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On July 31 2017 16:52 lestye wrote:
I loved the scene with Jamie and Lady Tyrell.
But god bless the Bran Sansa scene under the tree was so wtf.
Ya Bran talking about Sansa being raped was pretty awkward. There's literally a dozen other stuff that he could have talked about to prove his powers, but nope--YOU LOOKED BEAUTIFUL BEFORE U GOT RAPED.
I honestly feel like all these awkward scenes are just to pander to the audience who buy into this cheap/shallow drama. I'm not saying this is bad writing. But it's definitely not in the same league as S1 and S2.
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Also, let's just remember the absolute riciulous plan of not attacking Kings Landing to "sacrifice lives". Yes, let's instead attack other castles/cities on the other side of the continent while preventing the capital from getting supplies so they die of hunger.
If you think about it, what good advice has Tyrion actually offered to Danerys. Has he just become the guy who needs to give advice so the plot can move on?
To be fair, there were many good things about the episode. However, it would just be so much more awesome if the actions of the characters were believeable.
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regarding what they could have done. in the show, queen of thorns mentioned tyrion had thought jaime would be in casterly rock. implying that if she had sent ravens/scouts/whatever to inform tyrion, he could have adjusted accordingly. at the very least, she could have fled with a small escort to a safe place, while the troops stayed behind to defend.
i mean look, i'm not trying to sound overly critical. GRRM is a fantastic writer - and sadly we will probably never see his vision for the series complete because he is a gardener who has created too many intricate subplots and POVs. But the show is swinging wildly to the other direction. Why not give fans what they want which is more seasons? Unless the actors are all sick of it, they could have easily stretched this out 2-3 more seasons in addition to the current one. Everything feels too rushed.
Don't get me wrong I'm still going to watch the rest. This has been a good show, but while I like some of the things done after show diverged from books (such as getting Dany out of Mereen - she was basically stuck there in Dance with Dragons until the very end) a lot of other stuff feels like it was done to wipe out characters so they could bring things to a premature close
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Emilia Clarke is so bad at that "I'm a rightful sovereign and you should obey" role, it really detracts from her scenes.
I also fail to see how Daenerys will get out from this, plot-wise. No fleet left ; no allies left ; Jon seems bent on dealing with the White Walkers before worrying about Cersei ; and her army is at the other side of the continent. Meanwhile, Cersei now has no more internal enemies that we know of ; has an army and fleet led by the best commanders around ; and will be able to repay the Iron Bank and start another loan to pay for war. I really hope that's not going to default into a random "win by dragons" moment.
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On July 31 2017 18:30 OtherWorld wrote:
Emilia Clarke is so bad at that "I'm a rightful sovereign and you should obey" role, it really detracts from her scenes.
I also fail to see how Daenerys will get out from this, plot-wise. No fleet left ; no allies left ; Jon seems bent on dealing with the White Walkers before worrying about Cersei ; and her army is at the other side of the continent. Meanwhile, Cersei now has no more internal enemies that we know of ; has an army and fleet led by the best commanders around ; and will be able to repay the Iron Bank and start another loan to pay for war. I really hope that's not going to default into a random "win by dragons" moment.
I'll put this in spoilers because it is based on the preview for Episode 4, if you don't want to know anything about the preview, don't open 
+ Show Spoiler +It looks like the Lannister army is transporting gold from Highgarden back to the capital, presumably to pay off their debts to the bank. I imagine Dany will attack this transport with her dragons. It'd be a minor victory and she still doesn't have an army, but it's something. Without any cash, Cersei won't keep her army fed forever, and the bank will not give her a new loan.
How they will give Dany an army, though, I do not know... Presumably she will attempt everything she can to save her unsullied.
Does Dany still have an army of Dothraki, or did they join the attack on the rock?
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I kinda want Dany to be put in a desperate position and just go on a crazy raid with her dragons. I mean that's how true Targaryens conquer isn't it?
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I really wonder where the highgarden army of cavalry knights is, don't they have like the best ones in westeros? Are they still marching on kings landing?
And yeah lol@ Bran. He could've told stories about their adventures, and Rickon, and Hodor, the white walkers. She could've told him about her time at Kings Landing. A great reunion. But no he goes, 'you were pretty when you got raped, can't tell more it's too complicated'
On July 31 2017 13:25 KwarK wrote:
The sewers thing was kinda dumb too. The whole point of the early Tyrion/Tywin relationship is that Tywin was always going above and beyond to try and prove to his father that he was the kind of awesome son Tywin really needed. Battle of Blackwater sally, wildfire in the river, his time as hand, mountain tribes from the Vale, whatever. Tyrion always gave every task his all for his father, no matter how lowly. If his job is to design the sewers then he'll design the best sewers he can.
