the horse was there. In the context of the other problems the show has though, it's really far down my list. If they wanted Bran to warg the horse, the best bet is they would make this blatantly obvious as it was happening. I don't understand the horse thing? Like the Dothraki were all over the city so there were horses everywhere, | ||
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FreakyDroid
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