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On August 28 2017 14:15 palexhur wrote:
The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons, not even the CGI saved it this time, LF death was so predictable when he was talking to Sansa before that, the meeting in the Dragons Pit was just stupid, Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins, Tyrion and Cersei was a big wtf!!!!, two things that I liked: Bron as always, and the tension about Jamie being murdered by the Mountain.
Go home palexhur, you're drunk!
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On August 28 2017 14:25 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2017 14:15 palexhur wrote:
The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons, not even the CGI saved it this time, LF death was so predictable when he was talking to Sansa before that, the meeting in the Dragons Pit was just stupid, Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins, Tyrion and Cersei was a big wtf!!!!, two things that I liked: Bron as always, and the tension about Jamie being murdered by the Mountain. Go home palexhur, you're drunk!
mmm nice comment, so insightful 
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Most people here just want to watch main characters die for some sort of "GoT-like" big twist: I'm happy they didn't kill major characters just to have a big "ooohh moment" (like it could have been for Jamie, or Tyrion).
Really really cool episode - overall I'm very satisfied with this season!
Main pros:
- Starks in Winterfell, I enjoyed the whole arc
- army of the dead coming through the wall (I'm sure you'll have a few pages of discussion about what would they have done w/o the dragon, or something similar, enjoy it  )
- reveal of the zombie to Cersei
- Jamie leaving Cersei! that was quite a big moment - starting from the tension with the Mountain, especially if you think he knows he's the father
- a lot of other things, I will re watch it very soon 
Maybe they could have been quicker with the first part of the episode, with the discussion among the three parties, but I felt it was nicely paced anyway. Only point I didn't like too much was how Heuron (I'm sure I'm mispelling ) left the meeting: it was a bit forced to see him talk that way about / to Cersei without consequences, and it felt too clear that there was something hidden about it.
A bit sad we'll have to wait an other year!
But overall very strong season, I can't say there was an episode that I didn't enjoy very much!
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On August 28 2017 14:45 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2017 14:25 thePunGun wrote:On August 28 2017 14:15 palexhur wrote:
The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons, not even the CGI saved it this time, LF death was so predictable when he was talking to Sansa before that, the meeting in the Dragons Pit was just stupid, Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins, Tyrion and Cersei was a big wtf!!!!, two things that I liked: Bron as always, and the tension about Jamie being murdered by the Mountain. Go home palexhur, you're drunk! mmm nice comment, so insightful
Oh, I tend to reply in kind.
Especially to distorted and overblown posts like: The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons and Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins
Your latter point isn't just hyperbolic, it's false in its entirety.
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On August 28 2017 15:11 VHbb wrote:
Most people here just want to watch main characters die for some sort of "GoT-like" big twist: I'm happy they didn't kill major characters just to have a big "ooohh moment" (like it could have been for Jamie, or Tyrion).
Who said that here? that they wanted big ohh moments based on that.
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I got so mad part way through the episode I just turned it off. This show is dead to me.
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On August 28 2017 15:14 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2017 14:45 palexhur wrote:On August 28 2017 14:25 thePunGun wrote:On August 28 2017 14:15 palexhur wrote:
The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons, not even the CGI saved it this time, LF death was so predictable when he was talking to Sansa before that, the meeting in the Dragons Pit was just stupid, Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins, Tyrion and Cersei was a big wtf!!!!, two things that I liked: Bron as always, and the tension about Jamie being murdered by the Mountain. Go home palexhur, you're drunk! mmm nice comment, so insightful Oh, I tend to reply in kind. Especially to distorted and overblown posts like: and Show nested quote + Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins Your latter point isn't just hyperbolic, it's false in its entirety.
For me it was, it is my opinion, glad you have another one, sorry if my standards are not like yours , gb hf.
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Cersei sees her prophecy coming true step by step. Maybe she is willing to see the world burn as she tries to disprove it. Looks like Jaime will be twice the king killer.
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Most people here just want to watch main characters die for some sort of "GoT-like" big twist: I'm happy they didn't kill major characters just to have a big "ooohh moment" (like it could have been for Jamie, or Tyrion).
The problem is that the tv series constantly try to pretend like that they may die, which is a very cheap form of writing. You can compare this to sensationalism in journalism.
I also suggest you go back and read my previous comments as I basically predicted evyerthing that would happen for the past 2 episodes.
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I cannot fathom how stupid this show has become. So the whitewalkers make it south becomes they magically got a dragon which they killed because someone thought it's a good plan to capture a single dead to show to cersei. Someone who has no defense against dragons and wouldn't have lasted very long since her army got burned in tyrell lands. Not even mentioning how contrived the loss of the tyrell and dornish army were just to give her a small fighting chance.