And yet we're supposed to believe that he went "fuck it, dad's most important goal is to make a secure castle but I wanna get some pussy". Womanizing drinking "don't give a fuck" Tyrion is a product of his inability to satisfy his father's impossible standards. It's pretty irrelevant but they're really fucking up his character. They're rewriting it as him being a total fuckup forever until he meets Dany, becomes her hand, quits drinking and finds Jesus.
Old Tyrion goes
Tyrion giving 110% to everything to prove himself to the person who matters most to him
Tyrion getting all depressed about his failure to prove himself no matter what he does
Turns out that the guy was a massive hypocrite, Tyrion was always worthy of Tywin, Tywin was unworthy of Tyrion
Tyrion killing that dude because fuck that guy
Tyrion going through a nihilistic drinking period
Tyrion giving 110% to everything to prove himself to the person who matters most to him
New Tyrion goes
lol, same old Tyrion, if there's pussy or wine involved he'll always get some, what a rascal
Have you heard the good news about our lord and saviour Kelly C?
I don't agree. He wanted to marry a whore and his father didn't let him and tortured this women he loved in front of him. Easy to see how he would create a whore channel just to spite him. Even in the first episode Tyrion is just chilling. He doesn't take his wall inspection duty serious either. In his battle for the lannisters with the hill tribe dudes he's completely hungover from drinking so much, that's how serious he took that. He defended Blackwater because he wanted to himself, not for his father.
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Davos got the best line in the entire episode though during the introductions. "This is Jon Snow," pause for dramatic effect "He's king of the north."
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Nah nah the pause was not for dramatic effect, the pause was because he was finished. Then he got a glare from Jon and quickly added the second line xD
It was hilarious, though Euron's taunting of Jaime was just as good imo. Can't decide who I want to kill Euron, Theon or Jaime?
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On July 31 2017 20:36 Laurens wrote:
Nah nah the pause was not for dramatic effect, the pause was because he was finished. Then he got a glare from Jon and quickly added the second line xD
It was hilarious, though Euron's taunting of Jaime was just as good imo. Can't decide who I want to kill Euron, Theon or Jaime?
I don't get why u want to kill Jaime, arguably he's the most adequate person (with Bronn) with power in KL
How exactly Euron knew who poisoned Myrcella? It was never discussed with him
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On July 31 2017 20:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2017 20:36 Laurens wrote:
Nah nah the pause was not for dramatic effect, the pause was because he was finished. Then he got a glare from Jon and quickly added the second line xD
It was hilarious, though Euron's taunting of Jaime was just as good imo. Can't decide who I want to kill Euron, Theon or Jaime? I don't get why u want to kill Jaime, arguably he's the most adequate person (with Bronn) with power in KL How exactly Euron knew who poisoned Myrcella? It was never discussed with him
I said I want Jaime to kill Euron, I don't want Jaime to die.
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On July 31 2017 20:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2017 20:36 Laurens wrote:
Nah nah the pause was not for dramatic effect, the pause was because he was finished. Then he got a glare from Jon and quickly added the second line xD
It was hilarious, though Euron's taunting of Jaime was just as good imo. Can't decide who I want to kill Euron, Theon or Jaime? I don't get why u want to kill Jaime, arguably he's the most adequate person (with Bronn) with power in KL How exactly Euron knew who poisoned Myrcella? It was never discussed with him
probably lazy writing. but I didn't take that much issue with it since I took the poisoning as a deliberate statement of war from Ellaria - that she wanted everyone to know it was her. so if that was the case it's not too farfetched the news has spread throughout Westeros.
I take more issue with the fact that the Lannisters managed to move their 10,000 strong army completely unscouted to Highgarden. oh well. I do like the fact that Dany's alliance is getting outsmarted when facing more cunning enemies than the fools in Slaver's Bay
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Onion Knight is best, I really hope he lives through the series.
Also Euron definately has mass recall and hidden observers everywhere. He had time to ambush the other Iron Fleet, sink it, sail back to KL, make a big parade about his prisoners, sail back out and catch up to the fleet sent to Casterly Rock on the other side of Westeros just in time to burn the fleet after what I'd assume to be a short battle, took place. But hey!
Jaime v Queen of Thorns scene was great.
When Jon and Daenerys are talking about believing each other, I'm silently screaming, holy fuck Jon, just point out that his story sounds just as outlandish as 3 full grown dragons do, until you see them.
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I don't think Tyrions secret door undermines his character at all. He can build an amazing sewer system (and he eludes that he did in a conversation with Varys) while also building in a secret passage for himself.
We know his disregard for his fathers orders when it comes to his vices of drink and whores.
As for the unscouted Lannister army. Do we know it was unscouted? The unsullied were in transit at sea, even if someone found out they would not have been able to warn them.
And wasn't that guy that Jamie convinced and who rode with him into battle command one of the Tyrells main generals?
His army defecting would mean that even with warning they could not mount an effective defense.
Yes lady Olenna could have escaped buy considering the look on her face at the reveal and the lack of hesitation with the poison I don't think she was interested in running at all.
