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RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 15:10:00
July 18 2017 14:24 GMT
#32201
Howland Reed is the one holding Jon's birth certificate, or he knows it is hidden inside Lyanna's crypt.

Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland764 Posts
July 18 2017 14:27 GMT
#32202
On July 18 2017 06:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 06:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:24 Mafe wrote:


And was anyone else thinking that size of Eurons fleet wasnt really fitting with how the greyjoy realm was portrayed so far?

Yeah Eurons fleet is a miracle of shipbuilding both timewise and resource wise. 'I want every tree you can find, every man bending planks. But he lives on a barren rock. European fleets in the middle ages took many years and complete forests to be built. But the Greyjoys don't adhere to physics anyway since they regularly show up a complete continent away between 1 episode, like freeing Theon who was in the Dreadfort, literally have to sail across the north or south pole of westeros to get there from the Iron Islands.

Not only is Eurons fleet hilariously big for the resources of the Iron Isles, Theon and his sister took a similar size fleet to Dany?

Just how many trees are on those barren rocks and how do they build a full size ship within a single day.


"Hey, if Dany can have dragons, the Greyjoy can have magical woodsupplies" - that's how it felt for me. =/
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Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland764 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 14:49:49
July 18 2017 14:44 GMT
#32203
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote:

It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).

There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.


While I agree on the "go on at all costs-snydrome", I rather think it's that way due to GRRM's endless meandering and adding more and more exposition all the time, even in books 5+ instead of finally trying to wrap the story up.

I would love to see more of Arya's training and her future way, I would love to see Dany learn how to reign en detail etc, but so far, GRRMs writing led to a situation where ASOIAF reads like it's rather 10 individual books set in fantasy world that coincendally overlap from time to time than 1 series that's ending in 7 books.

He might have been better of to write a trilogy with 1/5th the characters, then write another trilogy, then just another another, do it the e.g. Shannara way... I mean everything up to the war of 5 kings setting built up tension naturally, with the abrupt deaths and new beginnings of plotlines feeling like it the books were originally meant to be a trilogy, but then somehow plans changed and ti should be stretched to 7 books/seasons. I mean, Dorne getting mentioned first in Season 3; the show would feel the same when there would be no sandsnakes... sounds like filler material / just another RPG sourcebook material


TLDR;
Sadly the TV show does not have the luxury of being able to go on endlessly like GRRM, but needs to wrap up NOW
Would love to get more than those final 8+6 episodes to ensure the rest of the series get the same writing treatment it got in season 1-3,too ...
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
July 18 2017 15:14 GMT
#32204
On July 18 2017 23:44 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote:

It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).

There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.


While I agree on the "go on at all costs-snydrome", I rather think it's that way due to GRRM's endless meandering and adding more and more exposition all the time, even in books 5+ instead of finally trying to wrap the story up.

I would love to see more of Arya's training and her future way, I would love to see Dany learn how to reign en detail etc, but so far, GRRMs writing led to a situation where ASOIAF reads like it's rather 10 individual books set in fantasy world that coincendally overlap from time to time than 1 series that's ending in 7 books.

He might have been better of to write a trilogy with 1/5th the characters, then write another trilogy, then just another another, do it the e.g. Shannara way... I mean everything up to the war of 5 kings setting built up tension naturally, with the abrupt deaths and new beginnings of plotlines feeling like it the books were originally meant to be a trilogy, but then somehow plans changed and ti should be stretched to 7 books/seasons. I mean, Dorne getting mentioned first in Season 3; the show would feel the same when there would be no sandsnakes... sounds like filler material / just another RPG sourcebook material


TLDR;
Sadly the TV show does not have the luxury of being able to go on endlessly like GRRM, but needs to wrap up NOW
Would love to get more than those final 8+6 episodes to ensure the rest of the series get the same writing treatment it got in season 1-3,too ...


Minor correction - 7+6 episodes, and we are already one epsiode in, so only 12 episodes left.
Envy fan since NTH.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
July 18 2017 15:37 GMT
#32205
Tarly's scenes were amazing. lol
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 18 2017 17:22 GMT
#32206
Sam's compilation in the academy reminded me so much of my civil service.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
July 18 2017 17:41 GMT
#32207
You may all be aware of this already but does anyone recognise this musician?
+ Show Spoiler +

Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
July 18 2017 18:15 GMT
#32208
On July 19 2017 02:41 bardtown wrote:
You may all be aware of this already but does anyone recognise this musician?
+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/QoyMvE5g7f8


Wow I was not aware. No wonder Grey Worm gets the ladies
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
July 18 2017 20:48 GMT
#32209
+ Show Spoiler +
any chance that the hound is azor ahai?
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 19 2017 05:12 GMT
#32210
YOURR NOT FOOLING ANYONE WITH THAT TOPKNOT YE BALD CUNT
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
July 19 2017 07:07 GMT
#32211
On July 19 2017 14:12 MassHysteria wrote:
YOURR NOT FOOLING ANYONE WITH THAT TOPKNOT YE BALD CUNT

The Hound and Tormund are the only characters I give a fuck about at this point of the season since most of it is just fluff for now.
Skol
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-19 16:17:01
July 19 2017 16:15 GMT
#32212
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:
On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.


Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .


How was it badass? 2 seconds into the scene you knew exactly what would happen. If a scene can be predicted that easily it's generally not interesting.

It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).

There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.


Just because I knew what was happening and going to happen doesn't make it awesome. I knew what was going to happen and I thought it was well done. Not everything has to be unpredictable.

You said you weren't surprised by a single arch or surprised by the outcome of anything since season 4, are you telling me you weren't shocked with Cersei killed a ton of characters and became the queen? I don't know a single person that predicted that in season 6.

