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On May 19 2016 11:17 aseq wrote:
Haha guys, relax, if you wanted to you could point out all kinds of stuff. Isn't it strange (but convenient) that her clothes do burn off her, but her hair stays intact?
Well I certainly hope it's not only her skin which is fireproof, or else she'd die anyway because of breathing fire + burnt lungs/other cavities. So it makes sense (no scientifical sense, but logical GoT sense) that her hair doesn't burn.
On May 19 2016 08:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 07:58 giftdgecko wrote:On May 19 2016 07:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 19 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:
People forget emotions are not rational actors. That people can be brave and cowards.
Also that shooting scenes with fire is hard and dangerous. There is a limited amount that they can do to show the actors being directly impacted by the fire and keep the production costs within reason. Especially with the limited protection the costumes provide.
Its like the dogs from two episodes ago. The real answer to why they didn't fight is because fights scene with animals are hard and you need a CGI dog or shitty prop for the actor to fight with. The best answer is the dogs don't fight. It's not a problem that the characters don't react rational and logical in every situation. I don't think anybody has a problem with that, especially when the characters aren't portrayed that way beforehand. It has to be somewhat consistent. The problem with Dany's scene is that her plan is a bad one but if works flawlessly regardless. The scene itself also isn't very well done, you would expect more struggle to make it actually work, to make it feel earned. As a customer i don't have to care WHY something isn't good, the end result is all that matters. Which is why explanations are maybe interesting, it doesn't change how i rate the content though. I don't really understand why it's a bad plan... Kill the guards, block the doors, coat the wood and straw building in something flammable, drunk khals (who don't seem to be on Drogo's level) come in and you push fire at them. The place went up in like 30 seconds. My first thought would hopefully be gtfo; not kill the crazy bitch listing her accomplishments and why she's better than you, who's standing in fire... I mean, they come at her angry, she only has to survive a few seconds before the flames become way too much to be near, let alone in. This really isn't a fight or flight situation, these guys can't fight fire. There are a lot of things that could go wrong there imo. At least from our pov because the show doesn't try to make it more believable. First she completely trusts the dothraki woman for no good reason, she then simply assumes that she will actually have enough control to pursue her plan. One big thing is also her simply assuming(?!) that she is fire proof, i don't think this should be clear to her in the slightest tbh. (maybe i am missing something though) At the end of the day i am probably more angry about how the scene was done though, it was too easy, not enough struggle, it simply worked without any sense of accomplishment because it was portrayed that straight forward. But yeah i don't think her plan is that good to begin with. Sure it worked but at the time she explains it to Daario and Jorah it is kinda out there, don't you think?
Well once she decides to burn stuff instead of fleeing she's kinda forced to trust the dothraki woman, because the only other solution would have been to kill her and that would have been slightly suspicious. And yes it's a crazy plan all-around, but I think she's been portrayed as an almost-mad, overconfident and overambitious person for quite some time now.
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I wonder how come the other khals don't know she is fireproof. I thought it was pretty obvious after the first season scene with the dragons, wasn't it? Even if most of her original khalasar is missing/dead, one would think people would talk about this miracle-ish stuff. Specially considering she also has the only 3 dragons in the world, so she should be a hot topic between the commoners (pun intended  ).
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Maybe they did know she's fireproof, but what does that change? Certainly they didn't consider the possibility of her accomplices having prepared the floor with oil, killed the guards and barred the door, and the harmless little woman lighting the building on fire. I surely wouldn't think of that. If i saw an unarmed woman in front of a group of skilled warriors in a perfectly normal building with perfectly normal braziers for lighting, I'd think the situation was under control.
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On May 19 2016 20:11 Salteador Neo wrote:I wonder how come the other khals don't know she is fireproof. I thought it was pretty obvious after the first season scene with the dragons, wasn't it? Even if most of her original khalasar is missing/dead, one would think people would talk about this miracle-ish stuff. Specially considering she also has the only 3 dragons in the world, so she should be a hot topic between the commoners (pun intended ).
The details of birth of dragons was only witnessed by a small group that was left with her. Before they crossed the desert a lot of them died. So what was left told the story to others and those told to others and so on. On each telling these stories change a bit. By the time it reached other Khalasars there were probably 10 different versions. They would probably dismiss them all as tall tales by weak men and women.
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On May 19 2016 21:33 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 20:11 Salteador Neo wrote:I wonder how come the other khals don't know she is fireproof. I thought it was pretty obvious after the first season scene with the dragons, wasn't it? Even if most of her original khalasar is missing/dead, one would think people would talk about this miracle-ish stuff. Specially considering she also has the only 3 dragons in the world, so she should be a hot topic between the commoners (pun intended ). The details of birth of dragons was only witnessed by a small group that was left with her. Before they crossed the desert a lot of them died. So what was left told the story to others and those told to others and so on. On each telling these stories change a bit. By the time it reached other Khalasars there were probably 10 different versions. They would probably dismiss them all as tall tales by weak men and women.
