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On July 28 2017 22:25 brian wrote:
his point is that everything you find interesting is tied to these characters. a spinoff generally means you lose those characters, instead having a story in the same universe with new characters.
and i agree, the universe is not interesting. it's definitely the characters.
Dunk and Egg are great. And the Dance of the Dragons could make a great miniseries.
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On July 28 2017 22:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 22:25 brian wrote:
his point is that everything you find interesting is tied to these characters. a spinoff generally means you lose those characters, instead having a story in the same universe with new characters.
and i agree, the universe is not interesting. it's definitely the characters. Dunk and Egg are great. And the Dance of the Dragons could make a great miniseries.
They barely have enough money to animate Ghost and Drogon. The Dance of Dragons would cost a billion dollars unless it's like 99% cheesy Hollywood acting with 1% dragon battles.
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On July 28 2017 23:26 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On July 28 2017 22:25 brian wrote:
his point is that everything you find interesting is tied to these characters. a spinoff generally means you lose those characters, instead having a story in the same universe with new characters.
and i agree, the universe is not interesting. it's definitely the characters. Dunk and Egg are great. And the Dance of the Dragons could make a great miniseries. They barely have enough money to animate Ghost and Drogon. The Dance of Dragons would cost a billion dollars unless it's like 99% cheesy Hollywood acting with 1% dragon battles.
Hear me out, they Who Framed Roger Rabbit it and have CDI like dragons.
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On July 28 2017 22:25 brian wrote:
his point is that everything you find interesting is tied to these characters. a spinoff generally means you lose those characters, instead having a story in the same universe with new characters.
Most spinoffs specifically keep one or two characters, often well liked or interesting supporting cast members, and just explore them in a new or different setting. It's pretty rare for a spinoff of a tv show to have none of the same actors, I can't really think of any examples of big shows which had spinoffs which weren't led by an actor from the main series.
friends -> joey
doctor who -> torchwood (and many others)
breaking bad -> better call saul
cheers -> frasier
etc
They'll probably just take some of the more popular characters, like Arya, tyrion, jamie, jon etc or maybe someone minor like bronn and have tyrion/jamie cameos. Then either follow them after the show, assuming they survive, or show some earlier part of their life or a side plot or something.
Assuming they don't just go full prequel
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The propensity to kill off characters left and right makes this approach a little harder 
Anyway, I think CGI is overrated. If they have a good script, they can just 2d animate stuff and I won't care, if the story is boring, no amount of eye candy makes it interesting, not in 2017.
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If they do spin offs, I would expect them to have a different tone and over arcing plot than Fantasy War of the Roses. It could be less of a meat grinder. There are way to create high stakes that don’t revolve around people dying all the time.
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United States44300 Posts
Rome was great without sudden killing twists (spoiler: Caesar dies at the end of Series 1). HBO can certainly get it done if they want.
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On July 28 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:
In fairness logistical issues were a key component in the Stannis in the north storyline. If they're going to handwave away logistics they should do so universally. If they're going to make it a major plot point for one character it's a little silly for them to ignore it everywhere else.
In general logistical issues not uh being issues in show quality was part of what made seasons 1-3 so great. The show felt rooted and logical which really added to the intrigue of it.
The problem isn't that they have to show all the logistical parts, they didn't really do that early on either. The problem is simple, they keep pitting inconsistent times against each other which makes the logistics impossible. They'll show one scene from a character, and some from another and the times just impossibly line up. In season 1 for example all of the characters crossing paths (Tyrion & Cat for example) happen in a way where the travel times make sense and line up with the time progression of other characters.
A good example is Dorne at the end of last season. Oleanna makes her way down to Dorne, then across the narrow sea, then back in the time it takes for characters like John Snow to do basically nothing. So on one side a presumably months have passed, but on the other it's been like 2 days?
