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On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.
Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't  .
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On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right. Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .
Just a hypothetical now, would you think it is "badass" and satisfying if next episode arya kills cersei similarly? (so without really showing anythign before, no buildup, just the moment of the death).
That would also be fine?
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On July 18 2017 02:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right. Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't . Just a hypothetical now, would you think it is "badass" and satisfying if next episode arya kills cersei similarly? (so without really showing anythign before, no buildup, just the moment of the death). That would also be fine?
Frey is overall a minor character in the grand scheme of things. He has appeared, what, 4-5 times over the course of 6 seasons? He was just an instrument in the hands of Lannisters to carry out their dirty deeds, so I am not sure why you would expect his death to get a better treatment from the show.
That, and the show only has another 16 hours remaining, so they need to get on with it, necessitating the removal of some of the exposition.
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The scene with the Freys was really bad, you got not inmersion at all, and was very predictable, it could have been cut and nothing would change.
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On July 18 2017 02:19 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 02:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right. Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't . Just a hypothetical now, would you think it is "badass" and satisfying if next episode arya kills cersei similarly? (so without really showing anythign before, no buildup, just the moment of the death). That would also be fine? Frey is overall a minor character in the grand scheme of things. He has appeared, what, 4-5 times over the course of 6 seasons? He was just an instrument in the hands of Lannisters to carry out their dirty deeds, so I am not sure why you would expect his death to get a better treatment from the show. That, and the show only has another 16 hours remaining, so they need to get on with it, necessitating the removal of some of the exposition.
Ok if we use that as an argument then there is no reason to show it at all/write it like that. If it doesn't really matter then why even waste time on it? If you create the scenes they need to have impact.
And yes walder frey is no cersei in importance, but he still was the man behind the red wedding (at least an important part) and getting revenge there seems to be important enough.
For me it didn't work all that well, it feels like a cheat and fanservice. Part of it because Arya doesn't seem to have any problems doing whatever now, she is easily able to the frey pie last season, now she is easily able to murder all the freys with poison. There is no real conflict here, she just succeeds by definition. That's boring and not satisfying.
Do it right or don't do it at all.
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On July 18 2017 00:59 KwarK wrote:
Also at some point Brienne should mention that she has half of Ice on her waist, it's the kind of thing that'll come in handy.
I'm not sure how Jon would react given that it's Ned's old sword, but did she ever tell anyone that she carries valyrian steel?
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On July 17 2017 21:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 21:14 FreakyDroid wrote:
I liked the episode except the last part in Dragonstone when everybody remained silent, that felt a bit odd to me. I get that they wanted to pay respect to the place and not take away from the beautiful scenery, or perhaps they are showing us a change in Danny's character: it seemed to me that she doesnt really give a fuck about making it her "home" and simply sees it as a launching pad for her conquest, which seems to be the case because after a long trip she went directly to the map and without wasting any time she just wants to get on with it. Also the castle was empty ... that was pretty weird too.
What left me puzzled the most is the precious gift that Euron intends to get Cersei. His reply to Cersei about killing his own brother was priceless since she also wants her little brother dead. Dany touching the sand, The pause at the gate and the throne. I assume those were all intended to give the idea that she certainly gives a fuck about being home. But she is a pragmatic person and that shows with the 'Shall we begin' at the end. No point sitting about being sentimental for longer then necessary.
I like watching the behind the scenes exposition at the end of the episode. It tells you what the showrunners were thinking behind some of the scenes. They did explain that they chose to make the Dany scenes silent to magnify the gravity of the situation. She touched the sand, Tyrion was quiet, everybody kept their distance from her. It was meant to be an emotional scene that signifies she's finally home.
On July 17 2017 22:41 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 22:34 FreakyDroid wrote:On July 17 2017 22:17 Reaps wrote:
Great first episode, not sure how i felt about the ed sheeran cameo though lmao. Had to google Ed Sheeran lol. So take it from someone who had no clue about the guy, it didnt feel odd to me  Can confirm.
I know who he is, I've heard his songs on the radio, I heard he had a cameo but I don't really have his face in mind. It totally slipped my mind while watching the show. I just realized it was him when I heard people on the radio talking about it the next day.
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On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right.
Felt the same way. Too obvious and just not neccasarily since we already saw her big revenge last season. Just got the impression wanted to give the viewers another "oh look how badass Arya is"-moment. Pretty cheap.
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Yes, it's the same level of storytelling as the Sand Snakes. Badassery for the sake of badassery. Like, noone in that whole castle thinks to raise an alarm, no one of the poisoned can fight for a second, they all instantly collapse. Where would she get a poison so potent? It's just plain stupid.
