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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 18 2016 20:11 crappen wrote: Well I loved his speech, he had some really good points you can relate to, not just some religious down your throat kind of bullshit. Same, I thought it was his most compelling one to date. I liked the idea of wearing months/years of someone's life. | ||
zatic
Zurich15313 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7811 Posts
I don't see much good coming for Ramsay. We kind of know that Jon has a pot armour and that it's not going to just end badly for him; otherwise he wouldn't have been resurrected. And I don't see how both him and Ramsay can survive the season. I think there will be not one, but two losers out of the three parties in the King's Landing plot. I can imagine a betrayal from the Tyrell, or the Sparrows crushing both houses. I also wonder if Lancel will not end up being some kind of new super villain if the HS gets killed (and I think he will). Just an intuition. I don't see what people complain about in the last scene. Obviously, oil or some flamable had been set on the floor by J&D, and nobody in the situation of the Kals would rush in the middle of an inferno to kill someone with his bare hands in that situation. They probably simply couldn't even approach her, considering she is in the middle of the flames. And none of them has any weapon. As for the Dothrakis following her, well, I guess she made kind of an impression and comes up from the whole thing as some kind of goddess. They always seemed like superstitious and ignorant people in the first place. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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haitike
Spain2704 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 19 2016 00:22 Scarecrow wrote: My money's on Jamie and Cersei scheming to have the Tyrell army wipe out the sparrows and in turn be trapped in a bloodbath with the city's fanatical populace which will have been roused and armed by Lannister gold. Meanwhile the Lannister army waits outside the walls for both sides to bleed out before sweeping in to restore order. no point having Tommen and Margery both alive and loving each other | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6518 Posts
On May 17 2016 20:57 Vandrad wrote: How do you fight fire? Would strangling Dany suddenly stop all the flames? They did the logical thing: they ran for their lives. And all the dothraki worshiping Dany? How would you react if a single woman just single-handedly killed all your powerful leaders and stepped out of a burning building unharmed? And keep in mind the dothraki are very much about worshipping and following power unlike the free folk for instance. Okay and after you realize the doors are locked and you're fucked. Why didn't these born warriors who fight all the time, love to rape and pillage decide to just die quietly? As for the Dothraki kneeling, I agree that is their natural reaction to me. She was already a leader to some of them before, she showed her strength I can see them joining her after those events. I just disagree with the supposed toughest of the toughest Dothraki dying like bitches. Once they realized they weren't getting out Dany would have been killed. Warrior cultures like that, getting the chance to at least take your killer with you wouldn't even be a question. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On May 19 2016 01:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Okay and after you realize the doors are locked and you're fucked. Why didn't these born warriors who fight all the time, love to rape and pillage decide to just die quietly? As for the Dothraki kneeling, I agree that is their natural reaction to me. She was already a leader to some of them before, she showed her strength I can see them joining her after those events. I just disagree with the supposed toughest of the toughest Dothraki dying like bitches. Once they realized they weren't getting out Dany would have been killed. Warrior cultures like that, getting the chance to at least take your killer with you wouldn't even be a question. I dunno, the entire thing reminded me of old Viking epics where someone would burn down the enemy's hut while they slept. You blocked the doors to keep them from getting out and I don't remember reading any where the guys inside managed to fight it out, rather they all died in a panic. Seems realistic to me. | ||
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kju
6143 Posts
On May 19 2016 01:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Okay and after you realize the doors are locked and you're fucked. Why didn't these born warriors who fight all the time, love to rape and pillage decide to just die quietly? As for the Dothraki kneeling, I agree that is their natural reaction to me. She was already a leader to some of them before, she showed her strength I can see them joining her after those events. I just disagree with the supposed toughest of the toughest Dothraki dying like bitches. Once they realized they weren't getting out Dany would have been killed. Warrior cultures like that, getting the chance to at least take your killer with you wouldn't even be a question. you wouldn't try your hardest to get out of there until your last breath? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13960 Posts
On May 18 2016 20:03 plasma4 wrote: it would't matter much whether theon lives or dies now the shows is probably preparing for his dramatic death. Pretty much. Theon was important for two reasons. He is heir to Balon and he knew bran and rickon were alive. He has now given up the stark truth to both leaders of basterdbowl and his claim to the iron islands. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On May 19 2016 03:21 kju wrote: you wouldn't try your hardest to get out of there until your last breath? I think the strongest argument is that they would have tried to kill her. Dothraki seem like the type that would realize they are going to die and just want to make sure to take someone with them. That group of Khals did seem pretty soft though. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6518 Posts
On May 19 2016 03:21 kju wrote: you wouldn't try your hardest to get out of there until your last breath? I would try my hardest to get out, but it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly in a situation like that, escape isn't possible. What is the next best thing? Killing the person who started it of course. To the person talking about the Viking scenario, that is completely different situation. The person starting the fire isn't in there with you to fight, and waking up from a deep sleep to fires being everywhere is vastly different from watching as the fire starts with all of your senses alert already and being able to react instantly to the situation. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On May 19 2016 04:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I would try my hardest to get out, but it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly in a situation like that, escape isn't possible. What is the next best thing? Killing the person who started it of course. To the person talking about the Viking scenario, that is completely different situation. The person starting the fire isn't in there with you to fight, and waking up from a deep sleep to fires being everywhere is vastly different from watching as the fire starts with all of your senses alert already and being able to react instantly to the situation. The Khals are unarmed and Dany is standing in the middle of the fire you guys are criticizing them for being so scared of. I don't see how you expect them to run through it to get to her (not like she couldn't just knock over another brazier if they tried to find a way to her, she had plenty left standing remember). | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5936 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6518 Posts
On May 19 2016 04:17 Wuster wrote: The Khals are unarmed and Dany is standing in the middle of the fire you guys are criticizing them for being so scared of. I don't see how you expect them to run through it to get to her (not like she couldn't just knock over another brazier if they tried to find a way to her, she had plenty left standing remember). She had already pushed over the two nearest to them, she had I think 2 more behind her. People jump over fire all the time, granted not as big but me and friends jumped over pretty big camp fires all the damn time when we were young and stupid. It's inconceivable to me that the toughest of all the Dothraki wouldn't at least make an attempt at killing her, and would just die doing nothing. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 19 2016 05:03 crms wrote: Using an analogy of jumping over campfires with friends for fun and coping with the realization and panic that you're about to be burned alive. Stay free internets. But you see, because they are fighters and stuff, they should have leaped over the flames to kill the woman who cannot be burned. Because being brave means that you are not afraid of anything, including being burned alive. Never mind that they are a superstitious nomadic horse lords who likely can’t read and have shown a previous fear of magic in all forms. But let the debate continue about if wolverine could beat spiderman in a fight…I mean, if that scene was realistic. | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
not *all* scenes have to be completely logical and follow the most rational explanation, a sequence (in my opinion) has to be plausible, not necessarily 100% the most optimal path.. Is the scene with Daenaris and the Khals plausible? Imho yes, it is, they are trying to escape and confronting a seemingly "magic" phenomenon, it's *not unlikely* that they could react like that.. It seems a lots of critiques comes from expecting the most optimal and most rational sequence of actions from every character and every situation.. I don't think that's what should be portrayed by the show: as long as the sequences are plausible and they build a cool story, I'm fine  (i.e. I dislike most of the Dorn parts and I found some inconsistencies bothering, but I fully enjoyed the last episode - even if I don't know what is the rational explanation of Theon's return [I mean, he is alive, where should he go? should he die just because his "arc" doesn't make too much sense anymore?  poor Theon] of if the Kahls' reaction wasn't the best course of action in the situation ) | ||
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