I am sure there are plenty of people in the southern parts of Westerose that do not believe The Wall exists or think it is a tiny little wall keeping out bandits. Believing a woman is immune to fire is a big leap for a bunch of guys who built their identity around being the toughest men around and superior to women. Though when she puts her hands on the brazier, you can see a couple of them get real concerned.
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On May 19 2016 18:21 icystorage wrote:
How would Sansa know Rickon was captured?
Littlefinger could also have influenced the capture of Rickon and then sent the letter to Jon. Littlefinger (with vale army) could swoop down after Jon vs Ramsay.
The letter is most likely from ramsey despite its inconsistencies as the writing has degraded. However it could also be from stannis smalljon or LF or a mixture of two of them.
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Brienne is too pure to lie, Stannis the Mannis is dead. Burn in hell, man
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I dont buy stannis being dead just yet. It is simply too suspicious how they did not show his death on screen (has any major death happened off screen before? I'm pretty sure they have all been shown completely in all their morbid glory). I dont really have any theory about why they would keep stannis alive (he has lost all his men, his family, davos and the priestess), but I don't trust it.
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On May 20 2016 02:59 solidbebe wrote:
I dont buy stannis being dead just yet. It is simply too suspicious how they did not show his death on screen (has any major death happened off screen before? I'm pretty sure they have all been shown completely in all their morbid glory). I dont really have any theory about why they would keep stannis alive (he has lost all his men, his family, davos and the priestess), but I don't trust it.
I'm sure Stannis, Syrio Forel and the Hound went waterskiing with Gendry's boat.
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On May 20 2016 03:11 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 02:59 solidbebe wrote:
I dont buy stannis being dead just yet. It is simply too suspicious how they did not show his death on screen (has any major death happened off screen before? I'm pretty sure they have all been shown completely in all their morbid glory). I dont really have any theory about why they would keep stannis alive (he has lost all his men, his family, davos and the priestess), but I don't trust it. I'm sure Stannis, Syrio Forel and the Hound went waterskiing with Gendry's boat.
Row row row your boat, gently down the narrow sea...
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On May 19 2016 22:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 21:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 19 2016 20:11 Salteador Neo wrote:I wonder how come the other khals don't know she is fireproof. I thought it was pretty obvious after the first season scene with the dragons, wasn't it? Even if most of her original khalasar is missing/dead, one would think people would talk about this miracle-ish stuff. Specially considering she also has the only 3 dragons in the world, so she should be a hot topic between the commoners (pun intended ). The details of birth of dragons was only witnessed by a small group that was left with her. Before they crossed the desert a lot of them died. So what was left told the story to others and those told to others and so on. On each telling these stories change a bit. By the time it reached other Khalasars there were probably 10 different versions. They would probably dismiss them all as tall tales by weak men and women. I am sure there are plenty of people in the southern parts of Westerose that do not believe The Wall exists or think it is a tiny little wall keeping out bandits. Believing a woman is immune to fire is a big leap for a bunch of guys who built their identity around being the toughest men around and superior to women. Though when she puts her hands on the brazier, you can see a couple of them get real concerned.
Oh definitely, we see how skeptical the people in King's Landing are when they ask for help agains the return of the White Walkers.
Also regarding Dany's hair, after hearing the explanation for why Superman's suit is indestructible (his body emits a tiny, tiny invincibility field around him), I don't even bat an eye at this stuff anymore.
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On May 20 2016 03:21 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 22:08 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2016 21:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 19 2016 20:11 Salteador Neo wrote:I wonder how come the other khals don't know she is fireproof. I thought it was pretty obvious after the first season scene with the dragons, wasn't it? Even if most of her original khalasar is missing/dead, one would think people would talk about this miracle-ish stuff. Specially considering she also has the only 3 dragons in the world, so she should be a hot topic between the commoners (pun intended ). The details of birth of dragons was only witnessed by a small group that was left with her. Before they crossed the desert a lot of them died. So what was left told the story to others and those told to others and so on. On each telling these stories change a bit. By the time it reached other Khalasars there were probably 10 different versions. They would probably dismiss them all as tall tales by weak men and women. I am sure there are plenty of people in the southern parts of Westerose that do not believe The Wall exists or think it is a tiny little wall keeping out bandits. Believing a woman is immune to fire is a big leap for a bunch of guys who built their identity around being the toughest men around and superior to women. Though when she puts her hands on the brazier, you can see a couple of them get real concerned. Oh definitely, we see how skeptical the people in King's Landing are when they ask for help agains the return of the White Walkers. Also regarding Dany's hair, after hearing the explanation for why Superman's suit is indestructible (his body emits a tiny, tiny invincibility field around him), I don't even bat an eye at this stuff anymore.
