After watching the episode I got the feeling that arya is going to die this season. That opening scene was overkill for sure and as she walked out of the great hall your could see a smile on her face. And then following that up with the next scene saying she going to kings landing to kill the queen.
I feel like she is now so consumed by vengeance that it will end up being the death of her. I have my fingers crossed that she will run into nymeria on the way and that somehow makes her realize she should go home. For a girl who has never seen a winter I find it hard to believe she will survive on her own.
And the first? trailer for this season had littlefinger talking towards the end. He says something about during winter the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. I'm starting to get worried for my favorite character T_T
On July 18 2017 07:32 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: decent episode, Jon did exclusivly well
sam's scenes were weird
and I forgot, is Davos Jon's the hand?
Jon doesnt have a hand as he isn't claimant to the iron throne (Robb didnt have a hand when he was KitN either). He is Jon's top/most trusted advisor though, so take it how you will...
In the scene with Jaime and Cersei, she's standing on the Neck while Jamie's standing on the Fingers. The witch told Cersei that she'd be killed by her little brother, but she always thought it'd be Tyrion. I guess she was wrong
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote: How was it badass? 2 seconds into the scene you knew exactly what would happen. If a scene can be predicted that easily it's generally not interesting.
It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).
Well it fooled me, my initial thought was that Bran was seeing the past, but once he started talking about killing the Starks, I was like wait a minute this is Arya.
I do agree that the last few seasons have been moving the plot in a more straightforward fashion, I feel like it doesnt build suspense as it did before, but relies much heavier on the shock and spectacle factors.
I also didn't like the Frey killing scene. Too easy, no satisfaction. I don't like Arya becoming the magic murder maiden. It feels cheap and easy. Her storyline was believable up until that.
I thought the introduction was weak. I don't know why we're supposed to believe Arya is now this unstoppable, almighty killing machine. Her training mostly consisted of her getting beaten up, washing corpses and doing random things. I just don't buy that she'd be able to pull off something like this.
But I get it. 7 episodes left, 6 in the other season. They are in full wrap-up mode.
Overall, a goodish episode. Notable improvement in the way Euron is being written, but he still does not convince me as the badass he supposedly is.
In the scene with Jaime and Cersei, she's standing on the Neck while Jamie's standing on the Fingers. The witch told Cersei that she'd be killed by her little brother, but she always thought it'd be Tyrion. I guess she was wrong
In the scene with Jaime and Cersei, she's standing on the Neck while Jamie's standing on the Fingers. The witch told Cersei that she'd be killed by her little brother, but she always thought it'd be Tyrion. I guess she was wrong
She's standing right to The Twins, which lie at the southern border of the Neck. See this image: https://i.redd.it/qs2sko2virzy.png The camera is positioned just so it can be read "The Neck" next to her. And Jamie is almost at the Fingers. It's just too much of a coincidence, I think. Also, I don't see how that's a book only thing. The map is obviously on the show(I have not idea if The Neck has been mentioned before, but Littlefinger has told Sansa about The Fingers), and we saw Maggy and the prophecy last season.
Probably been mentioned countless times but assuming Westeros uses traditional succession rules similar to that of the British monarchy and assuming Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon Snow is ahead of Dany in line for the Targ throne. Although he's a grandson of the last king and she's a daughter (so she's more directly linked) the throne still passes through Rhaegar and his descendants before his siblings.
Basically being dead is no barrier to your rights to the throne, you simply inherit the throne and then immediately step aside for your heir on the grounds that you're dead.
On July 18 2017 15:22 KwarK wrote: Probably been mentioned countless times but assuming Westeros uses traditional succession rules similar to that of the British monarchy and assuming Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon Snow is ahead of Dany in line for the Targ throne. Although he's a grandson of the last king and she's a daughter (so she's more directly linked) the throne still passes through Rhaegar and his descendants before his siblings.
Basically being dead is no barrier to your rights to the throne, you simply inherit the throne and then immediately step aside for your heir on the grounds that you're dead.
There's two things stopping that though: (1) Jon would need proof of Rhaegar and Lyanna's marriage (and indeed, would need to actually know of his own heritage: so far only Bran knows, and even if he understands the significance of his visions, it's not something he can entrust to a raven). Otherwise he's just an illegitimate bastard with no right to the crown at all. (2) might makes right, as has been shown every single conflict in the wars over the span of the series...
Far more likely outcome is that Daenerys and Jon get married and unite their forces against the white walkers. Which seems to be the only hope for Westeros.