You can really see how they ran out of real material from the books. If this journey north to find a whitewalker is something GRRM thought of, I really do hope he can sell it more convincingly. This season was the worst so far judging from the quality of dialogue and contrived story I don't have much hope for the final one but maybe I am too harsh on the writers of the show.
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On August 28 2017 17:46 Yuljan wrote:
I cannot fathom how stupid this show has become. So the whitewalkers make it south becomes they magically got a dragon which they killed because someone thought it's a good plan to capture a single dead to show to cersei. Someone who has no defense against dragons and wouldn't have lasted very long since her army got burned in tyrell lands. Not even mentioning how contrived the loss of the tyrell and dornish army were just to give her a small fighting chance.
You can really see how they ran out of real material from the books. If this journey north to find a whitewalker is something GRRM thought of, I really do hope he can sell it more convincingly. This season was the worst so far judging from the quality of dialogue and contrived story I don't have much hope for the final one but maybe I am too harsh on the writers of the show.
I personally don't have a problem with the WW getting a dragon, but the justification is very flimsy here indeed. I wouldn't have minded if they had gone on a mission with the same outcome either; just for something better than getting a wight to show Cersei. It made no sense when the plan was announced, and it still doesn't.
But well. Overall a good episode, ending was pretty satisfying and the dialogue was better than before. I liked it. Trying not to think about logic too much and appreciate what's being shown.
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Btw how cool was the shot over the wall (when Bran's crows are flying above it) just where it meets the sea?
I'm quite sure the WW would have had a different solution to go past the wall if they didn't have the dragon: what kind of story is "the WW arrives at the wall, it is to high, so they just go back" .. ?
Of course having the dragon is convenient, but it's a story - and it's a good way of having them go past the wall quickly rather than showing a long siege of the wall, or some other less cool way of doing it (like charging the gates with thousands of undeads).
If you remember, the wildlings already went past one of the gates thanks to the giant (the one that just lifted the gate..!): the undeads have multiple giants which could have probably done the same, or something similar.
After this season I think my favorite story-arcs are Jamie's and the Stark's (in particular Arya and Sansa) ones. If you compare with the first episodes, Arya and Sansa seem like completely different characters, transformed by all they went through, but they are still very much "linked" to how they were portrayed at the beginning (sorry, I feel like my english prevents me to express this better )
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On August 28 2017 18:10 VHbb wrote:Btw how cool was the shot over the wall (when Bran's crows are flying above it) just where it meets the sea? I'm quite sure the WW would have had a different solution to go past the wall if they didn't have the dragon: what kind of story is "the WW arrives at the wall, it is to high, so they just go back" .. ? Of course having the dragon is convenient, but it's a story - and it's a good way of having them go past the wall quickly rather than showing a long siege of the wall, or some other less cool way of doing it (like charging the gates with thousands of undeads). If you remember, the wildlings already went past one of the gates thanks to the giant (the one that just lifted the gate..!): the undeads have multiple giants which could have probably done the same, or something similar. After this season I think my favorite story-arcs are Jamie's and the Stark's (in particular Arya and Sansa) ones. If you compare with the first episodes, Arya and Sansa seem like completely different characters, transformed by all they went through, but they are still very much "linked" to how they were portrayed at the beginning (sorry, I feel like my english prevents me to express this better )
You are still wrong. There is magic defense built into the Wall so the dead cannot pass. The frostdragon broke that boundary. So NO the WW with the wight army couldn't pass through the main gate with or without undead giants. The giants from the Wildling army were ALIVE and could brute force the gates! Big fucking difference.
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I'm sure the Night King would have been able to dispell the magic enchanting the wall in some way - in 7 seasons, I never assumed that the wall would have been able to just STOP the army of the dead, otherwise the whole threat would have felt really not.. menacing 
How do we know that the frost dragon broke the magic defenses - and it was not the Night King himself that did it?
Maybe they'll explain it in the first episode of S8, but even if they didn't, I really don't see any inconsistencies here..
p.s. no need for the attitude, I'm not "wrong", I just don't see it like you - if the show makes you angry don't put it on me
p.p.s. what was up with Tyrion in the ending of the episode, when Jon went into Daenerys room? The music made the moment kind of weird ..
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100% I knew Tyrion wasnt gonna get killed in that room. But when Jaime was about to walk away... I was legit worried for him. I guess that was something that made me feel like it was the old GoT I knew and loved.
Again, as stated by previous posters, idk how they would have gotten through the wall without a Dragon (supporting the claim that dragon fire broke the anti-dead magic barrier). I guess it supports the argument that it was a bait by the NK after all. Even then it was poorly executed and poorly thought out by the writers because there was ZERO connection between the NK knowing that they would go on a LOTR expedition. But I guess writers were depending on people just going along with the ride rather than questioning plot holes.
