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On June 15 2016 02:27 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 02:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Zombie Mountain vs Arya would fucking epic.
That rumour, is it about Arya? I don't see why. Cersei has a ton of immediate problems keeping her busy and Arya is not involved in any of them. Arya has basically no value to the world. I would guess it is something to do with the High sparrow.
High sparrow is wearing one of those red priestess necklaces. Takes it off and he's actually a super attractive red priestess girl sent to destroy the enemy faith from the inside
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We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books).
Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists" 
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On June 15 2016 02:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Zombie Mountain vs Arya would fucking epic.
That rumour, is it about Arya?
What I was hinting at was they found another stash of wildfire. That's the most likely explanation of what the Little Birds found "more... much more" of.
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It must be really hard as an author to have fanbases coming up with crazy theories all over the place, while you're still in the process of writing.
I know he's said he doesn't read fan theories, but he's obviously aware of the big ones. Not sure which would feel worse, having all your supposedly surprising twists be already worked out, or having the fan-theories just be way better than what you'd actually planned.
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I think he said that he already heard a theory that was correct by the time the third book was published. Obviously some of the details were a little off, but they had all the bullet points. I got the impression he liked the theories that became notorious enough to be brought to his attention.
GRRM is a grumpy old man, but he also likes that people love his books. He just doesn’t want people to know that or ever admit it out loud during an interview. But I am sure he reads a few more theories than he lets on.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On June 15 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books). Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists"
Mmm, but Jon has black hair.
Wouldn't it be more plausible that he's the son of Rob Baratheon and Ned's sister?
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On June 15 2016 03:54 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books). Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists" Mmm, but Jon has black hair. Wouldn't it be more plausible that he's the son of Rob Baratheon and Ned's sister?
Except although they were meant to be married she was abducted by Rhaegar (thus triggering Robert's Rebellion) and died at the end of the war. The timeline doesn't add up. Regarding hair colour, it's not as simple as "blondes always have blondes" or whatever, that's why Jon Arryn and Ned Stark had to go through hundreds of years of genealogy to find a pattern. But for what it's worth the Baratheons themselves had a lot of Targaryen blood and they didn't look like Viserys.
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I though Lyanna Stark had black hair anyways.
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On June 15 2016 04:03 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 03:54 Souma wrote:On June 15 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books). Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists" Mmm, but Jon has black hair. Wouldn't it be more plausible that he's the son of Rob Baratheon and Ned's sister? Except although they were meant to be married she was abducted by Rhaegar (thus triggering Robert's Rebellion) and died at the end of the war. The timeline doesn't add up. Regarding hair colour, it's not as simple as "blondes always have blondes" or whatever, that's why Jon Arryn and Ned Stark had to go through hundreds of years of genealogy to find a pattern. But for what it's worth the Baratheons themselves had a lot of Targaryen blood and they didn't look like Viserys.
i think i was banned like two times exactly for that kind of a post
about ep, hound slasher was funny, dany came back in a weird fasion. WTF was that with Blackfish??? U can't just show him exactly that superb earlier and dropping him without any final moments of fightings at least?
ye im gonna shit on this episode also, apart from Hound/Cersei there was nothing interesting, Essos part was 50/50, the rest was horrible
probably one of the worst episode in entire tv show, someone mentioned Dorne and that's also interesting :/
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On June 15 2016 08:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 04:03 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2016 03:54 Souma wrote:On June 15 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books). Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists" Mmm, but Jon has black hair. Wouldn't it be more plausible that he's the son of Rob Baratheon and Ned's sister? Except although they were meant to be married she was abducted by Rhaegar (thus triggering Robert's Rebellion) and died at the end of the war. The timeline doesn't add up. Regarding hair colour, it's not as simple as "blondes always have blondes" or whatever, that's why Jon Arryn and Ned Stark had to go through hundreds of years of genealogy to find a pattern. But for what it's worth the Baratheons themselves had a lot of Targaryen blood and they didn't look like Viserys. i think i was banned like two times exactly for that kind of a post about ep, hound slasher was funny, dany came back in a weird fasion. WTF was that with Blackfish??? U can't just show him exactly that superb earlier and dropping him without any final moments of fightings at least? ye im gonna shit on this episode also, apart from Hound/Cersei there was nothing interesting, Essos part was 50/50, the rest was horrible probably one of the worst episode in entire tv show, someone mentioned Dorne and that's also interesting :/
Jamie scenes were all pretty good I thought.
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Hound/jamie scenes were all amazing.
Mountain and cersei/tommen scenes were really relevant and quite interesting.
Blackfishs random "meh whatevs, ill go suicide offscreen" death was kinda stupid.
Arya... oh my... really for me its not even about the chase scene. We dont have a timeframe, its been longer then a day def (her grabbing a new bottle of poppy milk) and adrenaline/drugs can do stuff to you. Not the most realistic but whatever.
But the fucking stupid totally off behavior in the previous episode just makes no sense at all. Arya might still be a young girl and yeah shes embracing what she is again but she isnt that fucking stupid.
Her retarded strolling around ,lack of care and basicly running into the waifs knife destroy all the progress her entire arc was about and just shows her like a little stupid girl again.
First time in the show that im just terribly disappointed and actually think i couldve written her scenes in ep7 better in 5 minutes .
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Plot twist: it's the waif who killed Arya in the dark and then put her face on :p
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On June 15 2016 13:01 kwizach wrote:
Plot twist: it's the waif who killed Arya in the dark and then put her face on :p
I actually thought this when trying to make sense of the end. It means the "I am Arya Stark" and the "now a girl is no one" lines make a lot more sense in my opinion.
