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On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones
I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread...
Like...
There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining.
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Unfortunately all theories and all "what are they hinting at, what are they trying to say with x, what are they trying to achieve here" can be thrown away since we now know they operate at the "it didnt feel right" level.
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There was the theory of LF but the writers sort of forgot about him.
There was Naharis still back at that Slaver's Bay(?) but the writers sort of forgot about him.
There was Benjen and he couldve came south of the Wall but the writers sort of forgot about him.
Is Dorne just completely doing their own thing now or did the writers forgot about them, as well?
Any other theories/things I missed out that we can discuss about?
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On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining.
Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already?
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On May 15 2019 18:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 17:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
I almost forgot about the worst scene of the episode, that was so fucking terrible that it immediately slipped my mind after all that epicness. Who thought giving Tyrion those fake Dothraki lines would be comedy gold? How did we end up at this point? How was there not one person on the show that was able to talk them out of doing that? Peter Dinklage was probably so thrilled about that scene... It was quite funny. Not rolling over the floor funny but it made me smile. Guys, like, I went through the thread, and the only thing you do is shit on the show and complain that it was better before. Yup, the quality is not on par with when they had the greatest fantasy writer of today source material to work with. We have known that for years and seriously, that's not so surprising. But at one point all this whining and complaining and criticizing about everyfuckingthing is just obnoxious. If you think it's all crap, watch something else. I come here to talk about a show I like and it's 99,9% of toxic negativity because saying that eeeeeeverything sucks makes you cool apparently.
But negativity is fun and what if it just does suck?
Hell I was in work yesterday and 55 year old female coworker asked me about if I watched GoT and what I thought, I winced a bit and then so did she and we both started ranting about mostly the same things. Silver lining turns out she’s a big fantasy and sci-fi nerf so I have potential for some non soul-destroying work conversations in future, but I mean I doubt someone of that age profile who isn’t on social media is being caught up in it being trendy to hate on GoT
I don’t want to watch something else, despite being really good value I’m cancelling Netflix because I’ve watched most shows I’m interested in, I got our equivalent of a HBO pass solely to watch GoT as it’s one of my favourite shows, I want it to be bloody good, or at least decent.
I took a break and watched 4 and 5 consecutively, my preferred way but I’ve been going weekly thus far to avoid spoilers.
I did actually like a lot of 4 and elements of 5 after 3 had really really annoyed me, as I was watching I was thinking, while not peak Thrones it was shaping up pretty decently. Then Dany starts massacring civilians for, some reason and what?
Not a great property to be a fan of right now. GRRM is taking forever to get the books out, and the show isn’t going out with a bang exactly, for some reason. With expanded universe stuff coming out or in the pipeline.
When it was announced how many episodes were left I was highly skeptical at the time that they could untie the knots in a satisfactory way with that much time left to work with, but hoped they’d pull a rabbit out of the hat. I don’t think they have, and I don’t think they can possibly salvage it in the last remaining episode.
Outside of 3 which was just too stupid for me to accept, most of the beats hit don’t feel wrong or bad, they feel like listening to a good record on a vinyl player that keeps sticking. You know the record would potentially be good, but you can’t ignore your listening experience at the time sucking.
And so much of these issues are almost solely down to a lack of episodes and time, and that is pulling the life out of everything. Whoever is to blame, it needed more episodes and it hasn’t got them, generally the opposite of most shows I watch where it feels they’ve gone on a bit too long.
Dany going Mad Queen with actual setup time would be sweet. Simultaneously it makes the destruction porn way more impactful because you’re not watching it with that dissonance as to why the fuck Dany is going this far based on that.
Varys/Tyrion stuff, which I kinda liked anyway still is rushed. If you had more Dany doing questionable stuff that makes her descent into crazy feel organic, you also have a more natural curve for Varys to do what he did. As it was laid out, one of Westeros’ great schemers who always had his own arse covered sprung into treason openly and forgot how to scheme or cover his own arse. Shades of Littlefinger
Everything would work better with just a bit more time and development. Instead of screen time going from Varys seemingly going from sounding out Tyrion, to directly to Jon, to trying to poison Dany, if you spread it out, add a few more dialogue scenes it would be just outright way better.
The stuff that did work for me the previous seasons did most of the heavy lifting so they didn’t need a bunch of extra scenes to feel organic and decent. Jaime/Brienne (prior to him leaving) were good character moments, although I could take or leave them actually getting together, because they’d spent plenty of time developing before.
Arya and the Hound’s farewell, short and simple, also IMO pretty good. The Hound knows vengeance is ultimately a futile way to live your life but he can’t escape it, but maybe Arya can. Arya reverts to being the conflicted Arya of previous seasons rather than cold badass ninja assassin Arya thought it was fine.
