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brian
United States9633 Posts
i don't see how we have a series finale without cersei dying. she's earned it, and frankly i don't see her way out. the only person not coming for her is Jon. the entire world otherwise is literally marching towards KL in one fashion or another god i can't wait. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On July 20 2017 03:19 brian wrote: i mean killing main characters doesn't always have to be a twist. would you really consider it a twist if tyrion rode into KL and choked out cersei? i don't think too twist worthy, or particularly lazy. i mean it's what should happen. i don't see how we have a series finale without cersei dying. she's earned it, and frankly i don't see her way out. the only person not coming for her is Jon. the entire world otherwise is literally marching towards KL in one fashion or another god i can't wait. You think it more fitting for tyrion not jaime to do the deed? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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brian
United States9633 Posts
On July 20 2017 03:24 Cricketer12 wrote: You think it more fitting for tyrion not jaime to do the deed? yea 100%, what has Cersei done to Jamie that would warrant it? closest thing i can think is that all their children died- but that isn't directly cersei's doing. while understandable, i don't think that gives Jamie any reason to kill her himself. whereas she imprisoned Tyrion for killing her son. which, of course, he didn't do. on top of her treating him like a lesser being his entire life. it's her fault tyrion is where he is in life. and where he is, is on the other side of an incoming war. it would make too much sense. On July 20 2017 03:28 Plansix wrote: When it comes to Cersei, there are a number of people that could murder her and I would be perfectly happy. Arya’s wolf is at the top of my list to deliver the death blow. In truth, everyone could get their moment to take her down a peg. It could happen in stages. so then i'm just confused why, 'especially with regards to GoT,' (paraphrase) you think killing main characters is lazy. unless you mean when done just for the sake of a twist. which i just don't think is even possible in the landscape of the series anymore. the whole world is a war zone. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 20 2017 03:41 brian wrote: yea 100%, what has Cersei done to Jamie that would warrant it? closest thing i can think is that all their children died- but that isn't directly cersei's doing. while understandable, i don't think that gives Jamie any reason to kill her himself. whereas she imprisoned Tyrion for killing her son. which, of course, he didn't do. on top of her treating him like a lesser being his entire life. it's her fault tyrion is where he is in life. and where he is, is on the other side of an incoming war. it would make too much sense. so then i'm just confused why, 'especially with regards to GoT,' (paraphrase) you think killing main characters is lazy. unless you mean when done just for the sake of a twist. which i just don't think is even possible in the landscape of the series anymore. the whole world is a war zone. Doing it for the sake of a twist. There are characters in this show that clearly need to die and some that should live. Even the shock of Ed being killed in season one has purpose. Same with the Red Wedding. At this point, killing off Danny or Jon would need a lot of build up to be justified. Or Arya. Or the Hound. They can die, but that death needs to be earned by the writers. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 20 2017 01:22 Cricketer12 wrote: Really? You didn't see the wildfire coming? I did know something would happen with Wildfire. I did not expect mace, margaery, Loris etc dying. Did you see that coming? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On July 20 2017 03:41 brian wrote: yea 100%, what has Cersei done to Jamie that would warrant it? closest thing i can think is that all their children died- but that isn't directly cersei's doing. while understandable, i don't think that gives Jamie any reason to kill her himself. whereas she imprisoned Tyrion for killing her son. which, of course, he didn't do. on top of her treating him like a lesser being his entire life. it's her fault tyrion is where he is in life. and where he is, is on the other side of an incoming war. it would make too much sense. so then i'm just confused why, 'especially with regards to GoT,' (paraphrase) you think killing main characters is lazy. unless you mean when done just for the sake of a twist. which i just don't think is even possible in the landscape of the series anymore. the whole world is a war zone. The only way I could see Jaime killing Cersei is in a copy of the previous time he killed the King(Queen). Cersei ordering Kings Landing to be blown up by wildfire as Dany breaches the Keep. But we are getting rather deep into wild speculation territory here ^^ | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Personally I'm hoping Tyrion gets to ride one of the dragons, land it gently next to Cersei, flip her off and then order the dragon to fry or eat her. But that's unlikely to actually happen.  | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2545 Posts
On July 20 2017 04:25 Thezzy wrote: Honestly I'd assume that given how pretty much everyone and everything other than Jaime completely hates and despises Cersei at this point that King's Landing would literally welcome Dany with open arms. Especially when those dragons fly overhead. The armies may not have a choice but they'll be very likely to just fall apart. I can't honestly see there being much of a battle for King's Landing given the state of everything. Naturally Cersei is going to flip and it could happen that she does something so drastic that Jaime has to end it himself. Personally I'm hoping Tyrion gets to ride one of the dragons, land it gently next to Cersei, flip her off and then order the dragon to fry or eat her. But that's unlikely to actually happen. I don't know if this would actually happen in this situation, though. As much as Cersei is probably hated for her PR stunts like blowing up the sept or slaughtering Robert's bastards, Dany is too much of an unknown for anyone to rally with. Most people would probably goan and think "here we go again" As much as Dany thinks she's this moral champion of good, she is by definition an invader. She is invading Westeros with a foreign army and seeking to slaughter anyone that opposes her. Also, keep in mind that she has an army of mercenaries and barbarians. Even if the unsullied and dothraki are loyal to her, no one will see them as a noble force. The dothraki in particular are known for pillaging indiscriminately. Not a very good rallying cry. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