On July 18 2017 15:22 KwarK wrote: Probably been mentioned countless times but assuming Westeros uses traditional succession rules similar to that of the British monarchy and assuming Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon Snow is ahead of Dany in line for the Targ throne. Although he's a grandson of the last king and she's a daughter (so she's more directly linked) the throne still passes through Rhaegar and his descendants before his siblings.
Basically being dead is no barrier to your rights to the throne, you simply inherit the throne and then immediately step aside for your heir on the grounds that you're dead.
What is the status of discussion regarding Jons oath to the nights watch ending with his (first) death? I assume that if he is no longer bound by his oath to the night watch, then in the same manner, his succession rights to the throne would be gone once he died, and dont come back after he was resurrected?
On July 18 2017 15:22 KwarK wrote: Probably been mentioned countless times but assuming Westeros uses traditional succession rules similar to that of the British monarchy and assuming Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon Snow is ahead of Dany in line for the Targ throne. Although he's a grandson of the last king and she's a daughter (so she's more directly linked) the throne still passes through Rhaegar and his descendants before his siblings.
Basically being dead is no barrier to your rights to the throne, you simply inherit the throne and then immediately step aside for your heir on the grounds that you're dead.
What is the status of discussion regarding Jons oath to the nights watch ending with his (first) death? I assume that if he is no longer bound by his oath to the night watch, then in the same manner, his succession rights to the throne would be gone once he died, and dont come back after he was resurrected?
Why? You think returning from death somehow changed his parentage? His oath quite explicitly had a "til death do us part" clause. Succession rights are simply inherent. The same way he didn't magically change his hair color upon resurrection, being a Tagaryen is part of his heritage.
That said, succession rights are mostly just convenient ways of justifying to other people why you and your big army deserve to "inherit" the iron throne. People have to give a shit for them to have any validity. Stannis thought there was something inherent about them, and went around losing war after war, being unable to convince anybody about anything despite being the rightful heir to the throne, according to "succession rights".
People getting stuck up on succession rights and oaths have not understood one of the underlying messages game of thrones is hammering home repeatedly.
On July 18 2017 07:32 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: decent episode, Jon did exclusivly well
sam's scenes were weird
and I forgot, is Davos Jon's the hand?
Jon doesnt have a hand as he isn't claimant to the iron throne (Robb didnt have a hand when he was KitN either). He is Jon's top/most trusted advisor though, so take it how you will...
so at this point it's just a matter of time, considering every king/queen got a hand I don't see any other person around Jon who can fill such important role, besides Davos used to such role
And honestly, I'd say Jon is more favorite to claim it all now, since he got huge support in the north, with wildings on his side, as well as night's watch, Sansa, Brienne, Podrick, Davos. If Bran with Mira returns, Littlefinger decides to support Sansa and therefore Jon, Arya coming back, Berrick/Toros and Hound also might be on his side. Vale and Riverlands I guess should turn on Jon's side. Melisandre most likely proceeds to follow Jon by doing other important stuff and she certanly belives he's the one who promised. We also should mention possible friendship with High Garden and Olenna Tyrell, in this case Sansa can make it. Well and ofc mother of dragons most certalty gonna fall in love with "you know nothing".
I wonder what happened to Jon's wolf, such detail as having huge white Direwolf in front of King in the North would be even more convincing for others.
A lot of mystery with south and Sun Spear, even though north and south got more similarities then others it is still hard to predict which side they are planning to join (ofc excluding Lannisters)
On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh. I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.
Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .
Just a hypothetical now, would you think it is "badass" and satisfying if next episode arya kills cersei similarly? (so without really showing anythign before, no buildup, just the moment of the death). That would also be fine?
so this point is actually exactly why i did like this scene. and to answe your question though not directed at me, no, that wouldn't be satisfying. but it's different.
when robb and mom died it was this long drawn out affair in the hall. there was build up. it was important. but arya just slaughtered these men in seconds and there was no ceremony and she just didn't care. i think the swiftness of the scene actually gave it more impact- showing that she just doesn't consider these men as important enough to so much as warrant a meaningful death. pretty cool, to me. whether it was done to show aryas state of mind or just a show decision i still think it was a great one. there shouldn't be any ceremony in the deaths of 'cowardly men' to quote Jamie.
overall very good episode in my opinion. it was half recap half set up. it was done well enough that i wasn't bored. it oriented me to remember who my key players are and where they are. so yea, better than average for me. not spectacular, but that's not my expectation for episode one.
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