Jorah dying as he did (despite ridiculous teleporting), even small moments like Jon and Tormund’s farewell, all stuff I thought was decent and earned, or Tyrion and Varys’ last conversation, etc.
Almost everything I have liked is built off characters who’ve had seasons of interactions already, most of the stuff that’s either new in the last 2 seasons has all felt super rushed and hasn’t had time to breathe at all. Dany and Jon getting together and squabbling for example.
It exists in the Prometheus zone for me, more frustrating because there’s lots I like, and the technically hard stuff like visuals are great, but there’s so much simple stuff done badly that it’s maddening. Squandered potential is much more frustrating to behold than something that’s outright bad.
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On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already?
A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well.
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738
Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all.
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On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already?
I’m struggling, outside of book-only stuff.
Night King/3ED stuff I guess but even then? I’m still pissy that went down as it did, I hope GRRM will do more with that.
We know the WWs are some kind of bio-weapon created by the Children of the Forest, but the NK has some autonomy and personality to him, but we don’t really know why that is the case or what his deal is.
Why is he so concerned with killing Bran to ‘wipe out human history’, but seemingly not with wiping out other humans? Be that King’s Lansing, but also further afield.
I don’t really know any of these things as they haven’t been conclusively answered even with the end of that arc, so I suppose they’re grounds for some speculation.
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On May 15 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already? A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all.
It’s way way too clever to be legit, at least within the confines of the show.
I liked theories when they were dealing with what could/will happen, or regarding things like prophecies and what form they’ll be fulfilled.
This just feels like filling in holes and things that seem inconsistent, with the crutch of having an omniscient manipulator orchestrating everything (partly why I generally dislike such characters in fiction)
And some of this seems unnecessarily complicated. Just warg into Drogon and burn Kings Landing instead of Dany doing it. Same end result, doesn’t have her flipping on a dime into genocide, and it’s not something she can deny responsibility for, the Mother of Dragons can’t control her dragons? So Jon and Tyrion et al will still turn on her anyway. As the theory says Bran/3ED’s powers and what he is aren’t really understood by the characters either, Dany likely couldn’t join the dots to even accuse him of doing it, and Jon et al still think he’s Bran so they’re not going to believe him capable of such monstrous actions.
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On May 15 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already? A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all.
Wow, that theory is actually read-worthy.
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I'd watch an anime reboot of ASOIAF after GRRM finishes the books
It could be like Fullmetal Alchemist (though I've never actually seen/read it)
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On May 15 2019 19:51 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already? A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all. Wow, that theory is actually read-worthy.
Its an interesting take that fills in many gaps like Wombat says. But its too fantastical to be true imo, perhaps even too fantastical for the books as well.
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On May 15 2019 19:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
There was the theory of LF but the writers sort of forgot about him.
There was Naharis still back at that Slaver's Bay(?) but the writers sort of forgot about him.
There was Benjen and he couldve came south of the Wall but the writers sort of forgot about him.
Is Dorne just completely doing their own thing now or did the writers forgot about them, as well?
Any other theories/things I missed out that we can discuss about?
Ser Barristan Selmy
Edmur Tully
Stannis Baratheon
Blackfish
Quaithe (Essos magician) that has never been explained
Kinvara (the other red high priest in Essos)
The whole bunch of prophecies that never came true and looks inconsistent in a show (with small exceptions)
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On May 15 2019 21:29 FreakyDroid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 19:51 Emnjay808 wrote:On May 15 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already? A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all. Wow, that theory is actually read-worthy. Its an interesting take that fills in many gaps like Wombat says. But its too fantastical to be true imo, perhaps even too fantastical for the books as well.
I truly believe that most people would have not have any problems with the story as it is, if only the way it was presented was inline with the show until now. Instead of plot armor for the characters they wanted to survive they could have put some effort to make it look more realistic, like lets say they fight in a narrow passage and the undeads cannot overwhelm them, instead of arya magically appearing behind the NK, it could have been a team effort, they fight a losing battle with the WWs and she manages to sneak through them, instead of the balistas being OP in episode 4 and useless in episode 5, they could have make both dragons attacking in episode 5, one dies, the other finish the job, dany finally breaks seeing her child dying in agony, she goes crazy, bingo, its simple, its believable, it works. Not saying it has to be my scenario, I am just giving an example how it could have been all right without the need of more complex story or harder to film it. IDK why they fucked it up on such a basic level
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On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones
There are legitimate complaints, and I have plenty of it since season 1. Hell to start with the Dothraki were a camp as fuck clusterfuck of shitty clichés and that’s actually just as bad in the books. But ok, you don’t need to like everything to like a show.