She was old, played the game of thrones for long enough and her beloved daughter is dead. She was tired of going on.
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On July 31 2017 20:52 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2017 20:41 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On July 31 2017 20:36 Laurens wrote:
Nah nah the pause was not for dramatic effect, the pause was because he was finished. Then he got a glare from Jon and quickly added the second line xD
It was hilarious, though Euron's taunting of Jaime was just as good imo. Can't decide who I want to kill Euron, Theon or Jaime? I don't get why u want to kill Jaime, arguably he's the most adequate person (with Bronn) with power in KL How exactly Euron knew who poisoned Myrcella? It was never discussed with him I said I want Jaime to kill Euron, I don't want Jaime to die.
ma bad, i missed key point
hard to imagine Jaime killing Euron considering how imbalanced Euron is and I don't even remember when was the last time Jaime fought, a season ago when "Dornish Saga" happened probably
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On July 31 2017 19:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:I really wonder where the highgarden army of cavalry knights is, don't they have like the best ones in westeros? Are they still marching on kings landing? And yeah lol@ Bran. He could've told stories about their adventures, and Rickon, and Hodor, the white walkers. She could've told him about her time at Kings Landing. A great reunion. But no he goes, 'you were pretty when you got raped, can't tell more it's too complicated' Show nested quote +On July 31 2017 13:25 KwarK wrote:
The sewers thing was kinda dumb too. The whole point of the early Tyrion/Tywin relationship is that Tywin was always going above and beyond to try and prove to his father that he was the kind of awesome son Tywin really needed. Battle of Blackwater sally, wildfire in the river, his time as hand, mountain tribes from the Vale, whatever. Tyrion always gave every task his all for his father, no matter how lowly. If his job is to design the sewers then he'll design the best sewers he can.
And yet we're supposed to believe that he went "fuck it, dad's most important goal is to make a secure castle but I wanna get some pussy". Womanizing drinking "don't give a fuck" Tyrion is a product of his inability to satisfy his father's impossible standards. It's pretty irrelevant but they're really fucking up his character. They're rewriting it as him being a total fuckup forever until he meets Dany, becomes her hand, quits drinking and finds Jesus.
Old Tyrion goes
Tyrion giving 110% to everything to prove himself to the person who matters most to him
Tyrion getting all depressed about his failure to prove himself no matter what he does
Turns out that the guy was a massive hypocrite, Tyrion was always worthy of Tywin, Tywin was unworthy of Tyrion
Tyrion killing that dude because fuck that guy
Tyrion going through a nihilistic drinking period
Tyrion giving 110% to everything to prove himself to the person who matters most to him
New Tyrion goes
lol, same old Tyrion, if there's pussy or wine involved he'll always get some, what a rascal
Have you heard the good news about our lord and saviour Kelly C? I don't agree. He wanted to marry a whore and his father didn't let him and tortured this women he loved in front of him. Easy to see how he would create a whore channel just to spite him. Even in the first episode Tyrion is just chilling. He doesn't take his wall inspection duty serious either. In his battle for the lannisters with the hill tribe dudes he's completely hungover from drinking so much, that's how serious he took that. He defended Blackwater because he wanted to himself, not for his father.
This is not probably explained well enough, but all the armies of the Reach are presumably led by Randyll Tarly who is now a traitor to house Tyrell. He is seen leading the siege of Highgarden by Olenna. It's still ridiculous how they took a fortified castle in a hour though, castles are designed to for dozens to hold off thousands for extended periods of time. Having access to a secret passage like in Casterly Rock might help, but no way should a castle be takeable by opening just one wooden door.
What is harder to explain for me is why the fck Olenna even is there. How the hell did she even get there? Both King's Landing and the Riverlands are under royal control. I also don't understand why the Unsullied and Yara's fleet didn't travel together, since Sunspear is practically a waypoint on the naval route to the western shore of Westeros where (surprise!) Casterly Rock is located. Is splitting your fleet in two and letting them be defeated in succession a good strategy? Also, how the heck is Euron able to visit King's Bloody Landing with a GIGANTIC fleet unnoticed by anyone at Bloody Dragonstone (just look at the map lol) and still be in time for the siege of Casterly Rock? Wtf is going on with time and space in the series?
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Winter is here and as the snow begins to fall, the fabric of time and space is turn asunder.
Obviously 
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We just need Euron to create a massive whirlpool in the next battle that swallows whatever fleet he is fighting and we can truly name him the Mothership.
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that's an ultimate skill, he still needs to level up
so far mass teleportation, farseer skills, berserker mode and some orator skilles which looks like a passive perk
well it's hard to make a better villain then Joffrey or Ramsay and they decided to make him just imbalanced but not interesting
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How does jamie order the march of a ton of lanister forces from castely rock all the way to highgarden with no one spotting it. Wasnt Rob's version on a smaller and closer scale.
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