Jon/Dany sex scene was 100% happening.
Jon being a Targaryan was already known, but a legitimate borne was not. So that was cool, I guess. Kinda weird how Sam's role in Maester University was to just legitimize Jon's ancestry and inform everyone of Dragonglass cove.
LF story was boring and a waste of too much screen time, but they had to wrap up his character. We all knew he had no real endgame unless he plotted with the NK.
The wall debris falling into the bay was... how should I put this: plausible impossibility? Like sure, all of the debris falls straight down into the shore, which apparently is a dead drop into super deep waters--RIGHT OFF THE BAY. Not to mention the NK's perfect calculation of controlled demolition with his precise dragon fire shooting on his newly acquired FW.
I know Im being critical. But part of what made this show amazing was their attention to detail and fantastic writing and execution of it. This entire season, as a whole, failed this.
edit: Almost forgot about Jorah scene. He knew the moment she said "We'll sail together" that they were gonna have boat sex. ROFLMAO
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My friend summed up nicely how I felt about this season as a whole: thank god for Twin Peaks.
Edit: I guess I should expand. It's not that the show is pure shit right now(the 6th episode was, though), but the tension felt really low and the dialogue came off super forced more often than not, which really dragged it down.
The battles were amazing, though, so there's that at least.
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@ Emnjay You knew Tyrion wasn't going to get killed because you know Cersei isn't a retard. She would be signing her own death sentence
And i knew she wasn't going to kill Jaime, because she just can't. She would had kill him long before if she really could. Jaime always has been a liability for her, her weakness.
And the bait ... doesn't the NK have the same power as Bran ? Isn't it safe to assume ?
@to the rest
To be honest reading this thread is becoming hilarious at this point, the amount of whining nonsense is amazing. If the show doesn't spell everything very slowly for you, it's a plothole. Or if the show does something that interferes with your subjective headcannon, it's shit writing. If the show conveniently pass a month on one minute, it's a teleport, if a raven manages to send word to Daenerys, we will assume that it was a fault in writing and we would not ask ourselves how long do nights last in the north, or even if they only stayed there one day, if a few survive against the army of the dead, we will conveniently forget that they were fighting one vs one for the most time since the dead couldn't cross in total numbers, and they were using dragonglass, valyrian steel, flaming sword and those aren't the same as the first one we saw on black castle.
I am sure you will find none who will argue that the first seasons weren't better, but from there to "the show is a shitshow" is quite a lengthy path.
Hell, i remember people complaining about Sam not deducting instantly that Jon was a Targaryen, and now it is that "Sam conveniently went there to legitimize Jon". Because let's forget that we got to see the place and its inhabitants, or Jorah's healing in the first place, and we still don't know what else Sam has brought from there.
Like really, when the show goes too fast, it's because the shitwriters don't know to show me the vipers boarding the ship even if there is a scene hinting me that that's pretty much what they are going to do, and when the show goes a little bit more into detail like LF/Arya/Sansa/Bran, they should had skipped most of it and give us a teleportational resolution. It really sounds more like a matter of taste, than a legitimate critic. Which is fine, except when people is emboldened enough to call it bad writing or plotholes.
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On August 28 2017 14:15 palexhur wrote:
The chapter was the worst season finale of all seasons, not even the CGI saved it this time, LF death was so predictable when he was talking to Sansa before that, the meeting in the Dragons Pit was just stupid, Theon fight was like a superhero movie when the good one after receiving 1000 punches just blows one and he wins, Tyrion and Cersei was a big wtf!!!!, two things that I liked: Bron as always, and the tension about Jamie being murdered by the Mountain.
I wish people coming to this thread exclusively to say "worst episode / show / finale ever, this show has become so crap, bad writing, SAD!" just got banned.
You guys have been doing that, every episode since season 3 and you are fucking ruining this thread.
I watch the thing, come here to read and discuss about it and it's a shitshow of negativity by kids who find it cool to shit on everything because that has to prove you so smart. It's annoying. Just stop. You don't like, it don't watch it, and if you do because of some twisted masochistic impulse, don't use this thread to whine about it.
Great final I think, and great season overall. I wish they had kept the rythm a bit slower, it was part of the charm and left a lot of space for character development. But if they have one season left, it makes sense to get the plot going. LF dying was satisfying, I thought he would keep ruining everything. It was a bit anticlimactic for his arc, and yet it makes sense he would miss something at one point. Bran knowing everything was hard to foresee though.
Wonder if Thormund is dead, I guess not. I love the character.
Can't wait for the last season
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On different note the Nights King must have foreseen Dany coming with her dragons since he knew he needed their magic fire to break the Walls magic.
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