What bothers me is that since a few years it looks like people here watch the show to complain. Every joke is cringy, every idea is shit, every scene is bs, every character is botched and ruined and so on.
If you spend three years watching a show that is utterly terrible, maybe stop watching it, and stop ruining the thread for people who either have interest in it, either would like to talk about it without the thread being a competition of who is the bestest at criticizing everything like a blasé teenager.
It’s just annoying. And if the people who made this show are idiots, again, don’t watch it. I think personally that LotR was a fucking horrible movie with zero redeeming qualities and that Peter Jackson butchered Tolkien, well, I stopped watching half way through the RotK and don’t spend my days on threads about the movies saying how awful everything in them is.
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On May 15 2019 22:05 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 21:29 FreakyDroid wrote:On May 15 2019 19:51 Emnjay808 wrote:On May 15 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 19:17 Longshank wrote:On May 15 2019 18:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones I get it but it is a little overwhelming in this thread... Like... There should be a place where fans can discuss theories etc. and not get drowned out by 1200 posts per episode of complaining. Discussing theories was fun when the story was coherent and made sense. It's been done a lot in this thread. However the appetite for doing so dwindles as the show shoves six years of progress and story telling to the side in favour of 'cool shots'. Which theory is still left to discuss that hasn't been shat on already? A guy posted earlier about a theory that the 3ER deliberately engineered Dany's mental breakdown which actually works quote well. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27354738Like I said, I get the complaints, the quality has taken a nosedive, but its a little excessive is all. Wow, that theory is actually read-worthy. Its an interesting take that fills in many gaps like Wombat says. But its too fantastical to be true imo, perhaps even too fantastical for the books as well. I truly believe that most people would have not have any problems with the story as it is, if only the way it was presented was inline with the show until now. Instead of plot armor for the characters they wanted to survive they could have put some effort to make it look more realistic, like lets say they fight in a narrow passage and the undeads cannot overwhelm them, instead of arya magically appearing behind the NK, it could have been a team effort, they fight a losing battle with the WWs and she manages to sneak through them, instead of the balistas being OP in episode 4 and useless in episode 5, they could have make both dragons attacking in episode 5, one dies, the other finish the job, dany finally breaks seeing her child dying in agony, she goes crazy, bingo, its simple, its believable, it works. Not saying it has to be my scenario, I am just giving an example how it could have been all right without the need of more complex story or harder to film it. IDK why they fucked it up on such a basic level
Yes basically to all of that, or at least stuff in that vein. Smart people doing stupid things and rank inconsistency you can still have all the spectacle but without all the jarring stuff that ruins the spectacle
Like just simple shit. Have Dany come from super high
altitude vertically down on the ballistas, have it be a plan. Have her do it when the sun is at its peak, have her talk to advisors about wtf do we do against these weapons?
Instead we get Dany charging weapons that were able to easily fend off two dragons and start wrecking a fleet, at the same angle as before, on one dragon with no other targets about and she wipes out absolutely all of them?
We have a flaming trench that they don’t light in advance and have to scramble Melisandre to do in the middle of a fight that’s going terribly, why not have them set it as the first line of defence, have the catapults pounding the horde from a good bit behind it and then have the NK do his command and the zombies do their filling in the trench with bodies move?
Then the catapults are exposed and the Dothraki are scrambled to cover this new eventuality, so they do their desperation charge.
For the NK’s demise have there be some Bran/NK interaction of some kind, have additional characters there trying to desperation kill him and fail, get rid of Beric and Melisandre here rather than in the way they do and have Arya sneaking around cut with this going on.
I feel this way you add tension that the NK has got this shit under control, Arya can still deliver the kill but not seemingly from nowhere while teleporting. Have the NK about to kill Jon who desperation charges him or something, which would also make Arya’s screaming way less cheesy to boot.
I don’t think these ideas are great by any means, I was limiting myself to actually largely just re-ordering existing scenes.
I think it attests to how wonky episode 3 is from a believability perspective and how badly they did it that you can just re-order some elements and it makes far more sense.
Just by swapping the trench being lit and the Dothraki charge around it goes from a plan that makes zero sense, to plan B having to be executed after the wight’s aversion to fire being something they could work around.