Superman is designed to be a giant middle finger. I would be very dissapointed if a show of this quality did something similar.
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Have no doubt that had the discussion, but decided to have her hair be resistant for both production and cinematography reasons. She is far more striking as a character with her white blonde hair and they didn’t want to lose that for the entire season.
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Have you guys never seen an oil lamp before?
If those pillars were oil lamps, which is well within the technological capabilities of the dothraki, then knocking it over spills it's entire reservoir of oil all over the floor. And the buildings are largely made of wood and thatch, with a nice liberal coating of random bits of hay here and there.
I've seen large "fireproof" tents go up in flames in seconds from relatively small oil things getting knocked over, it's easily believable that 6+ large oil lamps going down would set the place alight. + they're basically in a desert so all the wood would be super super dry, and it still took like 20-30 seconds for the place to properly catch fire, hence why they locked the doors and shit.
Sorry if someone else mentioned this already, but i got bored after 3 pages of people inanely complaining about perfectly logical things and couldn't bear another 6 to catch up to the thread :p
The rest of the dothraki's immediate bowing was a bit lulzy, but the burning itself was fine
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On May 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:
Have no doubt that had the discussion, but decided to have her hair be resistant for both production and cinematography reasons. She is far more striking as a character with her white blonde hair and they didn’t want to lose that for the entire season.
Haha guys, I mentioned the hair thing to show that there are plenty of things that are not interesting enough to discuss, and are fine even though they may not be ultra-realistic. Next thing you know, everyone in here starts to discuss it
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On May 20 2016 07:37 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:
Have no doubt that had the discussion, but decided to have her hair be resistant for both production and cinematography reasons. She is far more striking as a character with her white blonde hair and they didn’t want to lose that for the entire season. Haha guys, I mentioned the hair thing to show that there are plenty of things that are not interesting enough to discuss, and are fine even though they may not be ultra-realistic. Next thing you know, everyone in here starts to discuss it
Well, a week is a long, long time to wait for a new episode =p.
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The direction the story is going is fine for me tbh but the dialog feels extremely weak even for a larger public it would seem way too 'common tongue / modern tongue' imo. They need GGRM... personally as an actor/actress I would sneak more depth while acting the dialog, it would give the show much more longivety. As if Game of Thrones doesn't have enough fans already, backing it up with proper dialog would boost the show much more. Instead they go for couple of more viewership here and there with crap ass writing. If I were them I would take much more of what is already written by GRRM aswell. That dude might just end up dying before he finishes.
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What I didnt like about Dany scenes were three things, the CGI (horrible), Dany acting, and everybody bowing after that, all the the other things are pretty easy to explain with GoT logic.
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On May 20 2016 07:37 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:
Have no doubt that had the discussion, but decided to have her hair be resistant for both production and cinematography reasons. She is far more striking as a character with her white blonde hair and they didn’t want to lose that for the entire season. Haha guys, I mentioned the hair thing to show that there are plenty of things that are not interesting enough to discuss, and are fine even though they may not be ultra-realistic. Next thing you know, everyone in here starts to discuss it
I always enjoy the after math of a GoT episode, experts in sword fighting and the physics behind fire and come to the thread to spread their knowledge. If you go to Imgur.com and look at any gif of a martial arts demonstration, you find a lot of MMA experts in the comments. Its really awesome they come out just to educate people. Its the same thing here, a public service.
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On May 20 2016 09:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 07:37 aseq wrote:On May 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:
Have no doubt that had the discussion, but decided to have her hair be resistant for both production and cinematography reasons. She is far more striking as a character with her white blonde hair and they didn’t want to lose that for the entire season. Haha guys, I mentioned the hair thing to show that there are plenty of things that are not interesting enough to discuss, and are fine even though they may not be ultra-realistic. Next thing you know, everyone in here starts to discuss it I always enjoy the after math of a GoT episode, experts in sword fighting and the physics behind fire and come to the thread to spread their knowledge. If you go to Imgur.com and look at any gif of a martial arts demonstration, you find a lot of MMA experts in the comments. Its really awesome they come out just to educate people. Its the same thing here, a public service.
As a not-just-video-games sword guy, I do appreciate all the help from everybody's expert opinion.
In my opinion, GoT has a great fight choreographer. For a fun experience, watch all Brienne's duels: Loras, Jaime, and the Hound. Watch her fighting style adapt each time to match her opponent's. It's very cleverly done.
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