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On June 15 2016 18:29 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 17:41 FFGenerations wrote:i don't think its really stupid that she was looking at a statue for a moment and felt reasonably comfortable that she'd escaped since she was in the middle of nowhere on a bridge thing It is real horrible writing, because at the end of the last episode she recovered her sword and hid in the catacomb room with a real sense of danger! And if you are actually the director of both episodes, there is no excuse for that kind of 180 degree change in character.
Episode 6, where she hid in the catacomb and recovers her sword etc, is directed by Jack Bender.
Episode 7 is directed by Mark Mylod.
e: the director for episodes 9 & 10 is the one who did Hardhome!
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In the posted article it says he was directing both episodes (maybe they divide directing by story arc?).
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He directed 7 & 8 (the stabbing + the aftermath), but not 6 where the hiding happens. I agree with all of your other criticism btw, but the 180 degree chance between 6 & 7 is perhaps not his fault.
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Last scene with Brienne she is paddling up a river. Last scene with the hound he was pissing in a river. RM?
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Last scene with Gendry also paddling
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Of course it's subjective but this isn't just a case of not enjoying the direction of the character. Whether it got lost in production or in script editing, her arc lost any shred of believability after the parkour run into trap. She should be dead. She also got that candle lit incredibly quickly. In my opinion the writing was awful by GoT standards, but there's no point arguing about it.
On June 16 2016 13:13 Nesserev wrote:
In fact, the writing was probably close to spot on.
Not a fact. I watched the Warcraft movie and cringed less. GoT has set a standard and noticeably fell way below it. My suspension of disbelief takes a lot to break so I can't fathom how you can call this 'spot on' writing.
On June 16 2016 13:13 Nesserev wrote:
but if there's something that you don't like, it doesn't automatically mean that it was written badly or directed by incompetent fools... you just didn't enjoy it.
Of course it doesn't automatically mean it was badly written. I've abhorred films where I would argue the writing was good. However, in this case the lack of enjoyment stems from massive logical inconsistencies, Arya breaking character and probably most importantly, time restraints placed on production and writing staff by the show.
Edit: oh it was so bad I even forgot the horseshit justification for the actress's fortuitous healing skills. She used to get stabby with her ex-husbands and got plenty of practice sewing them back up. Did anyone else buy this?
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Aside from the unrealistic chase scene the problem is: What was the whole point of the entire Braavos arc, if she just goes back now? If it was simply to show that she is a trained assassine now the entire arc could have been done in one training montage instead of 2 seasons.
I really hope she doesn't must pack Needle and sails back to Westeros just like that and that they salvage something from Braavos / the Faceless otherwise that whole segment was just useless.
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Training montages are for jackie chan movies  Arya once wanted to get in the Faceless club, but upon finding out she needed to forget about her identity and old motivations, she finally decides that revenge and stark pride are more important to her.
She is better at fighting now, but she doesn't have the "op" face change thing that would trivialize her revenge mission. Seems fair enough to me. Some parts are just absurd (terminator chase) and took a long time, but slow should be Martin's second name and the whole thing doesn't look useless to me.
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On June 16 2016 18:43 Salteador Neo wrote:Training montages are for jackie chan movies Arya once wanted to get in the Faceless club, but upon finding out she needed to forget about her identity and old motivations, she finally decides that revenge and stark pride are more important to her. But that is exactly what did not happen or more precisely what they did not bring across at all!
She went on the boat because it was the only thing she could think of running away. They spent seasons were the viewer was never sure if she really wanted to join or just playing along (or just bad acting). Then there is this life-or-death test whether she can really denounce her identity and for some reason she takes that crazy risk and passes. Only to immediately go back doubting everything and clearly not giving up on her individualism. (Hell, King Tommen had more of a character change in 2 episodes than she had in 2 seasons.) This is were the writing falls apart. Either the authors wanted to tell the arc like you described, then they should not have contradicted their own story so often. Or they actually wanted to tell a different story. But then they obviously failed to get that across to viewers like you and me.
Also, she got training in assassination, but proofs right at the end that she still makes the dumbest amateur mistakes, so the whole training was apparently wasted. Or, and that is sadly the real reason given by the director, they wanted to "show that she is still a little girl, that can make mistakes" and did not realize they tore down the whole story arc in the process.
On June 16 2016 13:13 Nesserev wrote:
The main problem of Arya's storyline in Braavos wasn't bad script writing, but a course of actions that some viewers, including you, just didn't like. She didn't act the way you wanted her to act, so now you're pissed off. It's understandable, you're human, just like Arya. Since you became awfully personal in your post, I'll be direct with you: You do not know what you are talking about!
Just because you can not identify bad writing, does not mean others can't or that it is not there. It just means you are shit at recognizing bad writing.
Sure, writing is an art, but like all art, there is a craftsmanship element to it. Unexplained contradictions in characters and actions are bad writing, period. There are courses for writing and authors get better over time for a reason. Not everything is purely subjective, not everything is only relative.
Btw. I never rated GoT very high. It was a 7 out of 10 for me from the beginning. I never "identified" with Arya or anything like that. My ability to evaluate story and dialog has nothing to do with any of that anyway.
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Am I the only one who thinks that that life-or-death test wasn't magic and Jacquen simply gave her something non-poisonous? Placebo effect
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I see quite a bit of character development in Arya. In the earlier seasons, everyone she cares about gets murdered/tortured (king's road, KL, the road north, Harrenhal, the red wedding, the vale, the hound). So she's like "fuck this" and wants to become an assassin.
This season, she's realised she doesn't want to be an assassin after all, mainly because of the play I guess, idk what brought around the change. She's Arya Stark again, not a faceless (wo)man.
More character development than lots of other characters in this show imo. Sure, she's back to her starting point now, but that does not mean there was no development!
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On June 16 2016 20:31 Laurens wrote:
I see quite a bit of character development in Arya. In the earlier seasons, everyone she cares about gets murdered/tortured (king's road, KL, the road north, Harrenhal, the red wedding, the vale, the hound). So she's like "fuck this" and wants to become an assassin.
This season, she's realised she doesn't want to be an assassin after all, mainly because of the play I guess, idk what brought around the change. She's Arya Stark again, not a faceless (wo)man.
More character development than lots of other characters in this show imo. Sure, she's back to her starting point now, but that does not mean there was no development!
Agreed! I remember I thought it was pretty cheesy with the whole "being beaten time and time again while blind" stuff. And then she suddently was accepted.
But since then that has turned out to just be a small part of her character development. For me it is now believable that she is pretty bad ass. She was accepted to training by the best assasins in the GoT universe. She even beat that and now she left for her own, with a whole lot of crazy "character hardening" as she has survived just about anything.
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Agreed they could have totally made Arya's arc better, more consistent and more organic while arriving at presumably the same place GRRM wants her to go with better writing.
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Finally something happens in Dany's storyline.
Asking an Ironborn to stop raping, reaving and pillaging is like asking Tyrion to stop making cock jokes.
Rickon's definitely dead.
Jon has a magnetic field against arrows. I don't think charging into a volley of arrows is the strategy.
Cheesiest mountain of bodies ever. LOOK TO THE LIGHT ON THE THIRD DAY. Rohan I mean the Vale saves the day.
Wun Wun the real MVP
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In before Rohan comes to the rescue.
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Prediction: Rickon will die.
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On June 20 2016 10:20 Hider wrote:
In before Rohan comes to the rescue.
There is a 2000% chance a group of people on horses turns the tide of that battle.
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Most satisfying beat down ever.
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