The only way I could see Jaime killing Cersei is in a copy of the previous time he killed the King(Queen). Cersei ordering Kings Landing to be blown up by wildfire as Dany breaches the Keep. Honestly I'm almost expecting the show to end with this very scene but Dany & John walking into the throne room instead of Ned & Robert. The way the show has gone I agree with Thezzy, I think the most surprising thing that can/will happen over the next few episodes is seeing how Cersei cobbles together something that seems reasonable as a resistance to Dany. Though they may just magic is away with Lannister army + Euron. I mean you gotta remember on top of everything else King's Landing is broke and not exactly in good favor with the Iron Bank. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On July 20 2017 04:38 Logo wrote: Honestly I'm almost expecting the show to end with this very scene but Dany & John walking into the throne room instead of Ned & Robert. The way the show has gone I agree with Thezzy, I think the most surprising thing that can/will happen over the next few episodes is seeing how Cersei cobbles together something that seems reasonable as a resistance to Dany. Though they may just magic is away with Lannister army + Euron. I mean you gotta remember on top of everything else King's Landing is broke and not exactly in good favor with the Iron Bank. You have way too much faith in D&D if you think th IB plot will be resolved | ||
KwarK
United States43266 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On July 20 2017 04:41 Cricketer12 wrote: You have way too much faith in D&D if you think th IB plot will be resolved Well I don't expect a resolution, but I also don't expect Cersei to be able to hire up a bunch of mercs. I wonder what exactly the Dothraki expect to get out of this. Their culture is basically "show up, smash shit, take slaves, move on". Once Dany is done is she just going to put them on the next boat home? I think they follow her out of devotion. I would think they see the dragons pretty much as a religious-ish figure considering their love of all things mount related and they also have high respect for shows of strength (which dany is obviously capable of). Arguably one of the dragons could also be the Stallion who mounts the world, but I wouldn't put much stock into a Dothraki prophecy I suppose. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 20 2017 04:41 KwarK wrote: I wonder what exactly the Dothraki expect to get out of this. Their culture is basically "show up, smash shit, take slaves, move on". Once Dany is done is she just going to put them on the next boat home? Free land to settle on? There are lots of nomadic cultures that calmed down once they reached land they could farm and sustain themselves on. Obviously not all of them, but some. Considering we are going to be dealing with the White Walkers soon, that event can lead to massive cultural shifts. I don’t think anyone culture is coming out of that war the same. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
An example would be Arya and the faceless men. In theory you could expect them to not be ok with her just disappearing, but right now there won't be any of that in the show. Yes the story has to end at some point, but you can end it with a complex status quo in mind. The show just simplifies every single state though which makes it highly predictable and also illogical tbh. Some people are fine with that because they simply want an ending, others are not because the show lacks narrative depth that way. Some "unique" review: (fanboys of the show will hate it  ) | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 20 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's not about there being twists for the sake of twists, it's about having enough plotlines/subplots open to reasonably be able to do different things. An example would be Arya and the faceless men. In theory you could expect them to not be ok with her just disappearing, but right now there won't be any of that in the show. Yes the story has to end at some point, but you can end it with a complex status quo in mind. The show just simplifies every single state though which makes it highly predictable and also illogical tbh. Some people are fine with that because they simply want an ending, others are not because the show lacks narrative depth that way. Some "unique" review: (fanboys of the show will hate it )https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSj4dOTM9Q Why would the faceless men be upset that she left? We never really knew the intent when it came to her training. It isn’t like they put out a mission statement. Maybe the faceless god and men really want the queen/king dead and decided to arm her with the tools to do it? Maybe that is how they train people? The problem with a lot of the complaining about the Faceless plotline is that some folks assume they understood the faceless god. But we don’t know anymore about that god than the lord of light. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Another good example would have been dorne, they simply killed off house martell and pretended that all the other houses would now for whatever reason follow ellaria and the sandsnakes. It basically happened in every single arc tbh, it's a vast difference from earlier seasons where every arc was a lot more complex. And yes they decided to do this so they can end the story in 13 episodes, i get that. But at the same time you also have to understand that this might disappoint people who watched GoT because of the complexity and not because of deaths, tits and dragons. | ||
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