I'll give you that season 6 was easily the most predictable season of the show. I think the only thing that surprised me was the last episode. However, I don't think that makes it bad or boring or anything.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
July 19 2017 16:22 GMT
#32213
On July 20 2017 01:15 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote:
On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:
On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.


Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .


How was it badass? 2 seconds into the scene you knew exactly what would happen. If a scene can be predicted that easily it's generally not interesting.

It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).

There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.


Just because I knew what was happening and going to happen doesn't make it awesome. I knew what was going to happen and I thought it was well done. Not everything has to be unpredictable.

You said you weren't surprised by a single arch or surprised by the outcome of anything since season 4, are you telling me you weren't shocked with Cersei killed a ton of characters and became the queen? I don't know a single person that predicted that in season 6.

I'll give you that season 6 was easily the most predictable season of the show. I think the only thing that surprised me was the last episode. However, I don't think that makes it bad or boring or anything.

Really? You didn't see the wildfire coming?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
July 19 2017 16:25 GMT
#32214
Everyone dying, Loras, silly Tyrell, Marge, Tommen, Mr. Sparrow, low budget Tywin, low budget Tywin's religious son, etc was unexpected.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
July 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#32215
On July 20 2017 01:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 01:15 blade55555 wrote:
On July 18 2017 07:20 Hider wrote:
On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:
On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.


Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .


How was it badass? 2 seconds into the scene you knew exactly what would happen. If a scene can be predicted that easily it's generally not interesting.

It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).

There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.


Just because I knew what was happening and going to happen doesn't make it awesome. I knew what was going to happen and I thought it was well done. Not everything has to be unpredictable.

You said you weren't surprised by a single arch or surprised by the outcome of anything since season 4, are you telling me you weren't shocked with Cersei killed a ton of characters and became the queen? I don't know a single person that predicted that in season 6.

I'll give you that season 6 was easily the most predictable season of the show. I think the only thing that surprised me was the last episode. However, I don't think that makes it bad or boring or anything.

Really? You didn't see the wildfire coming?

Her doing something stupid with almost assured. It involving wildfire was possible.

Killing off every other named character in Kingslanding? Not so much.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 19 2017 17:05 GMT
#32216
On July 19 2017 16:07 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2017 14:12 MassHysteria wrote:
YOURR NOT FOOLING ANYONE WITH THAT TOPKNOT YE BALD CUNT

The Hound and Tormund are the only characters I give a fuck about at this point of the season since most of it is just fluff for now.

Ya and them both going to Eastwatch tower should produce some great scenes with both of them.

That is the great thing about this show btw. So many characters that have never even talked to each other on screen that we should get to see after years in the making.

Dany and Varys in the same situation...even though they have been in the same shots, they still haven't even talked to each other in any scenes. Varys actually served her father too so excited to see how those play out.

Side-note: Conor McGregor has gotta be a wildling right?
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
July 19 2017 17:06 GMT
#32217
On July 20 2017 01:25 KwarK wrote:
Everyone dying, Loras, silly Tyrell, Marge, Tommen, Mr. Sparrow, low budget Tywin, low budget Tywin's religious son, etc was unexpected.

Hey! I liked Kevin!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 19 2017 17:19 GMT
#32218
I think a lot of people are still looking for those shocking moments from the early parts of the series, which were amazing. But at some point the world has to stabilize and this all needs to end. I am still surprised from time to time by the show, but we have reached the point in the series were 10000 monkey on 100000 computers have been speculating about since 1996. We are also past the point in the series when the books were at their worst and most self indulgent. I am happy the creators are putting the gas on this story and skipping the logistics.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-19 17:45:36
July 19 2017 17:44 GMT
#32219
On July 20 2017 02:19 Plansix wrote:
I think a lot of people are still looking for those shocking moments from the early parts of the series, which were amazing. But at some point the world has to stabilize and this all needs to end. I am still surprised from time to time by the show, but we have reached the point in the series were 10000 monkey on 100000 computers have been speculating about since 1996. We are also past the point in the series when the books were at their worst and most self indulgent. I am happy the creators are putting the gas on this story and skipping the logistics.



FWIW I'm sure there are a few twists and turns still pending. One of Daenerys and Jon is going to die a sudden and unforeseen death, possibly betrayed by someone close. Both Dany and Jon, have gained far too many allies in far too short period of a time, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if one of them betrays him/her in a crucial moment.
Envy fan since NTH.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 19 2017 17:55 GMT
#32220
On July 20 2017 02:44 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:19 Plansix wrote:
I think a lot of people are still looking for those shocking moments from the early parts of the series, which were amazing. But at some point the world has to stabilize and this all needs to end. I am still surprised from time to time by the show, but we have reached the point in the series were 10000 monkey on 100000 computers have been speculating about since 1996. We are also past the point in the series when the books were at their worst and most self indulgent. I am happy the creators are putting the gas on this story and skipping the logistics.



FWIW I'm sure there are a few twists and turns still pending. One of Daenerys and Jon is going to die a sudden and unforeseen death, possibly betrayed by someone close. Both Dany and Jon, have gained far too many allies in far too short period of a time, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if one of them betrays him/her in a crucial moment.

I'm going to put this out there: Killing main characters is a pretty shitty twist. It is kind of lazy, especially in Game of Thrones. That style of plot twist has been beaten into the ground. Now killing some dragons or blowing up that wall(both are pretty likely), that is pretty good. Finding out more about the White Walkers, even better.

And the other point is that Game of Thrones is based on the loosely war of the roses, which ended with a lot of very young people in power. That is likely how this is going to go too. Because after war, the only people left to rule are the young.
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