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On July 18 2017 02:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 02:19 Piledriver wrote:On July 18 2017 02:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right. Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't . Just a hypothetical now, would you think it is "badass" and satisfying if next episode arya kills cersei similarly? (so without really showing anythign before, no buildup, just the moment of the death). That would also be fine? Frey is overall a minor character in the grand scheme of things. He has appeared, what, 4-5 times over the course of 6 seasons? He was just an instrument in the hands of Lannisters to carry out their dirty deeds, so I am not sure why you would expect his death to get a better treatment from the show. That, and the show only has another 16 hours remaining, so they need to get on with it, necessitating the removal of some of the exposition. Ok if we use that as an argument then there is no reason to show it at all/write it like that. If it doesn't really matter then why even waste time on it? If you create the scenes they need to have impact. And yes walder frey is no cersei in importance, but he still was the man behind the red wedding (at least an important part) and getting revenge there seems to be important enough. For me it didn't work all that well, it feels like a cheat and fanservice. Part of it because Arya doesn't seem to have any problems doing whatever now, she is easily able to the frey pie last season, now she is easily able to murder all the freys with poison. There is no real conflict here, she just succeeds by definition. That's boring and not satisfying. Do it right or don't do it at all.
I agree, I'm all for greater exposition, I'm just trying to point out some counter-arguments. Part of it is that once you accept the premise that Arya is able to change her appearance at will into whoever she has killed, then the connecting rest of the dots as to how she poisoned the wine becomes fairly trivial. My concern is that if things are that easy, then she should have no problem killing whomsoever she chooses. As of now, we don't even know if her appearance changing capabilities has any well-defined rules or limits.
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On July 17 2017 23:02 goody153 wrote:3 words to bring the hype up lol what is ed sheeran doing in GoT
Apprently Maisie Williams (Arya) is a big fan of him, so they got him to appear on the show as a surprise for her. Is what I read.
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Conor McGregor is also going to appear on this season afaik.
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ugg, bringing in celebrities like that is the easiest way to break the immersion imo.
was a good episode, but I kind of agree with some others here about the freys; if you can tell how the whole segment will play out 3 seconds into seeing frey's face again it's not a good segment
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The thing that makes me worry the most for this season is the storylines at Kings landing, or the lack thereof.
Iirc last season ended with almost everony there getting killed. Maybe there are some minor characters, like Qyburn and his pet mountain, but other than that, it's Cersei and Jaime? So what are we going to see there apart from some passive-agressive lannister talk? Euron showed up and immediately left, surely it will take time to find his gift. Arya wants to go there to kill Cersei (and Jaime?), but they will need time to set it up, so how is that going to happen? Either it happens via Qyburn, or there will be several new characters, which is a thought I dont like too much.
Kings landing has always been the thing that kept the show together for me, and I dont see that being the case this season ( even though tbf this is process that started maybe two season back).
And was anyone else thinking that size of Eurons fleet wasnt really fitting with how the greyjoy realm was portrayed so far?
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On July 18 2017 06:24 Mafe wrote:
And was anyone else thinking that size of Eurons fleet wasnt really fitting with how the greyjoy realm was portrayed so far?
Yeah Eurons fleet is a miracle of shipbuilding both timewise and resource wise. 'I want every tree you can find, every man bending planks.' But he lives on a barren rock. European fleets in the middle ages took many years and complete forests to be built. But the Greyjoys don't adhere to physics anyway since they regularly show up a complete continent away between 1 episode, like freeing Theon who was in the Dreadfort, literally have to sail across the north or south pole of westeros to get there from the Iron Islands.
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On July 18 2017 06:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 06:24 Mafe wrote:
And was anyone else thinking that size of Eurons fleet wasnt really fitting with how the greyjoy realm was portrayed so far? Yeah Eurons fleet is a miracle of shipbuilding both timewise and resource wise. 'I want every tree you can find, every man bending planks. But he lives on a barren rock. European fleets in the middle ages took many years and complete forests to be built. But the Greyjoys don't adhere to physics anyway since they regularly show up a complete continent away between 1 episode, like freeing Theon who was in the Dreadfort, literally have to sail across the north or south pole of westeros to get there from the Iron Islands.
Not only is Eurons fleet hilariously big for the resources of the Iron Isles, Theon and his sister took a similar size fleet to Dany?
Just how many trees are on those barren rocks and how do they build a full size ship within a single day.
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I had no idea who Ed Sheeran was before I read this thread and I did not know he would appaer in GoT.
Since he did not stick out at all, I guess he did a fine job.
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On July 18 2017 01:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Something else, did anyone actually feel satisfied with the opening of arya murdering the freys? It was extremely obvious what would happen immediately and it being that easy to get revenge didn't create any impact on me tbh.
I already felt that way last season with walder frey though. The execution of these scenes feels off, it's not earned and that's the reason i don't care all that much about it when in reality it should be a huge deal if done right. Yes. I thought it was badass. Not surprised you didn't .
How was it badass? 2 seconds into the scene you knew exactly what would happen. If a scene can be predicted that easily it's generally not interesting.
It definitely has become less of a drama-show and more of a "let's find an easy and unrealistic way so the story can move forward and/or the good guys can win" show. That's not just related to Arya but every single character-arch has started to suffer from that ever since the writers began to write on their own (rather than copying GRRM).
There hasn't been a single story-arch where I was intrigued or surprised by the tactics, details, motives or outcome of the show since S4. Or whenever I am "surprised" it's usually because I expected a higher quality writing (such as the Arya storyline in S6 or Dorne in S6E1) and instead just couldn't believe that all of the time spent on the characters were essentially a waste of time.
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decent episode, Jon did exclusivly well
sam's scenes were weird
and I forgot, is Davos Jon's the hand?
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