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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 19 2017 21:16 GMT
#32241
The complexity was great and is still part of the show, but it needs to end. The narrative of dorne and the others could have been entire books. The story of the Dothraki crossing the sea could have been an Epic to rival the odyssey. That is what I loved, but it also threatened to crush the show under its own weight. The show(mirroring the worst parts of the books, fucking stone heart) was slowing spinning out of control. We can’t have the complex plot in Kings landing from season 1 + and equally complex political discussions with John as King of the north. There just isn’t enough show. And to be honest, the more it goes down that road, the worst it gets. Season 5 was a fucking slog until the Night King showed up and spiced up the season. If Danny spent one more season in the angry slave land preparing to sail, I would have quit just like I did with the books.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
July 19 2017 23:26 GMT
#32242
On July 20 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It's not about there being twists for the sake of twists, it's about having enough plotlines/subplots open to reasonably be able to do different things.
An example would be Arya and the faceless men. In theory you could expect them to not be ok with her just disappearing, but right now there won't be any of that in the show.
Yes the story has to end at some point, but you can end it with a complex status quo in mind. The show just simplifies every single state though which makes it highly predictable and also illogical tbh.

Some people are fine with that because they simply want an ending, others are not because the show lacks narrative depth that way.


Some "unique" review: (fanboys of the show will hate it )



Preston Jacobs is the man. He has hands down the best Asoiaf channel on youtube. Content quality went down a bit this year but his new Night's Watch videos with the ravens bs are pretty good!

In terms of conspiracy theories quality this guy shreds Alex Jones to bits. His videos really enhanced my appreciation for GRRM's work (read the got series only once a few years back) and sparked some really cool discussions with my friends who are fans of the series.

Watching his content also shows how HBO (had to) cut a bunch of loose ends in the last seasons (Dorne being a prime example; his series on the Dornish master plan is pretty dope)

The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
CatsNeverDie
Profile Joined July 2017
8 Posts
July 20 2017 17:27 GMT
#32243
I just hope they don't turn season 7 into a snooze fest until the last few episodes. So many things are going on in so many different locations across Westeros, there is so much potential.
Cats Never Die
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3979 Posts
July 20 2017 20:31 GMT
#32244
Nice episode! I really like these kind of episodes, giving us info, continuing the storyline, lots of talking. Good stuff:

- Dragonstone
- The faeces/food mashup and the ubermaester
- Jorah. But his predicament raises more questions: was he locked up, or did he voluntarily go into quarantine?
- Aegon looks like a much more colorful character now. Last season he was just a guy who suddenly turned up and was super-powerful.
- The Hound is a much more complete character. Pity they didn't show what he saw in the fire...fx budget?

Things I didn't like:

- Ed effing Sheeran. Not that he did badly, since I don't think he did. At least he didn't start singing. But the one way to instantly kill all immersion is to introduce a well-known face in the middle of a story.
- Dany on her boat. She seemed to spend the whole journey across the sea standing on deck in formation. Who does that? We know she's the leader, no need to constantly remind us by putting the rest of the characters just behind her.
- Lyanna Mormont is a badass, we know by now. Even the badass face she puts on isn't that convincing anymore.
- I liked the scene with Walder Frey. I took me a couple seconds to make the link with Arya's skill, and it picks up nicely from last season. But why did they pick cartoon-poison? Seriously, it reminded me of this:
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 20 2017 20:58 GMT
#32245
On July 20 2017 06:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I mean the specific example isn't even that important (though i would argue that it works), the point is that the show simplifies a lot of scenarios to simply cut the (possible) subplots.
Another good example would have been dorne, they simply killed off house martell and pretended that all the other houses would now for whatever reason follow ellaria and the sandsnakes.
It basically happened in every single arc tbh, it's a vast difference from earlier seasons where every arc was a lot more complex.
And yes they decided to do this so they can end the story in 13 episodes, i get that. But at the same time you also have to understand that this might disappoint people who watched GoT because of the complexity and not because of deaths, tits and dragons.


It's a shame too because things like the Dorne plotlines in the book were a good measure of adding twists and surprises later in the series in a few different ways.
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
July 20 2017 23:20 GMT
#32246
On July 20 2017 08:26 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It's not about there being twists for the sake of twists, it's about having enough plotlines/subplots open to reasonably be able to do different things.
An example would be Arya and the faceless men. In theory you could expect them to not be ok with her just disappearing, but right now there won't be any of that in the show.
Yes the story has to end at some point, but you can end it with a complex status quo in mind. The show just simplifies every single state though which makes it highly predictable and also illogical tbh.

Some people are fine with that because they simply want an ending, others are not because the show lacks narrative depth that way.