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On June 15 2016 09:50 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 08:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 15 2016 04:03 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2016 03:54 Souma wrote:On June 15 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:We talked with my wife about GoT and she is now a firm believer of the "Jon is a Targeryan" theory (although neither of us read any books). Assuming that it's the intended ending, I think when GRRM gets annoyed enough with the fans asking about his imminent death, he should just scrap this idea and go with something else, just to piss all those "theorists" Mmm, but Jon has black hair. Wouldn't it be more plausible that he's the son of Rob Baratheon and Ned's sister? Except although they were meant to be married she was abducted by Rhaegar (thus triggering Robert's Rebellion) and died at the end of the war. The timeline doesn't add up. Regarding hair colour, it's not as simple as "blondes always have blondes" or whatever, that's why Jon Arryn and Ned Stark had to go through hundreds of years of genealogy to find a pattern. But for what it's worth the Baratheons themselves had a lot of Targaryen blood and they didn't look like Viserys. i think i was banned like two times exactly for that kind of a post about ep, hound slasher was funny, dany came back in a weird fasion. WTF was that with Blackfish??? U can't just show him exactly that superb earlier and dropping him without any final moments of fightings at least? ye im gonna shit on this episode also, apart from Hound/Cersei there was nothing interesting, Essos part was 50/50, the rest was horrible probably one of the worst episode in entire tv show, someone mentioned Dorne and that's also interesting :/ Jamie scenes were all pretty good I thought.
I really like the journey his character took through that episode.
It's like his entire character is all about wanting to do the right thing, but no matter what he does he always ends up having to be the villain in order to get anywhere. He gets confronted about that by Edmund, and has all the shit he's done laid into him like it hasn't really been before. Then he just wants to face the blackfish man to man, only for the blackfish to have too much pride/honour to be taken prisoner and dies fighting, which is yet another slap in the face to Jamie because that's exactly the kind of man Jamie wants to be, someone who places his honour/loyalty above himself, but he also knows that in that situation he would have surrendered to stay alive.
Then there's the fact that probably the most "honourable" person in the entire series, Brienne, who's every single action has been motivated by being exactly the kind of knight Jamie wishes he was, is also the only person who actually respects/treats Jamie as an equal.
Also highlighted Jamie's internal struggle of who he really cares about. The second Brienne is in the castle he does whatever he possibly can to end it without resorting to violence, because he knows he'd have to kill her. Completely abandoning any sense of justice and taking potentially a big risk by releasing Edmund, all the while repeatedly justifying it by claiming it's all for Cersei. Despite the fact that until Brienne was there, he was perfectly happy to just wait them out.
Kinda miffed that the Blackfish died off camera though, it's rather disappointing when plotlines come to an end with the final act happening off screen -.-
The Jamie/Edmund seen was really good, two great actors playing off each other, and the shifting in tone and power-dynamic over the course of the conversation was really well done.
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Some seem to think that Qyburn's rumor is the existence of wildfire. But isn't that common knowledge ever since Tyrion used it against Stannis to great effect? Or was it assumed that it was all used up in the battle, and the news is that there's actually some left?
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On June 15 2016 16:57 Scorch wrote:
Some seem to think that Qyburn's rumor is the existence of wildfire. But isn't that common knowledge ever since Tyrion used it against Stannis to great effect? Or was it assumed that it was all used up in the battle, and the news is that there's actually some left?
When Jaime and Brienne take a bath in S3, Jaime tells her about caches of wildfire hidden all throughout the city, including under the sept of Baelor.
It's possible that he told Cersei this, and Cersei had Qyburn confirm whether they are still there.
I think the stash of the alchemists from S2 is common knowledge, but not the hidden caches?
On June 15 2016 02:39 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 02:27 Gorsameth wrote:On June 15 2016 02:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Zombie Mountain vs Arya would fucking epic.
That rumour, is it about Arya? I don't see why. Cersei has a ton of immediate problems keeping her busy and Arya is not involved in any of them. Arya has basically no value to the world. I would guess it is something to do with the High sparrow. High sparrow is wearing one of those red priestess necklaces. Takes it off and he's actually a super attractive red priestess girl sent to destroy the enemy faith from the inside
On that note, in Season 3 Melisandre takes a bath WITHOUT necklace and does not turn into an old woman, so it's not just the necklace. Or D&D slipped up.
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It's pure speculation based on the Bran's vision and Jamie's stories from back in the day of the Mad King: That the wildfire bombs the Mad King stored in strategic locations underneath the city are still there, ready to burn the city to the ground.
So, a different, much older stash than the one Tyrion had had made for the battle. But again, pure speculation.
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i don't think its really stupid that she was looking at a statue for a moment and felt reasonably comfortable that she'd escaped since she was in the middle of nowhere on a bridge thing
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On June 15 2016 17:41 FFGenerations wrote:i don't think its really stupid that she was looking at a statue for a moment and felt reasonably comfortable that she'd escaped since she was in the middle of nowhere on a bridge thing
It is real horrible writing, because at the end of the last episode she recovered her sword and hid in the catacomb room with a real sense of danger! And if you are actually the director of both episodes, there is no excuse for that kind of 180 degree change in character.
Couple that with the constant switching in her health status (has problems standing up, but can jump from second floor and land like parkour sport?) and you show clear signs of incompetence.
At least rescue the whole farce and reveal that it was all acting and she just wanted to lay a trap for her assassin and it got out of her hand or something.
But no, on the exact same episode they wanted to make clear she finally changed her motivation and is going to return to Westeros with a purpose, they let her say she wants to "travel the world" like maybe explore a whole new continent. It baffling how professional writers can think that was a good idea...
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