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On July 29 2017 01:42 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:
In fairness logistical issues were a key component in the Stannis in the north storyline. If they're going to handwave away logistics they should do so universally. If they're going to make it a major plot point for one character it's a little silly for them to ignore it everywhere else. In general logistical issues not uh being issues in show quality was part of what made seasons 1-3 so great. The show felt rooted and logical which really added to the intrigue of it. The problem isn't that they have to show all the logistical parts, they didn't really do that early on either. The problem is simple, they keep pitting inconsistent times against each other which makes the logistics impossible. They'll show one scene from a character, and some from another and the times just impossibly line up. In season 1 for example all of the characters crossing paths (Tyrion & Cat for example) happen in a way where the travel times make sense and line up with the time progression of other characters. A good example is Dorne at the end of last season. Oleanna makes her way down to Dorne, then across the narrow sea, then back in the time it takes for characters like John Snow to do basically nothing. So on one side a presumably months have passed, but on the other it's been like 2 days?
Well, you just have to accept a certain amount of non-linearity in the way they present the various plotlines. In the books it's more explicit how different parts of the story are not chronological. In the show it's a lot more jarring. The last episode, for instance, had Sam send a raven from Oldtown, and Tyrion send a raven later on. Yet Tyrion's raven got there days earlier. This actually makes logical sense, because Oldtown is quite a bit further than Dragonstone from Winterfell, but since the show has made as if distances and travel don't really exist except as plot devices, it's weird when they suddenly do decide that the raven from Oldtown takes longer despite being sent earlier in the narrative they established.
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France7248 Posts
I'm pretty sure they confirmed that the "spin off" would not have any character from the show, and that it will be prequel
they also confirmed it will not be Robert's rebellion nor dunk & egg
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They have an insanely vast universe to draw from. They can take any random period in time and invent a story or even characters. It would really just be a show which happens to take place in the world of ASoIaF, so they can use the lore and make tons of references to the main show depending on when the spinoff happens.
Hopefully they get better writers than D&D.
edit: my bet is a spin-off show about the Starks, set during the Kings of Winter era.
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I say the spinoff will be "growing pains - house dorne" with sand snakes in puberty throwing tantrums and oberyn banging everything with a heartbeat and a "i don't know what i did wrong now" face while his wench tries to stab him.
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I want a soap opera exploring the complex relations within house Frey, or maybr even better, in Kraster's keep.
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On July 29 2017 22:42 opisska wrote:
I want a soap opera exploring the complex relations within house Frey, or maybr even better, in Kraster's keep.
Kraster's keep should be a sitcom imo: "How i met your mothers"
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On July 29 2017 22:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 22:42 opisska wrote:
I want a soap opera exploring the complex relations within house Frey, or maybr even better, in Kraster's keep. Kraster's keep should be a sitcom imo: "How i met your mothers"
That makes exactly zero sense as he doesn't really "meat" any of them, yet it is quite funny.
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I prefer "Full House" or some play on "Three's Company."
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I mean he meets them at their birth, nvm
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On July 24 2017 13:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:sad cause bad  greyjoy fleet coming out of nowhere in the middle of the night to find greyjoy fleet is such epic story telling...
Oh jesus it's a story, do you need to be told eeeeeevery detail of everything? Euron is tge best sea captain in the world, he ambushed tge other iron fleet. What's so damn weird or inconsistent about it?
Half the posts here are whining about "bad writing". It's not Shakespeare and it's not meant to be, the writing is perfectly fine this season so far. The soft porn bit gets old, the pace is a bit quicker than usual, which might be a pity, but there is no à-la-Dorne disaster anywhere.
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Ireland1548 Posts
On July 29 2017 22:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 22:42 opisska wrote:
I want a soap opera exploring the complex relations within house Frey, or maybr even better, in Kraster's keep. Kraster's keep should be a sitcom imo: "How i met your mothers"
That is hilarious, well done!
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I think the adventures of Tyrion, Bronn and Shagga would make a good sitcom. Two and a half men.
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