Some "unique" review: (fanboys of the show will hate it )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSj4dOTM9Q


Preston Jacobs is the man. He has hands down the best Asoiaf channel on youtube. Content quality went down a bit this year but his new Night's Watch videos with the ravens bs are pretty good!

In terms of conspiracy theories quality this guy shreds Alex Jones to bits. His videos really enhanced my appreciation for GRRM's work (read the got series only once a few years back) and sparked some really cool discussions with my friends who are fans of the series.

Watching his content also shows how HBO (had to) cut a bunch of loose ends in the last seasons (Dorne being a prime example; his series on the Dornish master plan is pretty dope)


Just watched this video, and holy shit he is on point with some of that stuff...I still enjoy the show but now I know I will look forward to these every week as well.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23263 Posts
July 20 2017 23:33 GMT
#32247
I know how I want it all to end.

I want intense drama and betrayal by/of all the main characters and very painful (for the audience) deaths save the perceived winner the Queen of Dragons. Then I want some pleb to shank her in the neck and the Dragons go wild and burn the whole world (including the white walkers [who we find out to be fighting for a good cause]) and humans live scattered and in constant fear Reign of Fire style.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
July 21 2017 11:05 GMT
#32248
I'm still pulling for littlefinger to win it all.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
July 21 2017 11:11 GMT
#32249
I don't count him out, but his influence has fallen a lot lately. He can win anything by himself, and the ones that can win something by themselves don't want him around after winning.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42861 Posts
July 21 2017 17:04 GMT
#32250
Littlefinger looks to have gained absolutely nothing from his gambit into the north.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21731 Posts
July 21 2017 17:07 GMT
#32251
On July 22 2017 02:04 KwarK wrote:
Littlefinger looks to have gained absolutely nothing from his gambit into the north.

He thought he gained an ally against the Lannisters? (not knowing Jon is 100% focused on the White Walkers)

He was safe in the vale with it being so defensible but from there he can't claim the Iron Throne and he isn't the man to settle for 'just' a Lordship.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42861 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 17:16:15
July 21 2017 17:13 GMT
#32252
My suspicion is that he wanted Sansa on top, and also didn't suspect she'd be bitter about the whole selling her to a sadistic rapist thing. The whole Jon + wildling army + White Walker invasion thing caught him off guard.

I know we're meant to think that Littlefinger is a strategic mastermind but I think that he has a pretty huge blind spot when it comes to Catelyn and now Sansa. I would absolutely believe that he thought he could do some kind of elaborate rescue of Sansa from the Boltons, win her heart, marry her for the North and come out with the Vale + North + possibly Riverlands (psycho baby Arryn is in line for Tully succession).
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 17:15:34
July 21 2017 17:14 GMT
#32253
There is also a very reasonable chance that someone figures out that he betrayed Ned Stark. There are a lot of people who were at kings landing still floating around and none of them have any love for Little finger. And I don't think Littlefinger is going to have much luck with Jon Snow. I saw in the preview that someone slams Littlefinger against a wall and I bet it is Jon.

Edit: Kwark is right that everyone is flawed in this series. Littlefinger is not exception.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 18:54:27
July 21 2017 18:54 GMT
#32254
New trailer from Comic con

+ Show Spoiler +
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
July 21 2017 19:02 GMT
#32255
Well this trailer gives good info, Euron got accepted, Daenerys is known all around, Melisandre is relevant.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 21 2017 20:42 GMT
#32256
What Kwark said is what I thought Littlefinger's game plan is. I don't remember if he is lord of Harrenhal and technically lord of the Riverlands in the show as well. I'm assuming his plan is trying to get the Vale, Riverlands and North as his base.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21731 Posts
July 21 2017 20:51 GMT
#32257
On July 22 2017 05:42 andrewlt wrote:
What Kwark said is what I thought Littlefinger's game plan is. I don't remember if he is lord of Harrenhal and technically lord of the Riverlands in the show as well. I'm assuming his plan is trying to get the Vale, Riverlands and North as his base.

He was promised Harrenhal as part of a scheme by Tyrion to expose Cercei's spy (which was Pycell). He never actually got Harrenhal.

He did assume command of the Vale tho when lady Arryn took a dive. Since he married her just before.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 21 2017 21:12 GMT
#32258
Man that trailer looked good. Thanks for posting that here or I wouldn't have known a new trailer came out.
When I think of something else, something will go here
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
July 21 2017 23:30 GMT
#32259
All big woohaa about Ed Sheeran, I had no idea who that was, frankly I still don't, because I was too lazy to google him out, but a lot of people seem upset. Well, as someone who doesn't know who he is, I couldn't point out which scene he was who, so he must have not done all that badly.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
July 22 2017 00:37 GMT
#32260
i think the general consensus is regardless of how well he did or didn't act it breaks the immersion regardless.

obviously not knowing who he is makes that a non issue, but i feel like that's not the majority experience.
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