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On May 15 2019 22:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones There are legitimate complaints, and I have plenty of it since season 1. Hell to start with the Dothraki were a camp as fuck clusterfuck of shitty clichés and that’s actually just as bad in the books. But ok, you don’t need to like everything to like a show. What bothers me is that since a few years it looks like people here watch the show to complain. Every joke is cringy, every idea is shit, every scene is bs, every character is botched and ruined and so on. If you spend three years watching a show that is utterly terrible, maybe stop watching it, and stop ruining the thread for people who either have interest in it, either would like to talk about it without the thread being a competition of who is the bestest at criticizing everything like a blasé teenager. It’s just annoying. And if the people who made this show are idiots, again, don’t watch it. I think personally that LotR was a fucking horrible movie with zero redeeming qualities and that Peter Jackson butchered Tolkien, well, I stopped watching half way through the RotK and don’t spend my days on threads about the movies saying how awful everything in them is. /rant
I’d concede that people are too negative about some stuff for sure. Dialogue that is maybe not as good as the best stuff from earlier in the show, but perfectly serviceable is now ‘terrible’, every joke that’s actually largely fine the same etc.
Yes in that sense I think there’s a combo of too much negativity and it’s just out of whack for sure.
The episodes are just out though and it hasn’t finished, plenty of us have invested a lot into it and we’re more venting in frustration. As per your example that’s generally my approach to things, I suppose what I’d see as more analogous is really enjoying Fellowship and Towers but Return being absolutely terrible for some reason, rather than outright disliking Jackson’s trilogy from early doors.
Likewise with Brood War elitists, I was absolutely fine with people having issues with SC2 when it launched in comparison to BW, or advocating for changes or whatever. It’s a sequel to something you love that doesn’t quite meet your expectations. No issues with that at all, but when people are venting along the same lines 9 years later rather than just playing BW or Remastered it does irk me.
Frankly I think internet culture seems to shift people in some weird hive mind sense to really extreme positions, or at lest what I encounter anyway.
Hence the Last Jedi is the worst film ever made and ruined Star Wars with SJW politics or something, I make a point to watch things totally blind when I can and, while flawed I quite enjoyed it in my cinema watch. Then subsequently when I seek out other opinions they seem really, really OTT
With Thrones and specifically this season I’ve had a lot of issues as I’m actually watching for the first time, which largely has never really been the case for me up to now. Outside of bits and pieces I’ve not really had the ‘come on, really?’ reaction to developments that I’ve had time and time again this season.
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On May 15 2019 22:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2019 18:32 solidbebe wrote:
Legitimate complaints are toxic negativity, right. Would you expect something else when 2 idiots run the best fantasy television show we've ever had into the ground?
If you want to read mostly positive things go hang out at r/gameofthrones There are legitimate complaints, and I have plenty of it since season 1. Hell to start with the Dothraki were a camp as fuck clusterfuck of shitty clichés and that’s actually just as bad in the books. But ok, you don’t need to like everything to like a show. What bothers me is that since a few years it looks like people here watch the show to complain. Every joke is cringy, every idea is shit, every scene is bs, every character is botched and ruined and so on. If you spend three years watching a show that is utterly terrible, maybe stop watching it, and stop ruining the thread for people who either have interest in it, either would like to talk about it without the thread being a competition of who is the bestest at criticizing everything like a blasé teenager. It’s just annoying. And if the people who made this show are idiots, again, don’t watch it. I think personally that LotR was a fucking horrible movie with zero redeeming qualities and that Peter Jackson butchered Tolkien, well, I stopped watching half way through the RotK and don’t spend my days on threads about the movies saying how awful everything in them is. /rant
If 80% of people are complaining and 20% want to talk about theories, maybe it's the people who want to talk theories who should get out of the thread? Like I said, there are plenty of other places to go if you want to talk with people who aren't complaining about the show (r/gameofthrones). Meanwhile the rest of us will be here lamenting the downfall of a show that we too are very invested in.
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I'm also getting a little tired of the general internet anti-GoT bandwaggoning.
Having run out of books to work with, and seeing Martin still can't tie stuff together, the show writers have decided to simplify and focus the story. Less realistic, more dramatic.
This means not everything is spelled out, that you have to put up with narrative coincidences and conveniences, and that parts of the story move faster. But it's meant tighter, more exciting episodes, that feel like they are heading to a satisfying end. They've also managed some excellent dialogue, even without Martin. I've loved it, and think they're handling things well.
Is it perfect? No, but it's still fantastic TV.
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So its not ok to bitch about the show but its ok to bitch about other people that bitch about the show. You cant choose what other people write in their posts, but you can choose which posts to read and which to reply to. EZ
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To be fair there would probably be more discussion of theories if people had any belief that they could possibly be true. At this point I think most of the viewers are hard pressed to believe anything but the straightest path to the ending.
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Though speaking of theories/prophecies. I watched the episode with Cersei remembering her encounter with Maggy the Frog. Turns out in the show they omit the volanquar part of the prophecy (or any details about Cersei's death) so the show does fulfill that prophecy faithfully.
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