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Just saw the latest episode, loved it, they are getting better and better as they go on, I really liked to Cercei/Robert scene because they talked like actually people would talk, not how people on tv talk, credit to the screenwriters for that one.
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AWWW CMON NOW WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU LITTLE BLOND PRICK.
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I must admit I'm a bit annoyed about Renly/Loras. I finished book 1 before the series started and am 200 pages into Clash of Kings. Had no idea about them, but since the series decides to mess up the chronology - Now I do!
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On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:
I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
ugh, your point is? it's not a fantasy world because it doesn't have magicians, dwarfes or the guys with the long ears who are good at shooting with bows?
it's a fantasy setting, but focuses on the power struggle and intrigues between the major houses and less on dragons and magic, which are things that exist in this world and may or may not come in to play at some point.
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On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world "
Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point.
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My favorite series that is going on atm. Amazing show.
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I like the show, it's just too much sex... sick stuff in every episode.
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Hehe, I guess it would have been too dangerous to have a horse fall on Eddard. It also helped with Jaime's character development, they way he struck the soldier that stabbed his leg.
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On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point.
By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection?
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On May 17 2011 07:15 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point. By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection?
Are you here to discuss things or just trying to be witty?
Like others said the setting is not "high fantasy", but there are more fantasy elements coming along the way. While the political play could've taken place anywhere, it's not the only thing the series has going on for it. I don't really understand why you think fantasy needs to have all the cliches present to make it relevant.
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I'm also not too fond of the little touches they added this episode. To show Sean Bean's badassery with the fight. At least it showed Jaime's honour a bit. I don't like the actor for Cersei. She doesn't look the part, neither evil nor a beautiful Queen. Sansa's lines seem a bit forced, but that's probably because her role was supposed to be younger. Also didn't enjoy Theon's scene or Renly's scene. Shouldn't add too many special touches, but I suppose they had Martin's permission first.
Special effects and fighting don't look the best either, but it's probably hard to get good swordfighters who look the part and can act.
Pretty good episode for how much that happened. Loras' helmet looked terrible though, and he's not the best looking. Jaime is not so bad. + Show Spoiler +But Lance? Lannister (Robert's new squire) looks nothing like Jaime. So weird.
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On May 17 2011 07:15 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point. By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection? I meant the general role of fantastical elements in the societies, not how they happen to be talked about in single scenes in the TV series. Please, stop trolling.
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On May 17 2011 07:15 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point. By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection?
i mean, its not primarily a fantasy story, as already mentioned. but ignoring that, you've already seen the bright blue eyed bony fellows in the first episode that killed the rangers, direwolves, dragon eggs, nine year long summers, and to me, the most exciting part of the whole novel, winter is coming.
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On May 17 2011 07:21 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 07:15 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point. By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection? Are you here to discuss things or just trying to be witty? Like others said the setting is not "high fantasy", but there are more fantasy elements coming along the way. While the political play could've taken place anywhere, it's not the only thing the series has going on for it. I don't really understand why you think fantasy needs to have all the cliches present to make it relevant.
I'm just saying they're not taking advantage of what's available to fully develop the setting or make things a bit more interesting. They talk about it, but they don't show it. I have said I'm not looking for fantasy cliches(elves and shit), but if it's a set in a fantasy world. They should show it.
On May 17 2011 07:32 Gene wrote:
i mean, its not primarily a fantasy story, as already mentioned. but ignoring that, you've already seen the bright blue eyed bony fellows in the first episode that killed the rangers, direwolves, dragon eggs, nine year long summers, and to me, the most exciting part of the whole novel, winter is coming.
I saw what I assumed was a white walker for 5 second ( I don't even know what they even are). 1 dead direwolf and a bunch of puppies, Yawn. Stone Dragon eggs so not like that's very intriguing, and of course the nine year long summer isn't something that's been shown to me, it's something I've only been told about in no way shape or form does the upcoming winter loom over everything like it would have to in order for me to see that this summer winter thing was a real concern.
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On May 17 2011 07:46 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 07:21 Bagi wrote:On May 17 2011 07:15 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 07:00 Dystisis wrote:On May 17 2011 06:47 Fraidnot wrote:On May 17 2011 06:21 -Frog- wrote:On May 17 2011 06:12 Fraidnot wrote:I really don't understand why the story takes place in a fantasy world. We're told that there were dragons that their are shadow cats and people who can change their faces, but we never actually get to see any of that. The one exception is the dire-wolves and honestly they might as well just be regular wolves it would change nothing. Maybe later it'll come into play, but for right now it's a cocktease.
The series never claimed to be high fantasy. What is your complaint here? That some fantasy elements have been hinted at and may or may not be realized? What's wrong if it's a cocktease? The wonder and attraction of fantasy is lost if you're hit with it all at once and right away. All at once? Just some would be better then none. I'm not asking for elves and shit, but something more then the occasional blurb that serves only as a: "oh! we've been talking about something not directly relevant to the plot for fifteen minutes, better mention dragons before the audience forgets that this is a fantasy world " Uh, this series is part of a book series thousands of pages long. The series is set in a fantasy world but that does not necessitate that the story is primarily about dragons or magic or whatever. When fantasy elements are used they are used to further the intrigue and the plot, not to masturbate over superficial fantasy clichés. There is an intentional use of realism in the books, even in how the fantasy elements are described, which helps readers understand the motivations and situations of the people. In other words, I think you miss the point. By further the intrigue and plot you mean like using dragon names to emphasis an erection? Are you here to discuss things or just trying to be witty? Like others said the setting is not "high fantasy", but there are more fantasy elements coming along the way. While the political play could've taken place anywhere, it's not the only thing the series has going on for it. I don't really understand why you think fantasy needs to have all the cliches present to make it relevant. I'm just saying they're not taking advantage of what's available to fully develop the setting or make things a bit more interesting. They talk about it, but they don't show it. I have said I'm not looking for fantasy cliches(elves and shit), but if it's a set in a fantasy world. They should show it.
Um, maybe you should read the books. There aren't changing anything. This is how it is in the books. If they started adding weird twists then it's not GoT. Give it time, fantasy elements do appear
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Really nice series, i'm happy i found something to replace the canceled ones i was following. I hope people in the us will follow them on tv as much as possible, i'd hate to see even more cancellations.
The story is a little complex and intricated for a tv series, but until now it has been well done and easy to follow. I wonder if any of those dragon eggs will ever hatch, i haven't read the books but i see a few characters being prepared for their future role, and considering how long the story is, it makes sense for the books, and is good for a tv series, characters growing up and evolving is always interesting.
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It is NOT a high fantasy setting, if you want high fantasy go read forgotton realms or dragonlance.
I much prefer this style of world.
I really enjoyed how I doubted magic existed, as people ought to in-setting whenever it was mentioned in the books.
I think it was in book 3, there's a character you hear about doing magic (won't go into spoiler details) and I just flat out believed it was characters exaggerating, or some kind of trickery, which really brought me more into the world then simply accepting that fireballs and such are commonplace.
The new 25 minute behind the scenes was amazing. Right now I'm reading the book, but purposefully staying behind the episodes as they come out. That way, I watch and remember from 8+ years ago when I read it, but don't pick apart what they included or didn't include. Then in the next week, I read the book and get the full force of the story again.
IMDB has it rated at 9.5, one of their highest rated TV shows, and I think it deserves that!
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On May 17 2011 06:57 annYeong(o11) wrote:
Just saw the latest episode, loved it, they are getting better and better as they go on, I really liked to Cercei/Robert scene because they talked like actually people would talk, not how people on tv talk, credit to the screenwriters for that one.
I agree, the book also managed to get this across, George RR martin does an incredible job of making the characters real people instead of just one or two dimensional caricature.
As the actor who plays tyrion says, you think you have chracters all figured out as to their role in the story, and you continually learn there's more and more depth to them.
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I have to say I didn't like the Jaime vs NEd fight scene. While reading the book, I feared Ned died right there, and you don't get to read about him until a couple of chapters afterwards. In the series, you already know nothing happened to him.
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